Anyone else feel like they get the run around at Club World?

pudgeywudgey

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Does anyone else feel like Club World gives them the run around when trying to withdraw?

This is only my second withdrawl from them, which was approved July 3 via Pay MY Card. I did an inquiry today on status via the instant chat with the cashier. After my query, the operator instantly said "should be tomorrow or Monday"

The problem is that I withdrew last year and was constantly told this, and it took 45 days for them to pay me.
 

Vegasbum

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Club World casino might be tight as hell, but I have never had any problems with withdrawls. I would pm the rep here at CM. There seems to be more delays for USA customers
 

Novemberlady1

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Does anyone else feel like Club World gives them the run around when trying to withdraw?

This is only my second withdrawl from them, which was approved July 3 via Pay MY Card. I did an inquiry today on status via the instant chat with the cashier. After my query, the operator instantly said "should be tomorrow or Monday"

The problem is that I withdrew last year and was constantly told this, and it took 45 days for them to pay me.

Recently I withdrew on a Sunday and Monday again with the pay my card and the money was in my account Friday. Very fast for them for me. I am in the US. I withdrew Monsay again this week on Monday and nothing yet but hopeful in the next day or two.
 

slidin1

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Tight is right

Club World casino might be tight as hell, but I have never had any problems with withdrawls. I would pm the rep here at CM. There seems to be more delays for USA customers

I thought it was just me that that they were tight, Nice to know I'm not the only one.
 

Nifty29

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I thought it was just me that that they were tight, Nice to know I'm not the only one.

Yes.

Club World have been lowering their RTP regularly, ever since they opened. Judging by the complaints on CM since then, I would estimate the reduction would be about 7-10% per year.

Fairly soon, the RTP will be around zero, so my advice is to play now while the gettins good.
 

mrmark21

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I dont think the general "tightness" of RTG can be confined to just one casino. RTG was the first provider I stopped playing. They are an aquired taste and I'm sure there are winners but when you look at the winning screen shots thread imo RTG is at the bottom of the list.

They are probably set at 90% RTP although Club World probably wont provide a clearer indication. Which means the slots could be set at a level thats easily compared to land based pubs and pokie dens. I'm a bigger fan of online casinos but when you consider the returns of RTG set at that level wouldnt you rather play on a real machine?
 

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I honestly don't buy that RTG has RTP 3 settings. I think it's a sliding scale that can adjust the RTP in the 80s and maybe 70s range.
 

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i cashed out form manhattan slots in the begining of une and gotta paid in 12 hours (neteller)

my RTP there after that is between 75 and 80%
 

mrmark21

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I honestly don't buy that RTG has RTP 3 settings. I think it's a sliding scale that can adjust the RTP in the 80s and maybe 70s range.

Wouldnt surprise me but if you were to beleive what RTG is telling people after they lied about the RTPs of their games being set in stone then apparently there's only three settings. I've based my above opinion on what I've been told. Plus I dont play RTG anymore...

I stopped playing after over 100 loosing deposits and only 2 cash-outs (both small ammounts, lost one of them on a reverse and the other was voided). The games seemed to nickle and dime me to death without returns that brought me a decent amount above my starting deposit (of course those nickles and dimes tend to make up most of the RTP).

IMO they are the tightest slots I've ever played however there are some screenies and no one would play if the games didnt pay :)
 

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The rep is your best bet.I have contacted her before and my issue was resolved in record time.GL (agreed very tight casino)
 

asadzareef89

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I dont think the general "tightness" of RTG can be confined to just one casino. RTG was the first provider I stopped playing. They are an aquired taste and I'm sure there are winners but when you look at the winning screen shots thread imo RTG is at the bottom of the list.

They are probably set at 90% RTP although Club World probably wont provide a clearer indication. Which means the slots could be set at a level thats easily compared to land based pubs and pokie dens. I'm a bigger fan of online casinos but when you consider the returns of RTG set at that level wouldnt you rather play on a real machine?

