Anyone hit a RJ at Rushmore?

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

KK was just having fun with him and his play on words

silly me
i think i am a bit confused by his(?) avatar that looks like reda's.

 

[jimb123]

Random Jackpots at RTG Inetbet

Heya,

The RTG random jackpots actually work slightly diifferently to what you've indicated.

The system you describe is used when there is a range-based jackpot (similar to many used in Australian clubs), where the jackpot must go off within certain boundaries (e.g.: Between $1000 and $10000).
In those sorts of jackpots the next trigger level is randomly determined at the time that the jackpot resets (e.g.: next trigger will be at $5673.28)
As you describe, in range-based jackpots the bet that contributes the 1c that would take the jackpot to its pre-determined trigger amount will win the jackpot.

RTG random jackpots, however, are not range-based jackpots.

They are truly random, in that there is simply a chance of 1 in (n) of triggering the jackpot, checked at the end of a given paid game (i.e.: It does not check for a trigger at the end of each game during a free game series, but rather at the end of all events that have triggered from the original bet).

The chance is proportionately modified according to the size of the player's bet, so a player betting $10, for instance, will have 10 times the chance of triggering the random jackpot in comparison to a player betting $1, and 1000 times the chance of triggering versus a player betting 1c.

Hope it helps

Woooof

Just sent you a PM... Inetbet CSR support told me that "Dogboy" has already stated that bet size has no influence on odds of hitting RJ. So someone betting 1c has SAME chance as someone betting $10. So I sent you Private Msg to clarify. thanks!

 

[silcnlayc]

KasinoKing: Is that a new casino?
Only I've never heard of Lucy Red before...

It is a catchy little name isn't tho? When I red it (pun intended), I thought of Lucy in the Sky song...so it could be a contender, couldn't it for a nice little casino with a girl in red in the clouds floating or in an airplane with a red dress on with goggles flying ...geezes..to much bong hits again methinks..

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[jimb123]

Inetbet / RTG / Random Jackpots

I know this is the Rushmore thread.. but since the topic is on how RTG Random Jackpots work... check out this very very confusing email chain with Inetbet CSR James. Note my name also is James not to confuse anyone:

=============email from me to CSR Inetbet "James"
=============================
No James. Re-read my post. I asked if someone betting 1c has the same exact "CHANCE" (not odds) of hitting the Random Jackpot as someone betting $1 or $10. And you said no that no matter what your bet size your "CHANCE" is still the same. You said "chance" not odds.

Now in the email below, you're saying the CHANCE goes up depending on bet size but ODDS stay the same. See the confusion?

It was pretty obvious I was asking whether or not increasing my bet size makes any difference. If not, then someone chasing the Random Jackpot in my mind could just bet 1 line and 1 cent and have the same # of chances. I see people hit the RJ betting 25cents minimum but never seen anyone hit it betting 1 cent. So I was thinking that maybe the more you bet the more chances you have - sort of like a ticket-type drawing.
So now it sounds like you're changing your mind and saying that the CHANCES DO CHANGE. And I quote your original email:

From James CSR:
> your CHANCES are still the same with any denomination, be
> it 10
> > cents or 10
> > dollars.

And this was in reponse to me saying:
> > But does someone
> > betting Max Lines and $1 or $10 total bet size have a
> > greater CHANCE of
> > hitting the Random Jackpot?

Seeee above? No mention of ODDS. Please have a manager review this situation please.

James Bristol


--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Manager <manager@inetbet.com> wrote:

