Anyone Know Of A Strategy For Online Casinos?

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Hi everyone,

I'm new to the boards though I've been playing for some months on online casinos.

I'm Dan, and I'm new to strategies really having just used the Martingale system on online roulette, which I've just discovered is a bad system, apparently very bad lol. I'm upto 1500 after a deposit of 40 playing 0.10 as a starting bet and doubling my money, takes me ages and I've lost my nerve and was wanting to find an alternate system.

I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good strategy/system if there is any? Is there a system which will help you win more than you lose?

I've just tried a system from WizardOfOdds.com on blackjack but I kept losing and excuse me if I sound like a newbie and really ignorant but I wasn't sure if there were any strategies to help you win rather than lose, so i thought I'd ask the community here to see if I can get any sound advice.

I took a websites bad advise and got a welcome bonus at Vegas Red and now I have to wager 2400 to be able to cash out so I'm just looking for a way to get there without blowing like I might on the Martingale system.

Thanks a lot for reading, and I apologise if this question has been asked a million times before, I'm new to the boards,

Dan
 
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You mentioned you used a blackjack "system" that you saw on Wizard of Odds. Do you mean playing with optimal basic strategy? This is not a system to win over time, as the games have a built in house edge. Nevertheless, choosing a low house edge game and playing with optimal strategy is certainly a good way to minimize losses. If you claim a bonus and use optimal strategy, it may be enough to give you an edge, depending on the bonus terms.
 

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Hi aka23,

thanks for your reply, I appreciate that.

I really am new to strategies, having just used one over a period of time. What would you suggest as a low house edge game and optimal strategy? I really don't know much about this and if you have a link or anything I'd be interested to have a read.

The only thing is I'm looking for something relatively simple as I'm not too good at following complex strategies. The blackjack system I used was the 'best possible strategy' version, and I followed it ok.

All I'm looking to do is pay off my wagering requirements, I have 1500 so far and need to get to 2400 to pay it off, so obviously I know no system is full proof, but I just need something to help me along.

Any info is appreciated,

thanks,

Dan
 

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You mentioned you were playing at Vegas Red. I believe Vegas Red increased their SUB wagering to 100x40 = 4000, rather than 2400. In any case, the lowest house edge (per wager) alternative is casino hold'em since wagering is tripled if you play BJ. I believe I was the first person to put up an optimal strategy calc for casino hold'em, which is on my site, along with a simplified set of strategy rules.
 

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Hi Dan

Welcome to the forum. Just wanted to make sure you were au fait with the Vegas Red bonus terms re. Blackjack & Roulette. If you are, no problem, but if not then you need to be as you'll see:

Bets placed on all versions of Baccarat, all versions of Roulette, all versions of Sic Bo, all versions of Darts, Heads or Tails, all Video Poker games, Blackjack Switch, Blackjack Surrender, Pontoon, and Craps will not be counted toward wagering requirements. We reserve the right to withhold any amount in excess of the players original deposit from a player's withdrawal if the play bonus is wagered on the above mentioned games. Bets placed on Blackjack, Blackjack Live, Progressive Blackjack and 21 Duel Blackjack contribute one third of their original value towards wagering requirements. In other words, the sum of the bets placed on this game is divided by three when calculating wagering. Bets, placed on any game, which abuse the betting system will not be counted towards the wagering requirements..

Cheers and GL

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On way to win more money then you lose in the long run is to play with a bonus and bet aggressive especially if you play with a phantom bonus like the bonus from Vegas Red.

For example: You deposit 20 and receive 20 bonus, total balance is 40. Now you can bet at a Playtech casino like Vegas Red in the game Spin A Win 4 numbers 10 then your chance to win is 1:6. If you win your balance will be 234 then make smaller bets to get through the wagering requirement without too much risk. With a wagering requirement of 8x(deposit+bonus) and a game like Spin A Win with a house edge of 2,6% (on the numbers) you will lose on average 7.29 and before withdraw your balance will be reduced by the bonus amount of 20. So your total withdraw will be 234 - 7.29 - 20 = 206.71 which is more then 10 times your deposit (remember you had a chance to win of 1:6, i.e. your expected return here is 172%).