Well Omni Casino is accreditted and my RTP there since joining is 88% after 70000 dollar bets in total on slots. Their average RTP is supposed to be 96% so i keep depositing hoping for a big hit but i dont ever get even wins of 150 considering i play 3.75 a spin. Last time i got bonus roung on incredible hulk i won 25 dollars with 2.50 spin
 

Nifty29

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I dont think the general "tightness" of RTG can be confined to just one casino. RTG was the first provider I stopped playing. They are an aquired taste and I'm sure there are winners but when you look at the winning screen shots thread imo RTG is at the bottom of the list.

They are probably set at 90% RTP although Club World probably wont provide a clearer indication. Which means the slots could be set at a level thats easily compared to land based pubs and pokie dens. I'm a bigger fan of online casinos but when you consider the returns of RTG set at that level wouldnt you rather play on a real machine?

There is NO 90% TRTP setting. The settings are 91.5%, 95% and 97.5% (IIRC)

Most RTG slots are HIGH VARIANCE which is why there is the huge monster hits and the long losing sessions.

I honestly don't buy that RTG has RTP 3 settings. I think it's a sliding scale that can adjust the RTP in the 80s and maybe 70s range.

Based on...?

If you're going to make such a statement, you need to back it up for it to have any credibility. If the TRTP was 70% players would be experiencing 50-60% RTPs over the medium to long term and this is VERY unusual i.e. it is nonsense.

Wouldnt surprise me but if you were to beleive what RTG is telling people after they lied about the RTPs of their games being set in stone then apparently there's only three settings. I've based my above opinion on what I've been told. Plus I dont play RTG anymore...

I stopped playing after over 100 loosing deposits and only 2 cash-outs (both small ammounts, lost one of them on a reverse and the other was voided). The games seemed to nickle and dime me to death without returns that brought me a decent amount above my starting deposit (of course those nickles and dimes tend to make up most of the RTP).

IMO they are the tightest slots I've ever played however there are some screenies and no one would play if the games didnt pay :)

Link to the thread where RTG stated that their slots TRTP was "set in stone" but they were found to be "lying".

Sorry Mark, but this never happened.

MGS stated a long time ago that their TRTPs are set in stone and are not operator-configurable. RTG have never stated that ever AFAIK.

Well Omni Casino is accreditted and my RTP there since joining is 88% after 70000 dollar bets in total on slots. Their average RTP is supposed to be 96% so i keep depositing hoping for a big hit but i dont ever get even wins of 150 considering i play 3.75 a spin. Last time i got bonus roung on incredible hulk i won 25 dollars with 2.50 spin

What has being accredited got to do with anything?

There is no such thing as an "average RTP". The RTP figure stated in help files etc is the Theoretical RTP, which is a measure of how much the slot will pay back to the player over the long term....note I said THE player and not A player. Very few, if any, players will actually meet or exceed this TRTP figure in the long term unless they hit a progressive etc.

Also, the dollar amount of spins you made is irrelevant. It is the NUMBER of spins that is important. If you normally bet 3.75, then you have player approx 17000 spins....which is not large given that the number of combinations on a slot can be millions.

Actually, 88% RTP on 17000 spins is not too bad, especially given you play progressive slots. Your RTP is almost certain to be lower on progressive slots than on regular slots if you do not hit the progressives.

It is also important to note that "I have only cashed out twice in 100 deposits" is totally meaningless when discussing RTP of games. In most cases, players who don't cash out (or rarely) are actually in a position to cashout quite a few times....they just don't, either because their expectations are too high (usually the case), or they have little or no discipline. For example, if you deposit $25 at a time and play .40c spins, it is unrealistic to expect to be cashing out $500+ on any kind of regular basis. I saw someone the other day posted that they deposited $10 and got up to almost $300 but didn't cash out because "it wasn't enough to cash out".....well this is a clear case of totally unreasonable expectations.

