Any suggestions for a good site for Roulette?

kapps014

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My experience has been less than satisfactory on my current site, Bookmaker. The following is my main concern on Bookmaker:

I loved playing Roulette when I was in Vegas a few years ago, so I began to play Roulette online. Mind you, I bet conservative, smaller bets, covering 2/3 of the board at a time. My thing is to cover 2/3 of the board, moving my bets depending on where the ball lands the previous spin. For example, I would bet $1 on the 1-12 and $1 on the 13-24. If the ball landed on the 1-12, my next bet would be to cover the 13-24 and the 25-36, etc. Always moving away from where the ball landed the previous spin.

Eventually, I noticed it took three or four spins before the ball would land on the same 1/3 of the board, thus resulting in a loss for me. I decided to modify my betting pattern wherein I would follow the ball with my fourth bet. For example, if I covered the 1-12 and 13-24 on my third bet and the ball landed on the 1-12, I would make sure to cover the 1-12 as part of my next bet. This worked okay for a while. I bet this way for 1000s of spins and seemed to do okay.

After a few more months, I decided to test of theory and make $1 bets and simply follow the ball around the board. For example, If the ball landed in the middle third of the board, my next bet would be to cover the middle third of the board. Strangely, it would take SUBSTANTIALLY more spins before the ball would land on the same 1/3 of the board. Sometimes, close to 10 times!

I have also bet in ways where I could cover all fo the board to varying degrees. Again, I notice the ball tends to land on the number which gives the least payback in more cases than not.

I am very curious to hear from others!
 

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Not quite sure why you posted this in "Complaints"... ?

I have no idea what software Bookmaker uses, so I suppose it could be dodgy...
However, Roulette by it's very nature is unpredictable and often causes players to suspect something is amiss. I used to play it quite a lot, but pretty much stropped because I couldn't stand the emotional roller-coaster it puts you through. :mad:
I then switched to slots play which is almost as bad (emotionally), but not quite.
You could try a reputable software and see what results you get. I have a special
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page which details the features of each software brand and advises where American can still play it online.

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Thanks for your response, Kasino King.

For the record, I do understand how each spin on roulette is completely separate and has no bearing on previous spins. However, I find it VERY "interesting" how the ball lands differently depending on my betting patterns. Again, when I cover 2/3 of the table, no more than 3 or 4 spins before ball 'doubles up' on a third of the board. However, when changing betting to 'follow' where the ball lands on previous spins, substantially more spins are required before 'doubling up'.

Perhaps there is nothing I can do to bring this to the attention of any kind of authority or audit group, but I was hoping this website would offer some advice or assistance.

Thank you again. I appreciate suggestions!

SIncerely,

Kapps:)
 

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Even though I have dramatically scaled back my play on bookmaker, I managed to withdraw 19k playing blackjack and roulette on a 500 dollar deposit. :thumbsup:

Bookmaker is the largest book on the web, I highly and I mean highly doubt they are using rigged software.

It does concern me that there is no audit for their software (Digital Gaming Solutions) and I have checked up and down at several casinos that use it :what:

I've also had some god awful streaks at it.....memorable ones were 7 dealer blackjacks in a row followed by 3 pulled 20's and 3 pulled 21's....so...I don't know :what:

Only advice I have is not to play right after a sports game where everyone is trying to make back their losses by playing in the casino, if they were going to rig it..it would be then.
 

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Thanks for your response, Kasino King.

For the record, I do understand how each spin on roulette is completely separate and has no bearing on previous spins. However, I find it VERY "interesting" how the ball lands differently depending on my betting patterns. Again, when I cover 2/3 of the table, no more than 3 or 4 spins before ball 'doubles up' on a third of the board. However, when changing betting to 'follow' where the ball lands on previous spins, substantially more spins are required before 'doubling up'.

Perhaps there is nothing I can do to bring this to the attention of any kind of authority or audit group, but I was hoping this website would offer some advice or assistance.

Thank you again. I appreciate suggestions!

SIncerely,

Kapps:)
did you heard about Randomness control system?
 

kapps014

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did you heard about Randomness control system?
Nope. What is it? ANy help appreciated.

I would love to see someone try betting my 2/3 cover (going away from previous spin) 1000x and then switch & bet 1/3 cover (follow previous spin) and see what happens. It's not good!