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If you're not afraid of losing, a good way to get out of the wagering requirement is to bet aggressively early, either going for a big win or go bust trying. If you make the big win then grind out required play more conservatively. However, that isn't what you were asking. The probability of turning $400 into $5,900 ($5,500 in winnings), assuming no house edge, is 400/5,900 = 6.78%. Of course there usually is a house edge but if you're smart you can keep it very low. So 6.78% would be an upper bound on the probability.

My advice is to try to achieve a very large win or go bust trying. The greater your winning goal is, up to a point, the greater your expected return. Personally I would try to get to about $2000. It is paradoxical but the only way to realize the value of the bonus is to lose everything. So you want a high probability of ruin. Hopefully that won't happen and you will have a very nice windfall.
 

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On way to win more money then you lose in the long run is to play with a bonus and bet aggressive especially if you play with a phantom bonus like the bonus from Vegas Red.

For example: You deposit 20 and receive 20 bonus, total balance is 40. Now you can bet at a Playtech casino like Vegas Red in the game Spin A Win 4 numbers 10 then your chance to win is 1:6. If you win your balance will be 234 then make smaller bets to get through the wagering requirement without too much risk. With a wagering requirement of 8x(deposit+bonus) and a game like Spin A Win with a house edge of 2,6% (on the numbers) you will lose on average 7.29 and before withdraw your balance will be reduced by the bonus amount of 20. So your total withdraw will be 234 - 7.29 - 20 = 206.71 which is more then 10 times your deposit (remember you had a chance to win of 1:6, i.e. your expected return here is 172%).

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Hi Markus,

thanks for the input, I've just tried betting aggressively with 1500 on roulette at Vegas Red, putting up 50 bets, I was down to around 200 at one point lol, very nerve racking but somehow I managed to get upto my previous balance, and win a hundred, so I'm at 1645 now. I was very lucky.

Basically, I'm playing on roulette and my plan was to get to 2000 then stop, as the Martingale system isn't great and it takes so long with starting bets of 0.10p. If I get to 2K I would need to win 6 times out of 30 playing a game which counted towards my wagering requirements, then I could cash out any winnings.

You suggest 'spin a wheel', could you tell me how to play this game, I'm not sure how it works.

I really appreciate the input, and anyone else with a strategy that I can use on a game which counts towards my wagering requirements would be really handy. I'm still getting to grips with this whole thing so I appreciate the advice.
 

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You've been playing roulette? As Simmo quoted, seems that's an excluded game....Best to contact support before you go any further, if that's the case.
 

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You've been playing roulette? As Simmo quoted, seems that's an excluded game....Best to contact support before you go any further, if that's the case.
Yes, the terms say that they may "withhold any amount in excess of the players original deposit from a player's withdrawal" if roulette is played, so there is a potential for problems. In any case, you can make aggressive bets on any game -- not just roulette or Spin A Win.
 

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As KMAY87 said, roulette is a excluded game! If you play roulette with a bonus at Vegas Red you risk that your winings will be voided! Furthermore it doesn't count to the wagering requirements so you still have to wager the full sum as at the beginning if you didn't played any other game yet. So don't play roulette while having a bonus at Playtech casino like Vegas Red. If you want to play roulette with a bonus play in a Microgaming casino. Microgaming casinos I recommend for that are 32Red Group (32 Red Casino, Dash Casino) and the Jackpot Factory Group (All Jackpots Casino, Wild Jack, First Web Casino, All Slots Casino).

thanks for the input, I've just tried betting aggressively with 1500 on roulette at Vegas Red, putting up 50 bets, I was down to around 200 at one point lol, very nerve racking but somehow I managed to get upto my previous balance, and win a hundred, so I'm at 1645 now. I was very lucky.
This wasn't what I mean with betting aggressive. You don't have a expected return > 100% if you make 50 bets while having a bankroll of 1500. As the Wizard Of Odds said "you want a high probability of ruin", basically this means you have to bet your complete bankroll. So instead of making big deposits like 1500 you should make smaller deposits (in exchange more often whenever you get a good bonus offer) and then make one single aggressive (= high risk and high profit) bet with your deposit+bonus. This is the only way to win more money then lose in online casinos in the long run.