Personally, I have a 5x deposit cashout point. If I deposit $50, and make it to $250, I cash out $200 and start over with my $50, and then continue to cash out in $100 increments. In this way, I can keep on playing still knowing that I have 4 more deposits to use somewhere else tomorrow. It is far better than being $200 up and blowing it. Many players need to change their expectations, and then they will find their online casino experience far more positive.

I throw the challenge out to anyone who wants to take it....for the next month or so, set a cashout level of 5x deposit, and do what I have described above. At the end of the month, see how much healthier your bankroll is....I will be very surprised if it isn't much nicer.

My philosophy is that by cashing out smaller profits more often, you keep yourself in the game longer, and actually have more opportunities to play at more casinos and play more different games. I also find that I tend to play more sensibly with a fresh deposit than with a larger bankroll consisting of winnings i.e. I don't tend to make stupid bets and waste big chunks of winnings.

I didn't always play this way. I learned the hard way. The great thing about these forums is that you don't HAVE to learn the hard way if you don't want to. The methods I outlined above are easy to follow and they work.....if one member reads it and tries it out, and ends up better off and enjoying themselves more, then all the typing has been worth it.
 

just play

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I throw the challenge out to anyone who wants to take it....for the next month or so, set a cashout level of 5x deposit, and do what I have described above. At the end of the month, see how much healthier your bankroll is....I will be very surprised if it isn't much nicer.

If I remember correctly, only iNetBet has a low minimum withdrawal ($100, not sure if that's changed) other RTG's have a minimum of $350. I haven't been playing much casinos, (doing really well at the horses :) ) so I may be incorrect. But I'm positive that's Club Worlds minimum.

So, if I deposit $25...5x that is $125, can't cash it out...ok so I'll deposit $50, but 5x that is $250, still can't cash it out. I would have to deposit around $75 to do your challenge. (this is by check, I believe most RTG's have that pay back to your cc, but some players only use pre-paid which can't be used for withdrawaling) One casino, I think it's Club World will let you cashout below their minimum with a $45 fee, not sure if others do this.

Can't comment on the rest of your post, because I really have no idea about T/RTPs :D
 

Nifty29

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If I remember correctly, only iNetBet has a low minimum withdrawal ($100, not sure if that's changed) other RTG's have a minimum of $350. I haven't been playing much casinos, (doing really well at the horses :) ) so I may be incorrect. But I'm positive that's Club Worlds minimum.

So, if I deposit $25...5x that is $125, can't cash it out...ok so I'll deposit $50, but 5x that is $250, still can't cash it out. I would have to deposit around $75 to do your challenge. (this is by check, I believe most RTG's have that pay back to your cc, but some players only use pre-paid which can't be used for withdrawaling) One casino, I think it's Club World will let you cashout below their minimum with a $45 fee, not sure if others do this.

Can't comment on the rest of your post, because I really have no idea about T/RTPs :D

Yep, fair enough.

It is definitely tougher for US players in many cases.

Still, there are a lot of non-US players making the same complaints about no cashouts etc.
 

just play

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Yep, fair enough.

It is definitely tougher for US players in many cases.

Still, there are a lot of non-US players making the same complaints about no cashouts etc.



I 100% agree with you about your withdrawaling method. When Quicktender was still around, I would cashout all the time. Well ok, not all the time, :laugh: but quite frequently. I could cashout at night and the next morning my money was there.

I don't understand people from other countries? Why not cashout a low amount like you said? It's a profit, it's extra money to play with, and a lot of the casinos you all get to play at pay within minutes/hours.

Come on people, try this challenge for a month and come back and report!!! Gonna have to agree with Nifty twice :eek::p I bet he is correct on this one.
 

mrmark21

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There is NO 90% TRTP setting. The settings are 91.5%, 95% and 97.5% (IIRC)

Most RTG slots are HIGH VARIANCE which is why there is the huge monster hits and the long losing sessions.



