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[Nifty29]

Hi Again

I was just giving my opinion (which may not be worth much)but just my opinion on what i had read. I do not know Bladefury in anyway. Im from Belfast, Northern Ireland and just thought i would comment on what i had read. I joined the site to read about other peoples experiences with BetFred as i have had a problem with them. I was going to pitch a bitch then I started reading other peoples issues with multiple casino's and realised my problems with Betfred dont compare to what is happening to other people.

People should realise that its not about taking sides with other members on here but coming together as a community and fighting against rogue casino's etc, that are cheating people out of money. It would be much better if everyone worked together instead of making jibes at each other.

I dont know who is high up on here but you are very welcome to get my ip address and Bladefurys with his permission and check our locations. It would be a humongous coincidence if we lived anywhere near each other. Or if you have any other ways to find out you can work away.

To nifty - You seem to spend a hell of a lot of time on here. Do you get paid? I think its time you opened the curtains and came to the realisation that there is a world outside your window.

To the WeatherMan - You are right. Im glad I came accross this site yesterday after i typed Trouble with Betfred into google. I am much more knowledgeable even after just one day. I bet Bladefury wishes he would have found this site before his trouble!

To:

Jasminebed, just play, mimi26, smokeeye, wobble33

Thanking someone's post that has direct personal insults in it is "high fiving".

It's just the same as a group of people standing in front of someone on the street, and one of the group throws an insult and the others go high fiving and yelling "you got OWNED!! and "Yeah cop that hahahah".

Frankly, it is childish and pathetic....but given some of the members involved, not surprising.

All I did in this thread is point out my position in a non-emotional and logical way, as I always do. The fact that is often pisses some people off, usually because it doesn't involve jumping on the "poor player" bandwagon from the off and considers the case from BOTH sides. I could very easily just ignore some facts and take the player's side on every issue like some, and get the pats on the back and the "you tell 'em" comments etc....but I would be doing just that,....ignoring facts.

Even though I stated several times that it sucks, and that it is awful that the player lost $17k, it seems to mean nothing because I dared to point out that the terms and conditions were clear and the player broke them.....the casino COULD pay if it wanted to, but technically it doesn't HAVE to. I also stated the term IS predatory....but that the player accepted it and should expect to be bound by it.

Guess what?....the paragraph above which I reiterated several times is pretty much what Bryan said just before. So when is he going to cop what I copped? I notice he was thanked a lot. Amazing.

Simmo! - I agree and disagree. I don't "jump on the back" of genuine newbs who behave reasonably and actually want genuine advice rather than everyone to take their side. I disagree about having to know about "terminology" to have any clue about what you're signing up to. Surely the onus is on the person reading and accepting the terms to KNOW what they are accepting? Most terms that are breached are actually quite clear e.g. "You may not bet more than 30% of the bonus awarded" (a common breached term) or in this case "If you withdraw before meeting the wagering requirements (which were quite clear) you will forfeit your winnings and bonus". Obviously the last one is a crap term, but I don't see how one has to be a "gambling expert" to understand what it means.....and if one does NOT understand, one needs to clarify it with the casino. It is just plain common sense, and I don't see why one player should be held to a different standard than another purely because one player didn't use common sense and/or understand what they were signing up for.

garya (and the members above who high fived).....if anyone has a narrow view of the world, it is you. I know that at least one of you has issues that keeps them at home, which makes the high fiving even more pathetic and hypocritical. Obviously, spending more time than yourselves doing a particular thing makes one "desperate" or "a loser" etc etc...or a "paid shill". Again...who needs to "open their curtains" here?

Gary, I asked you a simple question....that's it. All you had to say was "No". I didn't accuse you of anything. YOu made a song and dance over nothing.

Sorry to the other members for the derail, but I refuse to be "spat at" because I look at things in a different way which conflicts with those who perenially support the player in any dispute....and that's what "high fiving" is the online equivalent of...spitting in one's face...which is why I NEVER do it and never will.

 

[chuchu59]

To:

Jasminebed, just play, mimi26, smokeeye, wobble33

Thanking someone's post that has direct personal insults in it is "high fiving".It's just the same as a group of people standing in front of someone on the street, and one of the group throws an insult and the others go high fiving and yelling "you got OWNED!! and "Yeah cop that hahahah".

Frankly, it is childish and pathetic....but given some of the members involved, not surprising.

All I did in this thread is point out my position in a non-emotional and logical way, as I always do. The fact that is often pisses some people off, usually because it doesn't involve jumping on the "poor player" bandwagon from the off and considers the case from BOTH sides. I could very easily just ignore some facts and take the player's side on every issue like some, and get the pats on the back and the "you tell 'em" comments etc....but I would be doing just that,....ignoring facts.

Even though I stated several times that it sucks, and that it is awful that the player lost $17k, it seems to mean nothing because I dared to point out that the terms and conditions were clear and the player broke them.....the casino COULD pay if it wanted to, but technically it doesn't HAVE to. I also stated the term IS predatory....but that the player accepted it and should expect to be bound by it.

Guess what?....the paragraph above which I reiterated several times is pretty much what Bryan said just before. So when is he going to cop what I copped? I notice he was thanked a lot. Amazing.

