Question An honest Top Game casino, someone pinch me I must be dreaming?

[KasinoKing]

Given the current climate, I would want to be 100% sure if I were promoting them.

Just sayin.

Hard to be 100% sure about anything these days - I mean I was 100% sure the Accredited Purple Lounge was a safe casino - and look what happened there!

Just sayin...

KK

 

[maphesto]

I know that Black Diamond and the two sisters (Spartan Slots and Box 24) are independent BUT their software provider force them to have that stupid 249$ rule. ( All Deposits of 249 USD and less have a max withdrawal of 10X for that specific play session.)

This means that they are 100% independent BUT they still have to obey some stupid rules, which they told KK just applies to bonuses.

I don't believe for a second that they will use the stupid 249$ rule, but the rule is still there and I can't tolerate that when I deposit. I will not deposit as much as 250 dollar there which means I don't deposit...

 

[Tirilej]

But that rule about the $249 deposit I didn't find at this new banana casino. Did anyone else see it?

 

[maphesto]

But that rule about the $249 deposit I didn't find at this new banana casino. Did anyone else see it?

Top Game decision: All other Top Game casinos without the ones directly affiliated with Winward (as this new banana casino) have the 249$ rule. Even Rome Casino, which are tied to Top Game, have it:

35.All Deposits of 249 USD/EURO/AUS or less have a max withdrawal of 10X the deposit for that specific play session (all other currencies pegged to USD). Once a withdrawal is requested, the casino applies the 10X rule and corrects the withdrawal to accurately reflect the 10X rule. The remaining funds are deemed "Non-Withdrawable" and are cleared from the player's balance. Deposit bonuses used during a play session that results in a pending withdrawal request, are also "Non-Withdrawable" and can be deducted from that particular pending withdrawal.

The casinos directly connected to Winward have this stupid 500$/week rule. Or was it month?

 

[Tirilej]

Top Game decision: All other Top Game casinos without the ones directly affiliated with Winward (as this new banana casino) have the 249$ rule. Even Rome Casino, which are tied to Top Game, have it:

35.All Deposits of 249 USD/EURO/AUS or less have a max withdrawal of 10X the deposit for that specific play session (all other currencies pegged to USD). Once a withdrawal is requested, the casino applies the 10X rule and corrects the withdrawal to accurately reflect the 10X rule. The remaining funds are deemed "Non-Withdrawable" and are cleared from the player's balance. Deposit bonuses used during a play session that results in a pending withdrawal request, are also "Non-Withdrawable" and can be deducted from that particular pending withdrawal.

The casinos directly connected to Winward have this stupid 500$/week rule. Or was it month?

It was $500 a month the first 6 month, and then $500 a week

So the 10x max cashout on deposits under $250 is for all TopGame except Winward, Rich and Banana casino, and at Box24 and groups it's only if you use a bonus, not a straight deposit.
I think I get it now. Nice rules, not

 

[Nifty29]

Hard to be 100% sure about anything these days - I mean I was 100% sure the Accredited Purple Lounge was a safe casino - and look what happened there!

Just sayin...

KK

Purple Lounge......afaik there was no argument about ownership,and certainly no bad track record with the software provider. It was a case of awful management.

Nobody would have blamed you or any other affiliate for promoting them, as there was no suggestion of links to scum operators or shady ownership at the time.

The situation with top game casinos is totally different.....there is a LOT of writing on the wall, and you cannot be certain as to whether they are connected to dodgy owners or not. As a potential signup from your site, it would concern me.

I always respected your choice of casinos in the past, and used many of your links to signup. Recently, I've been disappointed with the quality of some of your choices. IMO, saying a casino is great and recommended,even though they take 10 days to process a payment @$500 a week and have been heavily involved in VERY dodgy activity (even leading to CM expulsion) is damaging your reputation. Adding the caveat of "if you don't like the terms then don't play" doesn't cut the mustard......using that philosophy, you should also be promoting Rome and v1rtual etc.

It's not personal. I just hate to see a stand up guy roll around with dogs and end up with fleas.

If box24 DO have the 10x max for under $249, and it does NOT state it is only for bonuses, then they are no better than Rome. The suggestion that the software provider "forces"them to have it is ridiculous.......unless of course they are NOT independent, which is the only logical reason i can think of.....having or not having the term would have NO impact on the software provider as they don't have to pay the winnings. Or do they.......??