Basically, I'm playing on roulette and my plan was to get to 2000 then stop, as the Martingale system isn't great and it takes so long with starting bets of 0.10p. If I get to 2K I would need to win 6 times out of 30 playing a game which counted towards my wagering requirements, then I could cash out any winnings.
Don't use the Martingale system, it don't work. Trust me you will lose more money then you win in the long run if you use the Martingale system.
This is what the Wizard Of Odds says about Martingale system and other betting systems:
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You suggest 'spin a wheel', could you tell me how to play this game, I'm not sure how it works.
Spin A Win is much like roulette but you have 24 numbers instead of 37. You can bet on these numbers just like on the numbers in roulette. The house edge is 2,6% on the numbers which is slightly smaller then the house edge of roullete (2,7%). There are also some other bets like betting on a color but you should not do that because the house edge is in most cases a little bit bigger then 2,6% so you should only bet on the numbers.
The big advantage of Spin A Win compared to Roulette is that this is a allowed game, so you don't have to fear that your winnings will be voided and it counts to the wagering requirement. The disadvantage is that you can only bet pre-set amounts like 10.00, 15.00, 20.00, 25.00, 50.00, ..., so you have to calculate your deposit amount before making a deposit if you want to bet your complete bankroll.
 

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It's a tough one to call. Bringing it to their attention might warrant removal of the bonus - but it's a sticky so wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. If they tried to remove all winnings generated too, you could argue that - provided all bets made were using cash and not the bonus - the bonus wasn't used and thus roulette wasn't an excluded game as the bonus hadn't been used.

Or just not saying anything at all is another option. But if they audit accounts before paying out, it's bound to appear.

As aka said, there are plenty of ways to bet aggressive on allowed games. Personally, I'd probably have gone with the 30x d+b with blackjack counting 1/3, attempting to double if not quadruple your balance before grinding the rest out at minimum stakes. Playing perfect strategy blackjack will result in a very small HE, and over a small WR the chances are even better.

Still, with any sticky bonus, you run the risk of busting out before you have even started. The Martingale system is NOT the way to do things. I used it once upon a time, and like you, thought it wasn't too bad. But before you know it, you're staking 100s with the potential to only win a fiver or so. As soon as you reach table limits, which really isn't that hard, that system will cripple you. Take it from me. Aka's site is great for comparing HE and also deciding on bonuses to take, I'd definitely give it a look as it was a big help to me when I was chasing bonuses.

I'd be interested in knowing if they pay once you meet the WR.
 

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Thanks guys, you've really helped me out here.

And I didn't know it was forbidden to play an unallowed game with the deposit and bonus.

I've just contacted customer support about it, and just said I've made a mistake what shall I do, and they've told me that I can still play on other games that allow the wagering requirements, and I can also make a withdrawl.

Phew, that was lucky, I thought I'd seriously messed up then! God, this is what its like being a complete newbie to online casions, always read the terms and conditions lol.

Right, as I'm allowed to wager from now on I have to switch to another game, and as spin a wheel seems to be advised, I'll switch to that, hoping I win back enough from my 1645. Here goes. I'll let you all know how I've done, and thanks again for your input, it has been really helpful, and I sure didn't know I was running the risk of not being able to withdraw at all!

The Martingale system is stupid I do realise and I was losing my nerve on it anyway, so glad to stop using it.

