Any casino/rep willing to step up and promote high RTP

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In any case, awareness of RTP is something that is on the increase and i doubt any high roller will knowingly choose to play lower paying versions. People also dont like change so any impact may not be immediate if the wins are still coming. Only when the budget dwindles do we question what were doing,
I can give my word that for many people who gamble over £10k/month, are knowingly playing in places with lower RTP. For many that 2% is not that important factor like consensus here seem to be. Many people who play with huge amounts, play in places they like, things work, no hassle anywhere etc... when you find that kind of place, you usually stay there. It's irrelevant if your RTP is 2% lower if you overall keep loosing anyway like in slots most of people do, you just wanna get your adrenaline kicks with some high stakes and possibly high wins.

These same people don't also always do their shopping in the cheapest places or chase sales and offers, that's more what not that wealth people do more (money makes lazy, yes, i guess we all who can afford internet make choices every day which are not economically smart or pay more about something to get it next door instead of walking mile and get it cheaper). If you can afford to play very high level and don't end up to broken gambling addict but can afford that over £10k/month an average to your hobby, you don't really look price tags if it's 96% or 94% (especially when in blind test it's shown almost impossible to experience slot players to name which slot from few is 94% when rest are 96%, same game).

Believe or not, even Aspire at least used to have some very high depositing loyal players, not sure if they still exist but they for some reason were happy there. Highrollers usually are some rich people who can afford that losing, you can't be one with some average wage (or yes you can one day in month) but rich and stupid.

Like old saying says, rich people don't make lottery or play any other lucky games with negative RTP, some highrollers are exception to that rule (maybe some start to when they are rich enough but if willing to come rich, better not to spend penny to these games :D)
 

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I can give my word that for many people who gamble over £10k/month, are knowingly playing in places with lower RTP. For many that 2% is not that important factor like consensus here seem to be.
That surprised me at first but thinking about the mentality, I guess if your happy, in profit and being looked after then you wont change.

2% is a bit of a spin though isnt it? Do you work for a casino by chance :p

Most people are creatures of habit and scared of change. Totally agree about convenience, we love it.

I dont know much about the VIP side of things at casinos which is an element of consideration for sure when considering if high rollers are concerned.

Regarding the rich our life experiences must differ greatly. My experience is they are the tightest and shrewdest but i agree one mans £10 bet is anothers £100 or £1000 when considering budget.
 

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That surprised me at first but thinking about the mentality, I guess if your happy, in profit and being looked after then you wont change.

2% is a bit of a spin though isnt it? Do you work for a casino by chance :p

Most people are creatures of habit and scared of change. Totally agree about convenience, we love it.

I dont know much about the VIP side of things at casinos which is an element of consideration for sure when considering if high rollers are concerned.

Regarding the rich our life experiences must differ greatly. My experience is they are the tightest and shrewdest but i agree one mans £10 bet is anothers £100 or £1000 when considering budget.
I guess there are not that many active slot players who are happy with their lifetime profit :) We have some great casinos here which are most respected ones within this forum because you can be sure that you get treated fairly and have really helpful rep who is ready to go so many extra miles with weird times of the day/week that can only admire passion to do everything possible. I'm not rich but i have no problem to play in such a place even my theoretical RTP would be 94 instead of 96.

2% difference in theoretical RTP is found to be really hard to recognize, it's been much tested and different concepts tried out how and where to take these little deductions without player having much different experience. When you cut 2% from total RTP, it can be quite invisible and almost impossible to recognize if you for example play 5 sessions of same game and one of them have that 2% difference, of course it's long term should make more money for casino but if comparing theoretical and real RTP:s (like many casinos showing them at least for some periods which games are hot etc... or your personal RTP:s), 2% is still kind of within "mistake marginal" where game easily can run for longer period, one player personal RTP can be over theoretical very long time after hitting one insane win. But of course what higher RTP you have in same game, better value you have in it, volatility and other ingredients in it don't make it that easy to count that you get XX% spins less like some countings have been made without game have any variance but as we know they do but higher is always higher.

Not directly working in any casino, been living in Malta quite many years and getting my food and drinks from igaming industry like i guess majority of foreigners here.

