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An Intersting Thought About Tracking Casinos

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by mac-online, Sep 3, 2009.

    Sep 3, 2009
  1. mac-online

    mac-online Dormant account

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    There is a lot of competition out there between casinos, especially new ones unestablished. Perhaps someone like CM could convince a few to start a whole new arm or class of casinos that would submit to a tracking program. I have heard a lot of chat back and forth about not wining at certain casinos or a particular slot is "has high varrience". Why not start a new class of casinos who place their data of spins, wins and payouts on a collective file accumulated by a new industry 3rd party association to track every spin and have "REAL" payout% of slots, casino games etc. You could track requests for cashouts and record system of money transfer and times it takes.
    I am sure established casinos would dread at this thought, but a few newer ones might go for it. Even just two or three would be a good start. If the players liked the confidence that this system brings with it, then these casinos would rise in popularity meaning that others would go down. Little by little it might catch on.
    Think of what this transperancy would mean to the industry.
     
  2. Sep 3, 2009
  3. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Something like that would end up putting an end to the online casino industry.

    Most players are looking for fun and action. If you keep shoving in our faces how much everyone is losing we just might realize how expensive this little entertainment is costing us.
    Keep in mind that all these casino havens built all over the world, weren't built paying winners.

    Personally I think I financed the lobby at the Taj in A.C.
     
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  4. Sep 3, 2009
  5. mac-online

    mac-online Dormant account

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    So don't place $ win or losses if that would be a downer. I was thinking about putting an end to confusion between good and very bad casinos cheating. If that was done the money spent on entertainment would be a lot less and more enjoyable. Knowing that a particualr slot really paid out 96% would be good. Or if a casino was cheating. You wouldn't want to know...OK right!
    If a casino wanted to push the "loose" button it would be spotted. You know it happens. But i apprecieate your perspective. It is definately a different idea and would be hard to get going.
     
  6. Sep 3, 2009
  7. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    The problem would be the sheer cost of developing a standard format for collating the data. Each software has the data, but in it's own format. There are already independent verification procedures in place for most, if not all, reputable casinos.
    Adding yet another agency tasked with collecting and processing data in a different way is going to mean LESS in the way of benefits (promos, bonuses, etc) coming to players because casinos will have to fund it. Even if it did go ahead, players may not trust it any more than the current independent testing organisations.
    Cheating casinos will simply refuse to sign up, as will many reputable casinos who feel it unfair to spend money that would otherwise be spent on their players - so you could not even assume that non-participation meant the casino was cheating.
    The cheapest way forward would be to build on what is already in place, and here one can see considerable resistance from casinos to release any more than general data. Microgaming casinos have a monthly payout figure published, and they MUST also have the data to issue payouts on a per game basis, but they don't want to do it, nor allow anybody else to.

    The secrecy surrounding payouts is illustrated in the thread about RTG and the "double pear" that is seen on Fruit Frenzy. One of the design team behind the game (a regular poster) was able to explain that this was down to a different RTP variant being used, but he could not say WHICH variant - showing that players are not permitted to know the RTP of individual games, rather than the casino being "unable" to say, or it "costing too much to process the data".
    If such a tracking system were in place, it would expose casinos that were using a lower RTP variant, and they would therefore be most unwilling to contribute to this tracking service.

    The best way forward would be tighter regulation, with it being a requirement to give players the exact mathematical RTP expected from each game. Australian regulators required the old Lasseters and Ausvegas casinos to state the RTP of each of their slot games, which was done to 2 decimal points of percentage in the "help about" pages for the games.

    In most cases for the well known software brands, knowing the mathematically expected RTP, along with verification of the RNG output in terms of game results, is as good as having this tracking service.
     
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  8. Sep 4, 2009
  9. mac-online

    mac-online Dormant account

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    How can I read this thread. I am not framiliar with the systems here at CM yet. I don't see a search box?

    Is there any way to get the tracking from the players , if some special device or program was installed in the players computer?
     
  10. Sep 4, 2009
  11. LOOKAWAY

    LOOKAWAY Senior Wember PABnonaccred

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    Search function is right under unread PM.
     
  12. Sep 4, 2009
  13. mac-online

    mac-online Dormant account

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    always were you least expect something you cannot find... under your nose:D
     

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