Would it be ok to play on even and odd numbers on spin a wheel? I'm not sure how to play it yet. It seems very crazy to place a bet on a number and hope it comes up, whereas going for even or odd numbers you stand a better chance of winning.

P.S. Yes, I certainly got it wrong about betting aggressively with roulette, I know realise that that only works for paying off your wagering requirements.

Thanks guys, you've helped a lot.

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Would it be ok to play on even and odd numbers on spin a wheel? I'm not sure how to play it yet. It seems very crazy to place a bet on a number and hope it comes up, whereas going for even or odd numbers you stand a better chance of winning.
No, don't bet on even or odd this has a house edge of 5%, you will probably lose a lot of money if you met the wagering requirement on this way! But you can bet on multiple numbers. If I'm going to meet the wagering requirement I always bet on 22 or 23 of 24 numbers so I will win almost every spin a little bit and lose money very unfrequent this way I can met the wagering requirement quick and safe and it does not count as a "even bet" which some casinos don't like.
 

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Well I think a thumbs up is in order for the casino. Very few would probably have allowed that. What did they let you withdraw and what wager requirement have you got left?

As you stated, always read the ts and cs before playing. You'll find virtually all are likely to omit roulette, craps, blackjack, some forms of poker, and others, so check these before depositing. It wouldn't be good to deposit, be given a bonus only to find you had to meet some awful wagering on house-friendly games. Such as slots-only.

I've heard of, but never played this spin-a-win game. Suppose it comes down to your own choice. Best to check your balance before doing it though, it wouldn't be good to bust out now. Personally, I'd still choose blackjack. 3x more wagering, but a distinctly lower HE where you can choose between tiny or huge stakes and it doesn't take a lot to master basic strategy.
 

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No, don't bet on even or odd this has a house edge of 5%, you will probably lose a lot of money if you met the wagering requirement on this way! But you can bet on multiple numbers. If I'm going to meet the wagering requirement I always bet on 22 or 23 of 24 numbers so I will win almost every spin a little bit and lose money very unfrequent this way I can met the wagering requirement quick and safe and it does not count as a "even bet" which some casinos don't like.

Not really a safe game to play though with a sticky bonus is it :what: You'd only have to lose a couple of spins and it would be pretty difficult to catch up and make anything worthwhile.
 

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Not really a safe game to play though with a sticky bonus is it :what: You'd only have to lose a couple of spins and it would be pretty difficult to catch up and make anything worthwhile.
Yes, if he meet the wagering requirement in this way he will in all probability lose some money but at least he will not get bust. Making risky bets wouldn't be with such a big bankroll wise either, at least not for me, maybe he have enough money and 1645 isn't very much for him. I would never deposit so much money. So my strategy would be here: To make the best of a bad job.
But of course he has to decide how to play.
 

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If I don't play the spin a wheel, then I could play Blackjack, I've got to grips with the best possible strategy on Wizard of Odds, though, as I previously said, I did lose more than I won.

Basically, I'm looking to obviously lose more than I win so I don't need a great strategy, just something that will give me an ok edge.

I haven't withdrawn from the Casino yet, as I haven't paid off my WR, but they said that I'm allowed to play on any games that allow WR, with the money that I've already won on roulette. I explained what I've done, and they said I could carry on playing, but as I said, I haven't withdrawn yet.

Just to clarify, if I'm using spin a wheel, the thing to do is be 22 to 23 of the numbers and win back a little, not losing often?

I haven't started playing yet, still thinking of alternate means of playing, so thanks for the input guys, it is appreciated.

P.S. I didn't deposit 1645, I deposited 40 and got a 40 bonus, I won the amount playing roulette and wanted to get to 2K so I could wager it all on the WR. Sorry, just to clarify.

