Announcement from the GRA concerning Hilo and ReelDeal games

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Keyser

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May I suggest not giving into Phill

Brear's e-mail to me contained the following threat:

Quote Originally Posted by Phill Brear
I have no wish to have a public slanging match on your role in this matter and your defective logic so I suggest you make a diplomatic and tactical retreat.

I have no wish for a public slanging match with Brear and will suspend contributing to this thread and topic. In truth, there is nothing more to add.

It is not for me to tell you how to fight (or not fight) your battles but ...
I think that by acknowledging a mutual interest in not having a public slanging match and then acting exactly as he appears to want you to that you are giving Phill what he wants and also giving credence (to him at least) of his opinion that your logic is defective and that you are in fact retreating.

Phill is clearly a bully and bullies don't understand concepts of discretion, mutual disagreement, being respectful, etc. (much less the definition of "defective logic"). Bullies love to feed on other people being nice, tactful, understanding, giving the benefit of the doubt, etc. to fuel their own agenda and cause and also to use these tools to beat their opponents over the head.

Furthermore, he has essentially called you out and attempted to sully your well earned sterling reputation and I have no doubt that he will use any timidity as a tool to further this end. Phill can ask for a truce if he wants, but it should be on your terms, after you have given him the public flogging he deserves and is begging for.

I say this from personal experience having occasionally erred on giving people the benefit of the doubt and having it used against me. Having said all that, things are easier said than done, and I understand if you'd rather just let Phill wallow in his own rage. Just my 2 cents.

BTW Yes I purposely call Phill by his first name and not Mr. XXXX. Calling someone Mr. or Ms. XXX is a sign of respect, one that Phill has completely unearned.
 

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Well not without the GRA actually doing its job, agreement would seem unlikely without this. The reason we are upset is your failure to act to protect consumers..
It would have been nice if you had not quoted me on the GRA's statement. These were not my comments but the commissioner's. This may seem confusing to anyone new coming into this thread.
 

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Phill Brear sent me a personal e-mail addressing my most recent post in this thread. He gave me permission to reprint his e-mail saying:



Brear succinctly summarized the incident in his letter to me, saying:



Brear's e-mail to me contained the following threat:



I have no wish for a public slanging match with Brear and will suspend contributing to this thread and topic. In truth, there is nothing more to add.

The thing about banging your head against a wall is that it feels so good when you finally stop.

These not-so-veiled threats to my mind are yet another illustration of this guy's arrogance and (as another poster here commented) bullying, over-bearing personality.

I have to agree with VWM's comments: "Clearly, a mathematician and qualified statistician specialising in the maths of casino games cannot be considered knowledgeable enough in the field to give a valid account and opinion, yet someone with decision making power, but not much in the way of cutting edge academic skills to suit the sector in which they work, can overrule the logic of maths and statistics as "flawed logic".

"If Mr Brear is so confident that he is right, and holds the moral high ground, why all the threats, whether veiled or not. It seems the idea behind them is to stifle debate and make this story "go away" with the passage of time so that the GRA can get back to business as usual, for the next couple of years anyway."

I suspect these exchanges and the attitude displayed throughout will long be remembered.
 

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As it's a long thread and I have skimmed most of it on and off over a few months, is this a fair summation of how things stand?

1. Brear does not think the deceptive paytables are a major issue, despite claiming that there were "millions and millions" of play rounds.
2. Spielo, Finsoft, Betfred, NordicBet, Stan James and others that either produce, rigged, or hosted these games won't be repaying anyone anything.
3. Brear and said operators continue to conspicuously ignore the evidence that some of these games were rigged in players' favour in free play mode with a RTP greater than 100% for several years, irrespective of whether the games had a deceptive paytable or help file in real money mode.
4. We can expect the cost of "mistakes" made by operators and/or software developers licensed in Gibraltar to be carried by players, not the people and companies making the mistakes.
5. Brear lacks some of the basic knowledge necessary for a person of his position, has the same flair for PR as a cow turd, and his organisation is nothing more than a paper tiger.
 

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As it's a long thread and I have skimmed most of it on and off over a few months, is this a fair summation of how things stand?

1. Brear does not think the deceptive paytables are a major issue, despite claiming that there were "millions and millions" of play rounds.
2. Spielo, Finsoft, Betfred, NordicBet, Stan James and others that either produce, rigged, or hosted these games won't be repaying anyone anything.
3. Brear and said operators continue to conspicuously ignore the evidence that some of these games were rigged in players' favour in free play mode with a RTP greater than 100% for several years, irrespective of whether the games had a deceptive paytable or help file in real money mode.
4. We can expect the cost of "mistakes" made by operators and/or software developers licensed in Gibraltar to be carried by players, not the people and companies making the mistakes.
5. Brear lacks some of the basic knowledge necessary for a person of his position, has the same flair for PR as a cow turd, and his organisation is nothing more than a paper tiger.

I would say a fair synopsis, especially #5.

I must take issue with the 'cow turd' reference. As you may know, cows pass 'pats' which are runny and later go crusty. A 'turd' however has at least some form and shape to it, unlike Mr. Brear's outpourings.:)
 

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I've not said a whole lot in these threads, mostly others have said it better.

But I'd like to say I've read every single word, and every single link.

I routinely read paytables and help files. I played a new casino today and some new games, read a few, and re-read a couple.

If I see "Card Game" and the odds stated work out the same as natural odds, why wouldn't I assume it's correct? If I lose, it's down to "bad luck", not cheating software I assume, I rarely play enough on any game to achieve TRTP.

Phil Brear has did this industry a great disservice.

I might be willing to believe that the casinos that deployed this game didn't audit it closely enough but relied on what was supplied to them. But if they made an honest mistake, then they should be able to go through their records and find out how much they made off the game. All the time settlements are made without admission of liability. If it is too costly in terms of time to reimburse individual players, I'm fine with a payment to gambling addiction charities.

Whether by mistake or design, this was a flawed and deceptive game. The involved casinos should not profit by it, and one would have hoped that a regulator could see the common sense of that.
 

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I would say a fair synopsis, especially #5.

I must take issue with the 'cow turd' reference. As you may know, cows pass 'pats' which are runny and later go crusty. A 'turd' however has at least some form and shape to it, unlike Mr. Brear's outpourings.:)

I understand that many people here don't like the outcome of this situation, to include me, but referring to the commissioner as cow shit is over the top and totally unnecessary. This is a forum where discussions may become heated, but these references discredit the forum and all of its members.

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