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I want to know what a Randomness controle system is also... Please/

What is the expert opinions on Live Roulette tables? I have heard very little about Live casinos, here. It would seem that it would be prefered to a Video roulette that could be rigged?:D


love peace and LOTS of money!
 

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First, I confess I don't FULLY understand how Randomness Control works and guarantees that the casino is not cheating, but what it apparently does is create a sequence of RNG numbers before you start playing which you can then check at the end to make sure they weren't manipulated in any way to make you lose during play.

e.g. For Roulette the RC generator produces say 20 numbers from 0-36 and gives you a code. At the end of your 20 spins you are somehow given a key to unlock the code and check that the numbers spun were all pre-determined before you started, and not in any way influenced by your betting patterns.

The only casino I know who use this are BetVoyager, and this is what they say about it:-
Our Randomness Control system allows players to confirm the randomness of the games results.

This kind of control allows players to confirm the randomness of numbers the ball lands on in roulette and the random order of cards dealt at the table. When playing slots, the player can check the randomness of where the reels stop. Randomness control is connected to all games, functioning in our casino.

Our control system has its own specific features for each game, but there is a common thread: the use of the SHA-256 algorithm (Secure Hash Algorithm family). The basis of the method is that the player receives the checksum of the sequence that he is going to play before he begins the play (in roulette he gets the numbers that the ball lands on, and in card-based games, he gets the deck.) The checksum is computed with the help of the SHA-256 algorithm that consists of 64 symbol codes (256 Bits), for example:

CCA0FC49A99034D2502F7C2378DE1B460C3EE98DC8B15CFF49711CFCD8208CA7

The checksum for each sequence is unique. It is virtually impossible to find two sequences with identical checksums. Therefore, the SHA-256 algorithm is generally applied for the confirmation of the authenticity of information and for forming digital signatures.

As soon as the game is finished, the player will have access to all the elements of the earlier formed sequence. First of all, he can check whether the game was held according to the plan indicated in the sequence. Next, he computes the total sum of sequence on the basis of the SHA-256. If this sum is identical to the one received before he began play, he can confirm that the elements sequence which had been formed prior to the beginning of the game was in fact the one used in the game.
I hope this helps!
KK
 
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Interesting... Randomness control will then confirm the "plan" with what is executed but does not give the RTP nor the opposing payout%. Well it's is a step in the right direction at any rate. Thank you KK

Live online casino roulette opinions, comments and friendlyness and feelings (my favorite) will be appreciated from players.
thank you
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First, I confess I don't FULLY understand how Randomness Control works and guarantees that the casino is not cheating, but what it apparently does is create a sequence of RNG numbers before you start playing which you can then check at the end to make sure they weren't manipulated in any way to make you lose during play.

e.g. For Roulette the RC generator produces say 20 numbers from 0-36 and gives you a code. At the end of your 20 spins you are somehow given a key to unlock the code and check that they numbers spun were all pre-determined before you started, and not in any way influenced by your betting patterns.
They use a hash function

A hash function is a way to confirm that two parties both know the same thing without sharing what that thing actually is.

For example, if you are creating a website and need to store usernames and passwords, it is best not to store the password in the database (because the database could become compromised or accessed by an untrustworthy person) Instead you store a hash of the password. A hash is computed by using the values of each letter in the string (e.g., X is 82, Y is 83, etc.) and their positions, which are subject to a mathematical function to create a hash.

So if the SHA256 of my password is 2cf24dba5fb0a30e26e83b2ac5b9e29e1b161e5c1fa7425e73043362938b9824, then that is stored in the database, and when I try to login the password I enter (in this case 'hello') is hashed using the SHA256 algorithm - if you enter hello here:
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it will always give that same value. Another characteristic is that a hash function should give a completely different hash for "hello" compared with say "hellp", which makes it hard to crack subsections.

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They are not hashing the next 20 numbers (which would be vulnerable because after you had say 19 numbers, there would only be 37 possibilities for the hash), but only the next number. The are not hashing just the number, because that would leave only 37 possible hashes, but the number together with a randomised code word.

After the spin occurs they reveal the code word, which, when hashed with the result of the spin, will give the pre-shared SHA256.