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P.S. I didn't deposit 1645, I deposited 40 and got a 40 bonus, I won the amount playing roulette and wanted to get to 2K so I could wager it all on the WR. Sorry, just to clarify.
That's great! Then you will only lose a few pound because 30x(40+40) isn't very much.
You can do this: Bet on 23 numbers 1 then you will need only 105 Spins and you will only lose on average 62.79. If you disable the animation you will only need a couple of minutes for that.
 

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Markus - Dan only deposited 40. Presuming (as I can't remember) that it was 100% match, so he's got an 80 balance. WR is 30x (d+b) so 2400. Again, this bit is guesswork as I don't know the payouts for spin-a-win. Correct me if I'm wrong. You bet on all bar one number, and that number comes up first spin. Unlikely, you might say, but I've seen it happen before on roulette. So on that principle, you are already x amount down, and need to make up at least that deficit because the bonus will be removed. Over a 2400 wager, I'm no stats man, but the number you don't bet on is likely to crop up a few times. Add to that, if the bonus terms require you to withdraw an amount higher than your deposit and bonus, this could cause some problems.

As I said, I've never played it, so perhaps you can explain - in European roulette, the payout is 36/1. Of course there's 37 numbers. So if I bet on 36 of them, as in your case, 23 out of 24, and win, I get 36 + 1 back. I've staked 36 to win a single pound. And I could lose. Is this how this game pays? If so, sounds a hell of a lot like the Martingale system once again.

Dan - are you saying you have a 1645 balance with the WR being based on the initial deposit? Or are they classing your balance as the bonus and the WR is based on that? Casino hold-em, as aka suggested, is a good bet if you have a big balance and only a small WR to make. There's a good opportunity to make that withdrawable if you, as terrible as this pun is, play your cards right :D


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Markus - Dan only deposited 40. Presuming (as I can't remember) that it was 100% match, so he's got an 80 balance. WR is 30x (d+b) so 2400. Again, this bit is guesswork as I don't know the payouts for spin-a-win. Correct me if I'm wrong. You bet on all bar one number, and that number comes up first spin. Unlikely, you might say, but I've seen it happen before on roulette. So on that principle, you are already x amount down, and need to make up at least that deficit because the bonus will be removed. Over a 2400 wager, I'm no stats man, but the number you don't bet on is likely to crop up a few times. Add to that, if the bonus terms require you to withdraw an amount higher than your deposit and bonus, this could cause some problems.
He don't bet his complete bankroll on that 23 numbers, but for example 23 (1 per number), so it doesn't hurt very much if the one number without the bet come every now and then. The house edge never chance, on average he will always lose the same, so for the house edge it doesn't matter on how many numbers he bet. But its much saver to bet 23 on 23 numbers instead on 1 because the variance is much smaller.

As I said, I've never played it, so perhaps you can explain - in European roulette, the payout is 36/1. Of course there's 37 numbers. So if I bet on 36 of them, as in your case, 23 out of 24, and win, I get 36 + 1 back. I've staked 36 to win a single pound. And I could lose. Is this how this game pays? If so, sounds a hell of a lot like the Martingale system once again.
One number pays 23.4X so if he bets 23 on 23 numbers he will win in 23 of 24 cases 0.40 and he will lose in 1 of 24 cases 23.
 

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That's great! Then you will only lose a few pound because 30x(40+40) isn't very much.
You can do this: Bet on 23 numbers 1 then you will need only 105 Spins and you will only lose on average 62.79. If you disable the animation you will only need a couple of minutes for that.

Hi Markus, and thanks for the input so far, its very interesting, and new to me, I thought I'd clarify what I'd done so there wasn't any confusion. The 30 x d + b is 2400 I have to make up, basically I need to wager.

Thanks for your clarification of how to play spin a wheel, at the moment it sounds like a good chance, and I'm just looking at how to play it at the moment.