> From: Manager <manager@inetbet.com>
> Subject: Re: Random Jackpots -- wrong info given by Inetbet Support CSR
> To: "J&T" <jimb123@yahoo.com>
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 12:12 PM
> Dear James
> With respect that is not what you asked, you asked does
> increasing the bet size increase your odds of winning and I
> answered it does not, which is still the case.
> What you are now referring to is 'chance', obviously if you
> bet more your chance increases because you are laying out
> more money, however your 'odds' of winning does not
> increase.
> It is the same as a lottery ticket, if you but one or 1
> million your odds of winning are exactly the same, here in
> the UK that is I believe 18 million to one, so the more you
> buy it will improve your chance, however with each ticket
> you have bought your 'odds' will still be 18 million to one,
> you will simply have more goes, so more chances.
> I hope this explains it to you.
> Kind regards
> CSR James
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J&T" <jimb123@yahoo.com>
> To: "Manager" <manager@inetbet.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Random Jackpots -- wrong info given by Inetbet
> Support CSR
>
>
> Actually, I just found this post by Dogboy which
> contradicts what you said below. Bet size DOES affect
> my chances of winning. So while I 'can' win a Random
> Jackpot betting anything, someone betting more money has a
> higher chance. Here's what Dogboy said. So now
> I'm confused. Who do I believe and why is "James in
> support" contradicting Dogboy?
>
> <<< DogBoy001 DogBoy001 is offline
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> Quote:
> Originally Posted by Nifty29 View Post
> The chance of hitting a RJ at any RTG is proportionate to
> your bet size.
>
> Heya,
>
> The RTG random jackpots actually work slightly diifferently
> to what you've indicated.
>
> The system you describe is used when there is a range-based
> jackpot (similar to many used in Australian clubs), where
> the jackpot must go off within certain boundaries (e.g.:
> Between $1000 and $10000).
> In those sorts of jackpots the next trigger level is
> randomly determined at the time that the jackpot resets
> (e.g.: next trigger will be at $5673.28)
> As you describe, in range-based jackpots the bet that
> contributes the 1c that would take the jackpot to its
> pre-determined trigger amount will win the jackpot.
>
> RTG random jackpots, however, are not range-based
> jackpots.
>
> They are truly random, in that there is simply a chance of
> 1 in (n) of triggering the jackpot, checked at the end of a
> given paid game (i.e.: It does not check for a trigger at
> the end of each game during a free game series, but rather
> at the end of all events that have triggered from the
> original bet).
>
> The chance is proportionately modified according to the
> size of the player's bet, so a player betting $10, for
> instance, will have 10 times the chance of triggering the
> random jackpot in comparison to a player betting $1, and
> 1000 times the chance of triggering versus a player betting
> 1c.
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Woooof>>>>
>
> James Bristol
> jimb123@yahoo.com
>
> --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Manager <manager@inetbet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Manager <manager@inetbet.com>
> > Subject: Re: Random Jackpots
> > To: "J&T" <jimb123@yahoo.com>
> > Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 5:02 PM
> > Dear James
> > This has been answered on C/M by 'dogboy' who is one
> of the
> > games
> > programmers and as he states there is no difference
> with
> > the bet size, your
> > chances are still the same with any denomination, be
> it 10
> > cents or 10
> > dollars.
> > I hope this helps.
> > Kind regards
> > CSR James
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "J&T" <jimb123@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Manager" <manager@inetbet.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Random Jackpots
> >
> >
> > There seems to be some debate on CasinoMeister about
> > whether bet size
> > affects PROBABILITY of hitting a Random Jackpot at
> RTG
> > casinos.
> >
> > You mentioned in an earlier post that I could bet 1
> line
> > and 1 cent if I
> > wanted and STILL be eligible for the Random Jackpot.
> > But does someone
> > betting Max Lines and $1 or $10 total bet size have a
> > greater chance of
> > hitting the Random Jackpot?
> >
> >

 

[KasinoKing]

Just sent you a PM... Inetbet CSR support told me that "Dogboy" has already stated that bet size has no influence on odds of hitting RJ. So someone betting 1c has SAME chance as someone betting $10. So I sent you Private Msg to clarify. thanks!

I think you may have mis-understood what Dogboy said...

He definitely said the case is that someone playing a single $10 spin has 10 x more chance of hitting the RJ than someone playing a single $1 spin.
Anything else would not be fair.

KK

 

[jimb123]

KK

I think you may have mis-understood what Dogboy said...

He definitely said the case is that someone playing a single $10 spin has 10 x more chance of hitting the RJ than someone playing a single $1 spin.
Anything else would not be fair.