 

[KasinoKing]

Adding the caveat of "if you don't like the terms then don't play" doesn't cut the mustard......using that philosophy, you should also be promoting Rome and v1rtual etc.

That is just nonsense - and you know it.
Those rogue casinos can say anything in their T&Cs - but we all know they are very unlikely to stick to them.
The casinos I list DO stick to their T&Cs (as far as I can be sure), If any of the T&Cs are "player unfriendly" I make a note of this on my site so that players are forewarned and can make up their own minds.
I only list casinos I would be happy to invest my own money in (as a player), and you know that if you, or anyone else, can show me conclusive proof that any casino on my site is deliberately ripping off players, I would remove them without question.

If box24 DO have the 10x max for under $249, and it does NOT state it is only for bonuses, then they are no better than Rome. The suggestion that the software provider "forces"them to have it is ridiculous.......unless of course they are NOT independent, which is the only logical reason i can think of.....having or not having the term would have NO impact on the software provider as they don't have to pay the winnings. Or do they.......??

The rule at Box24 is quite clearly stated under Bonus Terms:

 

[Tirilej]

This rule is awful, but on the other hand it's actually the same as all Rival and RTG's that has a max cashout on their bonuses.
I can accept that if it's clearly stated that it's 10x the deposit or if it's the total sum. That's not clear now.

 

[Nifty29]

That is just nonsense - and you know it.
Those rogue casinos can say anything in their T&Cs - but we all know they are very unlikely to stick to them.
The casinos I list DO stick to their T&Cs (as far as I can be sure), If any of the T&Cs are "player unfriendly" I make a note of this on my site so that players are forewarned and can make up their own minds.
I only list casinos I would be happy to invest my own money in (as a player), and you know that if you, or anyone else, can show me conclusive proof that any casino on my site is deliberately ripping off players, I would remove them without question.


The rule at Box24 is quite clearly stated under Bonus Terms:

10x....?...what? The deposit? The bonus? I wouldn't call that clear.

I also think these bonuses are disgraceful. 25x D+B WR and max 10x cashout (I assume xdeposit). So, if you deposit $25 and take a $50 bonus, you have to wager $1875...PLUS you have to give back the bonus....PLUS you can only cashout $250.

I'm interested to know why, if a casino has "player unfriendly" terms, you promote them in the first place? Surely these terms are deliberately enforced to disadvantage the player, so surely that tells you something about the operation and their attitude?

One last thing. I assume you are OK with the following terms at Box24?:

3.4 Box24 Casino reserves the right to close your account for any reason and without notice. In the event of account termination, any remaining balance available may be returned to the user, except in circumstances deemed inappropriate. At our discretion, these include but are not limited to the following:

•Incorrect, inaccurate, or misleading information provided by the user upon registration or subsequent request.
•Multiple account registration and/or use.
•Registration and/or play by users under the age of 18, or below the legal age permitted according to the laws of jurisdiction.
•Use of the site and/or casino by persons residing where such use is prohibited by law.
•Any action, intentional or otherwise that results in the access and use of casino by persons other than the user.
•Inaccurate or mismatching credit card information; name on card is not that of the user.
•Casino play for reasons other than personal entertainment, including but not confined to play in a professional capacity, or in complicity with other users or groups.
•Attempts to withdraw before fullfilling the given requirements of a promotion claimed.
•Use of automated systems, machines, softwares or any other device intended to alter the outcome of gameplay.
•Wagering by use of a "robot" player, or any other non-approved software client.
•Cheating or fraudulent activity of any kind as determined by the casino.
•Bonus abuse or attempted bonus abuse, deemed as such by the casino and extending to include actions or patterns of play at other online casino venues.
•Reversing a withdrawal won from a bonus with a max cashout is deemed as bonus abuse and additional winnings will be considered void
•Chargeback of funds.
•Fraudulent activity of any kind and/or noncompliance with the terms and conditions of this agreement

Seems a lot of FU clauses in there.

 

[maphesto]

The rule at Box24 is quite clearly stated under Bonus Terms:

And at the sister casino Spartan Slots it's not under Bonus Terms, it is placed just over it.

It's not that easy to be a player then, is it?

The rule is there at several untrustworthy Top Game casinos, and at different places at the T&C:s at the only three "independent" ones.

And let's not forget that the Winward group instead puts a bonus with WR on your deposit wether you want it or not.
Malci didn't come back to clear that mess up.