VIP players are something you love but are also bit complex for long term, as even quite wealthy person can spend everything they have on gambling. Some get so excited when they have their personal VIP manager who can be connected via Whatsupp or what so ever and who for sure contact you like friend if your deposits seem to be dropping. These days like mentioned in some posts earlier, the amount of online casino players has increased significantly if you compare even what ever, 7 years ago. Now playing online is more normal and everyday thing, you have a much bigger number of players and you are not that badly dependent about your few VIP:s (of course you don't wanna lose them at any costs, if they are players who don't end up to be problem gamblers like unfortunately some amount of them do, gambling is not easiest to control and VIP status for some is something you want to keep, even you couldn't afford it and then we see these UKGC fines where somebody been stealing £200k from work to play...) when you have good number of players who keep depositing and you get your deposits every day without all your registered players having to spend fortunes. VIP/Loyalty programs are mainly not that generous what they used to be (or at least not for that big group of people but more exclusive), also regulators like UKGC have VIP programs as one of their concern that is it ok to so encourage players to spend a lot by giving them nice gifts and making such a personal relationship with them. From these past UKGC fine cases it can be clearly seen how important they were for casinos, these amounts what people deposited in some cases were so huge that every human should have give a thought that am i really dealing with person who can lose hundreds of thousands in two years etc.. but no questions asked, that happily have changed quite a lot.

About rich people, that's very true what you said and like i said earlier (rich people don't make lotteries or play slots), rich people i know even somehow are usually like you said, really tight and they don't waste penny to any "investment" where you have negative ROI exceptions, that's probably one reason they are rich. If you are used to manage your big funds, invest and just take care of them wise way, you probably don't play these games as you don't like to lose the funds you have made with your smart investments etc... Then other style of people who just like to splash cash, maybe they got rich fast and "easy" and just have more spending lifestyle. I think it's quite much researched that rich people are not gambling much, in Finland there been quite a lot of conversations previous years about land based FOBT:s (which you have in every bar, shop, petrol station, everywhere, over 18 000 machines in total) and how they are placed to areas which have lowest income and education level, areas with highest income and education levels, they are almost nonexistent. Maybe if you have millions, you don't get same excitment and entertainment from these games than we "normal" people do, can't say for sure, haven't have pleasure to be rich yet :)

Seems we start to get "bit" offtopic but it's easy to get back to pure RTP discussions, guess my original point was that argument that if casino X can do something, there's no reason why not all the others could is not great argument without more information about casinos situation. There can be so many reasons why casino X can provide something casino Z can't at the moment, was it operation costs, how they are doing overall with their numbers, do they need to invest to some improvements, are some temporarily offering more than they can in long term (like typically all new casinos when they launch have much higher bonus costs than it's possible to have long term) etc... We here have good information available to base or decision where to deposit our money and i probably have more understanding for not offering highest possible RTP available than majority have which is perfectly ok and i haven't try to say that there is no difference, i just keep it quite small difference (which don't mean i recommend everybody do same, we all play our own money) and understand how some reps have stated their reasonings in chosing their RTP:s.
 

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I'm not rich but i have no problem to play in such a place even my theoretical RTP would be 94 instead of 96.
Unless you are getting something extra i think that is foolish choice.

I really cant understand why anyone, given a straight choice between a higher or lower paying slot that is exactly the same in every way except payout, would ever choose the lower paying version given no additional benefits.

2% difference in theoretical RTP is found to be really hard to recognize, it's been much tested and different concepts tried out how and where to take these little deductions without player having much different experience. When you cut 2% from total RTP, it can be quite invisible and almost impossible to recognize if you for example play 5 sessions of same game and one of them have that 2% difference, of course it's long term should make more money for casino but if comparing theoretical and real RTP:s (like many casinos showing them at least for some periods which games are hot etc... or your personal RTP:s), 2% is still kind of within "mistake marginal" where game easily can run for longer period, one player personal RTP can be over theoretical very long time after hitting one insane win. But of course what higher RTP you have in same game, better value you have in it, volatility and other ingredients in it don't make it that easy to count that you get XX% spins less like some countings have been made without game have any variance but as we know they do but higher is always higher.
Yes I would have thought it is hard to recognise and almost impossible to spot.

Exactly the reason why you should check before you play so you know you have the best chance.

2% margin for error is interesting. I wonder about the recordings of rtp and how they are monitored.

2% margin for error could mean the 94% version compared to the 96% could be running the same OR they could be running at 92% and 98% - a difference of 6% compared to an advertised 2% - Ill take my chances on the max RTP every time. - Just my own bit of spin :)

When considering games like Red Tigers Mystery Reels or Megaways (cant remember which) where some casinos offer around 98% and others 91%. I guess including the margin of error we could be playing a difference of 9% instead of the advertised 7%!

Think we will have to agree to differ on this one mate as we are on very different pages. Its evolved to us talking about a noticeable difference in lower RTP and if it matters.

Less % payout = less paid out.

Agree with your closing statement that 'higher is always higher'.

Have a good day. Stay safe :)
 

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Unless you are getting something extra i think that is foolish choice.