KK[/QUOTE
=====
You are right KK. Only, its NOT ME that's confused. I got that straight from Inetbet CSR Rep "James". He told me that there is no reason to bet more, you have the same chance and odds of hitting an RJ no matter what your bet size. Here's his followup again.. and notice the funny part when he says basically why do I want a mgr to review all of this... lol ; if you re-read the chain mail starting from the bottom.. you will see first he says "chances" are the same. The he later says "odds" are the same but chances increase. Then he says the chances are the same again. Now he says "odds" are the same. hahahaha ; blimey, this seemed like an easy *ss question. I just wanted to know if it makes sense IF YOU ARE CHASING THE RJ, to bet more $ per spin. And I agree with you KK, it does make sense. A guy betting 1cent per spin should have far less chance than someone betting $1/spin. But that's not what James at Inetbet told me.

From Inetbet:

<<Quoting me (JIMB): There seems to be some debate on CasinoMeister about whether bet size affects PROBABILITY of hitting a Random Jackpot at RTG casinos.
But does someone betting Max Lines and $1 or $10 total bet size have a greater chance of hitting the Random Jackpot?

Inetbet Reply:
This was actually what you asked, when anyone asks this question they are talking about individual bets and does it change their odds of winning and no i am not changing what I said. The odds remain the same no matter what the individual bet size.

I am unsure what you mean by have a manager review the situation, please explain.

 

[jimb123]

By the way

If this is the kind of service I'm gonna get from Inetbet.. back and forth and back and forth with different and confusing answers, I can't wait until I have a real dispute with them.

I'm 90% sure I now want to close my acct and instead use Lock or CherryRed. Anyone want to recommend a good RTG casino where they dont question WHY you want a mgr to review an impasse in communication?

J~

 

[all4greed]

If this is the kind of service I'm gonna get from Inetbet.. back and forth and back and forth with different and confusing answers, I can't wait until I have a real dispute with them.

I'm 90% sure I now want to close my acct and instead use Lock or CherryRed. Anyone want to recommend a good RTG casino where they dont question WHY you want a mgr to review an impasse in communication?

J~

Doesn't surprise me. I emailed a couple days ago asking them if I bet $1 for one spin on a random jackpot slot, how much gets put into the random jackpot.

No response. I don't think they know...

 

[jimb123]

haha

Doesn't surprise me. I emailed a couple days ago asking them if I bet $1 for one spin on a random jackpot slot, how much gets put into the random jackpot.

No response. I don't think they know...

====
I'll pretend I'm with Inetbet support and I'll respond:

"It all just depends All4greed. When you place a $1 bet and spin, we get very excited. When you keep doing it, we get even more excited. The odds of you hitting the jackpot may or may not go up or down. The chances, however, of us keeping that money and possibly adding a little to the RJ now and then increase alot. So we encourage you to bet more and more. We likey!"

Ok in jest of course. I wont knock Inetbet down too hard just for one lousy Rep who doesnt know when to get his boss involved for help, but still. Frustrating. I guess after all these years online, I just expect people to have the right answer the first time -- especially if I know its something that's been asked many times before.

Your question is just as valid as mine and they should know. I would think 0.1% to 1% (generous) of every bet should get added to the RJ but heck its probably lower than that based on how slow these things go up at Inetbet. CherryRed's RJ are massive but also means their logic must be more complex and harder to hit for some reason. You'd think all RTGs would have the same RJ code???

 

[jimb123]

Here's the deal

...I guess I stand corrected.

I know it isnt exactly how it works, but RTG reps have explained it to me in that form before to demonstrate how bigger bets give more chances, with the exception in reality being that the software doesnt pre-determine at what point the jackpot will go off (or so we are told).

Just trying to simplify for those who are new etc.