Dan - are you saying you have a 1645 balance with the WR being based on the initial deposit? Or are they classing your balance as the bonus and the WR is based on that? Casino hold-em, as aka suggested, is a good bet if you have a big balance and only a small WR to make. There's a good opportunity to make that withdrawable if you, as terrible as this pun is, play your cards right :D


Edit - seems he beat me to it :)

Hi KMAY87, I'm sorry if I've been confusing in explaining what I've done. Basically, yes, I deposited 40 and then got a %100 bonus, making it 80. Then, I went onto play roulette and won 1645, and I've just contacted the customer support at the casino and asked if I can still play games to pay off my d + b and they said I was allowed to, so my winnings so far won't be confiscated on withdrawl. Hence, I need to wager 2400 but I'm only upto 1645 which I can lose. I was wanting to get to 2K so I only had to win 10 times while losing the lot. Does that make things easier to understand? I'm sorry, I really am new to the terms and what means what.

Could you do me a big favour and expand on how to play Casino Hold 'em if you think it would be a good idea to play it? I've only played roulette and blackjack, and would be interested in trying out other games, I just need something easyish to understand.

As it stands, I'm considering just trying my luck on spin a wheel, and if I lose, well, then I lose, but atleast I had a good go and the odds sound quite good from what Markus was saying, if I bet 1 on each number.

Thanks again guys, I appreciate your time in dealing with an idiot like me lol.

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He don't bet his complete bankroll on that 23 numbers, but for example 23 (1 per number), so it doesn't hurt very much if the one number without the bet come every now and then. The house edge never chance, on average he will always lose the same, so for the house edge it doesn't matter on how many numbers he bet. But its much saver to bet 23 on 23 numbers instead on 1 because the variance is much smaller.


One number pays 23.4X so if he bets 23 on 23 numbers he will win in 23 of 24 cases 0.40 and he will lose in 1 of 24 cases 23.

Ok, I get the idea thanks. Still, to me anyway, staking 23 with the potential of only winning .40p sounds crazy. Will be interesting to hear what some of the other members think of it. I like the idea, it's a good way to get around the WR, just not sure it's a good strategy to play with a sticky bonus.

Dan - thanks for clarifying that. Sounds like you're on to a winner there. Obviously, all players differ, and if you decide on that spin-a-win, then fair enough. I hope it turns out ok for you. However, if it was me, I'd do 50 hands of blackjack. WR would be 7200, so a maximum of 144 hands. Not all that many really. Play the strategy perfect, and you really should have at least 1000 left over, potentially far, far more. Of course, if you get a bad run, you could quite easily lose 20 hands in a row, so it comes down to you eventually.

If you haven't played hold-em before, I wouldn't say now is the time to start. Not at these stakes anyway. Again, if it was me, I'd be tempted to throw down 20 bets (with only the 2400 to wager) but it's a game you really need to understand inside out before you play.

If you're interested, check out aka's website Beating Bonuses. He's got a whole section devoted to the game.

Let us know how you get on
 

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Ok, I get the idea thanks. Still, to me anyway, staking 23 with the potential of only winning .40p sounds crazy. Will be interesting to hear what some of the other members think of it. I like the idea, it's a good way to get around the WR, just not sure it's a good strategy to play with a sticky bonus.
I have done this strategy a lot (at least 50 times) and it always worked very well for me. In a Playtech casino I believe this is the safest and quickest methode to get around the WR. In my experience the worst thing what can happen him in this case is that he lose around 300 if he is very unlucky. But if he is very lucky he can also win up to 30.

However, if it was me, I'd do 50 hands of blackjack. WR would be 7200, so a maximum of 144 hands.
IMHO 50 per hand is way too risky. I would only bet 5 per hand but this would take a very long time therefore I would only do it with a blackjack bot. But I'm not sure if Vegas Red allows this.
 

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As I said earlier, everyone's different when it comes to gambling. You see players on here doing 100+ spins on slot machines. And usually winning 10s of s. My income means I could afford it, but there's no way in the world I ever would. Likewise here, you're happy to risk 23 to win .40p, whereas I wouldn't, partly because I don't like the small possibility of losing everything, and partly because, for me, 40p off a wager of 23 is shocking. If this was me on slots, anything less than 2x my bet I'd be annoyed at.