I really cant understand why anyone, given a straight choice between a higher or lower paying slot that is exactly the same in every way except payout, would ever choose the lower paying version given no additional benefits.



Yes I would have thought it is hard to recognise and almost impossible to spot.

Exactly the reason why you should check before you play so you know you have the best chance.

2% margin for error is interesting. I wonder about the recordings of rtp and how they are monitored.

2% margin for error could mean the 94% version compared to the 96% could be running the same OR they could be running at 92% and 98% - a difference of 6% compared to an advertised 2% - Ill take my chances on the max RTP every time. - Just my own bit of spin :)

When considering games like Red Tigers Mystery Reels or Megaways (cant remember which) where some casinos offer around 98% and others 91%. I guess including the margin of error we could be playing a difference of 9% instead of the advertised 7%!

Think we will have to agree to differ on this one mate as we are on very different pages. Its evolved to us talking about a noticeable difference in lower RTP and if it matters.

Less % payout = less paid out.

Agree with your closing statement that 'higher is always higher'.

Have a good day. Stay safe :)
Agree with what you're saying but i don't think, and many have said here, that the majority of players either know, nor as Slottery has said, care about RTP. If you take the angry beloved Mrs P: she was playing Reactoonz the other day and i said why you playing it there, that's only 94%: the reaction was, more or less, meh....And that's from someone who, probably, sinks more money in a month than me (cos her salary is x2.5 more than mine :p)
 
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Hi Deepsky2,

We did post a news about changing RTP on providers last year. In the Redtiger games there was also a notification about it first time you started the game.

You can also use "Game Payouts" which updates the actual and theoretical RTP on a daily basis if there are any changes, date and time is shown.
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. That page you can use to start games and then you know the RTP before you start playing. As you see on image below, its very clear and transparent for those players who wish to know the RTP before they start a game.

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However, the feedback is noted and we will try to make it even more clear in the future.

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Wanted to use this thread to say I will be moving on to other providers, specifically due to greedy RTPs.
 

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Article with some RTP education included in article (not really high level educational but it's not gaming specific paper either, at least advised for all to check RTP:s before playing):

Whether on the hunt for a huge payday or merely seeking a more casual gaming experience, online casinos in the modern age cater to a broad spectrum of players. Before wagering any money, it’s advisable to research each game’s respective RTP to decide which games best meet the individual goals and gambling approach of the player
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If people have time and interest, write some short simple articles and keep posting them to internet, that can make more "normal" leisure "gamblers" to be aware what is RTP and more importantly, some providers use different versions. In this forum we are quite well covered but probably many have some places where could post about topic.
 

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Knew I had seen Casinoland mentioned somewhere and thought i would check out their RTP.

Not played there in a long while and although a cm search brought me sadly to this thread, realising they are not max, I am impressed with their verification promise:

10 minutes or £10 cash......counting down as we speak.......

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This is exemplary for the industry in my experience but should be a KPI for all casinos.
 

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Knew I had seen Casinoland mentioned somewhere and thought i would check out their RTP.

Not played there in a long while and although a cm search brought me sadly to this thread, realising they are not max, I am impressed with their verification promise:

10 minutes or £10 cash......counting down as we speak.......

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This is exemplary for the industry in my experience but should be a KPI for all casinos.
Absolute shite company, closed my account 5 minutes after opening, well trying to



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Also lying about the RTP on their games
Don't know about the others but Book of Dead is set at 94%, yet their list states 96%
A group for the avoid list

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And thats enough for me to not send any more docs in.

They failed the first two proof of addy but both utility and within 3 months.

Was going to do the 3rd attempt but no way Jose.

Thanks for the heads up.
 

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And thats enough for me to not send any more docs in.

They failed the first two proof of addy but both utility and within 3 months.

Was going to do the 3rd attempt but no way Jose.

Thanks for the heads up.
One minus side of making promises of 10 min handling time can be that people there really don't spend that much attention to one document but it's approved or declined in few secs which can make it more frustrating than waiting what ever hours and get all approved at once.
 

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One Click had all the makings of a great new casino group.. the sites are very well done.

Then they stopped communicating with players, reduced RTP and increased payout processing times....
 

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I don't even know how they're still going - they literally never bother contacting you/promo's/hello's.

Odd group to say the least - only good point is that the sites one of the slickest

The rest is shite.
 

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thank god
Funny how different casinos get a mixed bag of opinions.

Not many where the general consensus is 'yes, their great!'.

888 basically stole money from me when i first ventured into slotting.

No other way to describe it but theft - deposited for bonus then got excluded and blocked for no apparent reason and no explanation significant enough for me to remember the details, no money back, just a lingering thought of 'theft'.
 

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