Based on...?

If you're going to make such a statement, you need to back it up for it to have any credibility. If the TRTP was 70% players would be experiencing 50-60% RTPs over the medium to long term and this is VERY unusual i.e. it is nonsense.



Link to the thread where RTG stated that their slots TRTP was "set in stone" but they were found to be "lying".

Sorry Mark, but this never happened.

MGS stated a long time ago that their TRTPs are set in stone and are not operator-configurable. RTG have never stated that ever AFAIK.



What has being accredited got to do with anything?

There is no such thing as an "average RTP". The RTP figure stated in help files etc is the Theoretical RTP, which is a measure of how much the slot will pay back to the player over the long term....note I said THE player and not A player. Very few, if any, players will actually meet or exceed this TRTP figure in the long term unless they hit a progressive etc.

Also, the dollar amount of spins you made is irrelevant. It is the NUMBER of spins that is important. If you normally bet 3.75, then you have player approx 17000 spins....which is not large given that the number of combinations on a slot can be millions.

Actually, 88% RTP on 17000 spins is not too bad, especially given you play progressive slots. Your RTP is almost certain to be lower on progressive slots than on regular slots if you do not hit the progressives.

It is also important to note that "I have only cashed out twice in 100 deposits" is totally meaningless when discussing RTP of games. In most cases, players who don't cash out (or rarely) are actually in a position to cashout quite a few times....they just don't, either because their expectations are too high (usually the case), or they have little or no discipline. For example, if you deposit $25 at a time and play .40c spins, it is unrealistic to expect to be cashing out $500+ on any kind of regular basis. I saw someone the other day posted that they deposited $10 and got up to almost $300 but didn't cash out because "it wasn't enough to cash out".....well this is a clear case of totally unreasonable expectations.

Personally, I have a 5x deposit cashout point. If I deposit $50, and make it to $250, I cash out $200 and start over with my $50, and then continue to cash out in $100 increments. In this way, I can keep on playing still knowing that I have 4 more deposits to use somewhere else tomorrow. It is far better than being $200 up and blowing it. Many players need to change their expectations, and then they will find their online casino experience far more positive.

I throw the challenge out to anyone who wants to take it....for the next month or so, set a cashout level of 5x deposit, and do what I have described above. At the end of the month, see how much healthier your bankroll is....I will be very surprised if it isn't much nicer.

My philosophy is that by cashing out smaller profits more often, you keep yourself in the game longer, and actually have more opportunities to play at more casinos and play more different games. I also find that I tend to play more sensibly with a fresh deposit than with a larger bankroll consisting of winnings i.e. I don't tend to make stupid bets and waste big chunks of winnings.

I didn't always play this way. I learned the hard way. The great thing about these forums is that you don't HAVE to learn the hard way if you don't want to. The methods I outlined above are easy to follow and they work.....if one member reads it and tries it out, and ends up better off and enjoying themselves more, then all the typing has been worth it.

Maybe it was that RTG told players that the RTPs couldnt be changed by operators. Different story same ending.

Also in regards to youre 5x rule. Thats actually a really good idea. I consider $300 a cash-out, $200 a cash-out, some cases (depending on what I want to do with the winnings) $100 a cash-out. The problem is I was never that much in profit at RTG to actually cashout except for those two times I mentoned and the ammounts were for $300 and $200. I have done compared to RTG (in the past) allot better on other platforms (mg, rival, netent etc) which is the reason I still prefer online casinos.

I never did any good at RTG their slots have produced the most awful returns, the reason they were the first to go. I'm from australia the payout percentage on our slots are bad so I'm used to loosing but RTG was a complately different can of worms. The pokies at my local are set at 90% i play online for the better RTP (playing time, wins, etc) 1.5% isnt a huge difference.

I'd take youre challenge, if I was still in the game, but I only play once a week now. So I wouldnt be able to report any results but i'd definitely suggest it to other people :)
 
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