But, if it works for you, fair enough, let's hope it continues. My reasons for suggesting Dan tries something else stems from my first times on these forums. I came on, and basically believed anything anyone told me on this forum. Not that I'm claiming to be a Casinomeister stalwart or anything, hence why I'm surprised no-one else has commented on this.

Have to say though, AWFUL suggestion with the bot. Last thing you'd want to do is advocate the use of those. Quick way of getting banned from casinos those are. And all they do is play optimal strategy blackjack, as you and me can do manually, but quicker. Sure, you could play 5 a hand. Hell, 1 a hand for that matter. But with a balance of 1600+, a fiver a go will take a long time when the opportunity to play higher is there. Chances of busting out are probably around the 25% range, not sure without checking it out, so once again, it depends on the individual.
 

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I have done this strategy a lot (at least 50 times) and it always worked very well for me. In a Playtech casino I believe this is the safest and quickest methode to get around the WR. In my experience the worst thing what can happen him in this case is that he lose around 300 if he is very unlucky. But if he is very lucky he can also win up to 30.

IMHO 50 per hand is way too risky. I would only bet 5 per hand but this would take a very long time therefore I would only do it with a blackjack bot. But I'm not sure if Vegas Red allows this.

What attracts me to using spin a wheel is that all I want to do is break even, even lose some, but not go bust in doing so. What I'm bearing in mind is that every time I bet 23 is that it is counting towards my WR, so 4 spins and I've paid off roughly 1 WR, which is what I was looking for. I'm not interested in winning, so winning 0.40p is ok, as all I'm trying to achieve is pay my WR off.

As I said earlier, everyone's different when it comes to gambling. You see players on here doing 100+ spins on slot machines. And usually winning 10s of s. My income means I could afford it, but there's no way in the world I ever would. Likewise here, you're happy to risk 23 to win .40p, whereas I wouldn't, partly because I don't like the small possibility of losing everything, and partly because, for me, 40p off a wager of 23 is shocking. If this was me on slots, anything less than 2x my bet I'd be annoyed at.

But, if it works for you, fair enough, let's hope it continues. My reasons for suggesting Dan tries something else stems from my first times on these forums. I came on, and basically believed anything anyone told me on this forum. Not that I'm claiming to be a Casinomeister stalwart or anything, hence why I'm surprised no-one else has commented on this.

At this point I'm open to suggestions, and I hope I wouldn't believe everything I hear, I'm just trying to look at the numbers and see if they add up and what I can lose/win roughly with what I've got.

If anyone wants to chime in it would be interesting to hear opinions, I'm new to this so just looking around for ideas. For instance, I didn't know the Martingale system was a bad strategy until after playing with free money at 1 a starting bet, 12 runs was not rare, and I lost lol.

I'd like to try Blackjack, although when playing with the best possible strategy I was losing a lot, which makes me worry I'd get a few bad runs with 50 hands and I'd lose a lot. That's all I'm thinking about right now, but then again, I haven't tried it a lot, only on free play.

Have to say though, AWFUL suggestion with the bot. Last thing you'd want to do is advocate the use of those. Quick way of getting banned from casinos those are. And all they do is play optimal strategy blackjack, as you and me can do manually, but quicker. Sure, you could play 5 a hand. Hell, 1 a hand for that matter. But with a balance of 1600+, a fiver a go will take a long time when the opportunity to play higher is there. Chances of busting out are probably around the 25% range, not sure without checking it out, so once again, it depends on the individual.

I haven't heard about 'bots' but is this cheating? I'm not interested in cheating, just playing with a sytem, rather than just playing for luck, but then again, I don't know much about online casinos and playing.

Thanks again guys, its interesting to hear your opinions,

Dan
 
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