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All i need is someone to tell me WHICH GAME AND WHEN so I can win the biggest RJ ever and have my name splattered all over CasinoMeister so everyone can start asking me the same questions all day long. And I can tell them what my 'secret' is. And then I'm going on a long vacation -- somewhere with a beach. So please, someone, anyone.. i need a casino name, game name and exact bet size and time to spin. I'm happy to share 20% as a Finders Fee lol

As the girl in Aliens (2) said, "Look man. I just need to know one thing. Where they are!!"

 

[takethemoney]

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All i need is someone to tell me WHICH GAME AND WHEN so I can win the biggest RJ ever and have my name splattered all over CasinoMeister so everyone can start asking me the same questions all day long. And I can tell them what my 'secret' is. And then I'm going on a long vacation -- somewhere with a beach. So please, someone, anyone.. i need a casino name, game name and exact bet size and time to spin. I'm happy to share 20% as a Finders Fee lol

As the girl in Aliens (2) said, "Look man. I just need to know one thing. Where they are!!"

They've got some pretty big RJs over at the old rebranded Crystal Palace group. Let us know how it went.....muwahahahaha!!!

Snakes don't change but they shed their skin. It looks like they shed Real Vegas Online and are now calling it Vegas Frontier.

 

[chuchu59]

I think you may have mis-understood what Dogboy said...

He definitely said the case is that someone playing a single $10 spin has 10 x more chance of hitting the RJ than someone playing a single $1 spin.
Anything else would not be fair.

KK[/QUOTE
=====
You are right KK. Only, its NOT ME that's confused. I got that straight from Inetbet CSR Rep "James". He told me that there is no reason to bet more, you have the same chance and odds of hitting an RJ no matter what your bet size. Here's his followup again.. and notice the funny part when he says basically why do I want a mgr to review all of this... lol ; if you re-read the chain mail starting from the bottom.. you will see first he says "chances" are the same. The he later says "odds" are the same but chances increase. Then he says the chances are the same again. Now he says "odds" are the same. hahahaha ; blimey, this seemed like an easy *ss question. I just wanted to know if it makes sense IF YOU ARE CHASING THE RJ, to bet more $ per spin. And I agree with you KK, it does make sense. A guy betting 1cent per spin should have far less chance than someone betting $1/spin. But that's not what James at Inetbet told me.

From Inetbet:

<<Quoting me (JIMB): There seems to be some debate on CasinoMeister about whether bet size affects PROBABILITY of hitting a Random Jackpot at RTG casinos.
But does someone betting Max Lines and $1 or $10 total bet size have a greater chance of hitting the Random Jackpot?

Inetbet Reply:
This was actually what you asked, when anyone asks this question they are talking about individual bets and does it change their odds of winning and no i am not changing what I said. The odds remain the same no matter what the individual bet size.

I am unsure what you mean by have a manager review the situation, please explain.

Inetbet is quite good at this ie not answering customers' questions directly with statements that are factually correct. You were asking whether the size of your bet had any effect on your chances of hitting the RJ. They answered that the size of the bet does not change the odds of winning and they are correct. Why? Because they are talking about 2 different things. Regardless of how much one bets, the intrinsic odds eg 1 in 1 million for every $1 bet remains constant throughout. So you can bet all you like but the odds remain constant at 1 in 1 million for each $1 wagered.

Talk about poor customer service. Someone asks a simple question and they answer indirectly with statements of their choice.

 

[jimb123]

chuchu

yep I know.. in my lengthy email.. which I posted here... I went back and told the guy... I'm NOT talking about "odds".. i know the odds are always the same...

I was talking about probability/chance... and he went back and forth telling... you can bet 1c or $10, your "chance is the same".... Then later he lectures me about odds the same and chances go up/down. When I pointed it out that he wasn't being consistent, he says he's standing by what he said.

Then I finally got a reply from someone at Inetbet support saying it's like buying a lottery ticket.... the more you bet the more tickets you get. But it wasn't signed by anyone.. so for all I know.. it was the same CSR just pretending to be a manager.

I'm sure he would have been much more friendly/helpful if I had asked his help as to how to make a deposit.

So I'm CLEAR On this RTG RJ topic.. best I'm gonna be.. THANKS EVERYONE )