Because changing one character of the code word would result in a completely different hash, it is impossible for them to change the result of the next spin according to your bet.

This doesn't prove that their RNG is perfect or that the wheel is unbiased, but it does mean that they cannot cheat you.
 

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Live roulette that is also part of a brick and mortar casino seems to me to be the most fun and least likely to be tampered with.

Only thing, the wheel spins constantly at the same speed and is power-driven: only dropping the ball is done by hand.

You can watch the wheel, see the other players place their bets real-time, and you get your own board to play.

Every individual player has their own board. I cannot see how this could be tampered with, it would seem hardly worth it to me and to difficult.

From what I've seen, it is as close to being there in person.

minimum bets are 50 cents to $100.00
 

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I am trying to learn about different live roulette wheels, so please expand your opinion on a Real Brick and mortar roulette live vs. studio live. I was at a studio live roulette yesterday and they have a lot of traffic from a brick and mortar poker room in some place in Asia. The players use it while they are not pokering but via computer screen. The studio is in CR. So unlike Bogart casino (I was at Bogarts and BetPhoenix it felt like I was the only guy on the board) which is also has it's studio in CR their is a lot of people on the system. How do you feel about that buisy casino? There is a lot of players on the same board...

I don't get it when you say the wheel is motor driven. I didn't notice that. I will pay more attention next time in casinos. Where do you see that... what casino?
 

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www.luckylivecasino.com. Actual location is a brick and mortar casino in Dublin, Ireland. I am in the US so all I can do is fun play.

The wheel never stops even after the ball drops. Maybe I am wrong, but it sure does appear to be power driven to me.

I used to play a site called Future Bet. Youc ould lay out your bets long in advance, and set the parameters then go to bed. Ha.
 

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Hiya: If you are outside the US, then i would try BetVoyager multiball Roulette, 'IF YOU HAVE THE BANKROLL'. I have been playing it in demo mode, and i love it......:thumbsup:
 

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My son runs that casino. I will give him an ask in an hour. He started another live casino with a local new software provider. The new software provider used to work in Dublin running the show there. The Dublin casino owners are not progressive in their plans and style. So he left. It is true. Dubline has no promotions and take a long time to react to markets, trends and have NO promotions.
The new one here, it is a studio. They have a lot of players as i mentioned earlier. I was just wondering what players thought of studios that have a lot of action. I would imagine it will take time to gain confidence... time and fast Payouts. But the dealers are much more interactive. They pay attention to the online players rather than looking bored and Picking their nose on video.:rolleyes: Pm me and i will give you the link if you want. It's slick. and they are eager beavers to please and make a name.
 

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my previous post was reffering to Kennith's post. Luv2win posted while I was typing.:D:D

Luv2win... multiple balls... I saw this in another post of yours. Sounds like fun. Your explanation was interesting.
 

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Actual location is a brick and mortar casino in Dublin, Ireland. I am in the US so all I can do is fun play.

The wheel never stops even after the ball drops. Maybe I am wrong, but it sure does appear to be power driven to me.
In every B&M casino I've visited it is normal practice for the croupier to spin the wheel in opposite directions each spin... sounds like you're saying it always spins in the same direction... are you sure? :confused:

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In Dublin the croupier spins it in the opposite direction every time. I just checked it out. But he does it as he is picking the ball up and you don't notice it. It must be a very light wheel.
 

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That explains everything then. To me, it looks as if it spins all the time at the same rate of speed. I suppose it is done off video.

Interestingly enough, there are sveral threads already about Dubliner.

Again, all I could do was play demo mode. Perhaps Live and Cash make a difference?

Anyone remember Dr Stanley Ho? He had some good live delaers who would interact with you. Personally, it was a bit strange chatting in IM with a cute delaer, but hey, it was no more wierd than when Playtech CS people broke in on ya with live spam!

Roulette for me is not a game of choice, but I do find it fun and fascinating. I also suck at Black Jack but play it from time to time. I don't want to do a great deal of thinking when I game online, you know? Too much like work.

Now ideally, some enterprising outfit will come online with very attractive (both male and female) dealers, and you could read a little "bio" on each one so you could decide if you feel comfortable. Then the graphics would be excellent, you'd play on a multi user board to see other bets and you could also see the live action in the casino.

Pshhhaw!
 

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