Simmo! - I agree and disagree. I don't "jump on the back" of genuine newbs who behave reasonably and actually want genuine advice rather than everyone to take their side. I disagree about having to know about "terminology" to have any clue about what you're signing up to. Surely the onus is on the person reading and accepting the terms to KNOW what they are accepting? Most terms that are breached are actually quite clear e.g. "You may not bet more than 30% of the bonus awarded" (a common breached term) or in this case "If you withdraw before meeting the wagering requirements (which were quite clear) you will forfeit your winnings and bonus". Obviously the last one is a crap term, but I don't see how one has to be a "gambling expert" to understand what it means.....and if one does NOT understand, one needs to clarify it with the casino. It is just plain common sense, and I don't see why one player should be held to a different standard than another purely because one player didn't use common sense and/or understand what they were signing up for.

garya (and the members above who high fived).....if anyone has a narrow view of the world, it is you. I know that at least one of you has issues that keeps them at home, which makes the high fiving even more pathetic and hypocritical. Obviously, spending more time than yourselves doing a particular thing makes one "desperate" or "a loser" etc etc...or a "paid shill". Again...who needs to "open their curtains" here?

Gary, I asked you a simple question....that's it. All you had to say was "No". I didn't accuse you of anything. YOu made a song and dance over nothing.

Sorry to the other members for the derail, but I refuse to be "spat at" because I look at things in a different way which conflicts with those who perenially support the player in any dispute....and that's what "high fiving" is the online equivalent of...spitting in one's face...which is why I NEVER do it and never will.

Come on Nifty,

These few members were obviously thanking the post in its entirety and not specifically the part concerning you. I doubt whether they would have considered you so nasty to 'high-five' the bit against you. In fact, I hold them in high regard and am sure that wasn't their intention.

 

[Nifty29]

Come on Nifty,

These few members were obviously thanking the post in its entirety and not specifically the part concerning you. I doubt whether they would have considered you so nasty to 'high-five' the bit against you. In fact, I hold them in high regard and am sure that wasn't their intention.

I didn't expect you to see it my way Chu, but the actual post was quite short and obviously directed at myself (not just the part with my name in it) and it is quite obvious....so much so that Bryan felt he needed to mention it.

Some of those people have been around long enough to know that if a post has personal insults in it, then you shouldn't thank it, lest it appear that they are indeed "high fiving" such personal insults (such as is the case here).

I know for a fact that some of them would do so, and I believe some if not all of them knew exactly what they were doing and how it would be construed. It's even more obvious when gary states "we should just fight rogue casinos and not take jibes at each other" and in the next breath suggests that I'm a paid shill and that "I need to open my curtains"...either those people didn't actually read the post, or I'm on the right track after all.

If some of them didn't mean it to be a high five, then they should consider refraining from thanking posts that might be construed to be insulting. IIRC, that is why Bryan and Max have recommended many times, and IMO it's a good idea. I've read posts that are 99% very good, but I won't thank them because they say something personally insulting.

Anyway, I've said what I wanted to say and I'm not going to derail any further.

 

[just play]

To:

Jasminebed, just play, mimi26, smokeeye, wobble33

Thanking someone's post that has direct personal insults in it is "high fiving".

It's just the same as a group of people standing in front of someone on the street, and one of the group throws an insult and the others go high fiving and yelling "you got OWNED!! and "Yeah cop that hahahah".

Frankly, it is childish and pathetic....but given some of the members involved, not surprising.

All I did in this thread is point out my position in a non-emotional and logical way, as I always do. The fact that is often pisses some people off, usually because it doesn't involve jumping on the "poor player" bandwagon from the off and considers the case from BOTH sides. I could very easily just ignore some facts and take the player's side on every issue like some, and get the pats on the back and the "you tell 'em" comments etc....but I would be doing just that,....ignoring facts.

Even though I stated several times that it sucks, and that it is awful that the player lost $17k, it seems to mean nothing because I dared to point out that the terms and conditions were clear and the player broke them.....the casino COULD pay if it wanted to, but technically it doesn't HAVE to. I also stated the term IS predatory....but that the player accepted it and should expect to be bound by it.

Guess what?....the paragraph above which I reiterated several times is pretty much what Bryan said just before. So when is he going to cop what I copped? I notice he was thanked a lot. Amazing.

Simmo! - I agree and disagree. I don't "jump on the back" of genuine newbs who behave reasonably and actually want genuine advice rather than everyone to take their side. I disagree about having to know about "terminology" to have any clue about what you're signing up to. Surely the onus is on the person reading and accepting the terms to KNOW what they are accepting? Most terms that are breached are actually quite clear e.g. "You may not bet more than 30% of the bonus awarded" (a common breached term) or in this case "If you withdraw before meeting the wagering requirements (which were quite clear) you will forfeit your winnings and bonus". Obviously the last one is a crap term, but I don't see how one has to be a "gambling expert" to understand what it means.....and if one does NOT understand, one needs to clarify it with the casino. It is just plain common sense, and I don't see why one player should be held to a different standard than another purely because one player didn't use common sense and/or understand what they were signing up for.

garya (and the members above who high fived).....if anyone has a narrow view of the world, it is you. I know that at least one of you has issues that keeps them at home, which makes the high fiving even more pathetic and hypocritical. Obviously, spending more time than yourselves doing a particular thing makes one "desperate" or "a loser" etc etc...or a "paid shill". Again...who needs to "open their curtains" here?

Gary, I asked you a simple question....that's it. All you had to say was "No". I didn't accuse you of anything. YOu made a song and dance over nothing.

Sorry to the other members for the derail, but I refuse to be "spat at" because I look at things in a different way which conflicts with those who perenially support the player in any dispute....and that's what "high fiving" is the online equivalent of...spitting in one's face...which is why I NEVER do it and never will.

Well your wrong with me...I was thanking this part of his post....

Hi Again

I was just giving my opinion (which may not be worth much)but just my opinion on what i had read. I do not know Bladefury in anyway. Im from Belfast, Northern Ireland and just thought i would comment on what i had read. I joined the site to read about other peoples experiences with BetFred as i have had a problem with them. I was going to pitch a bitch then I started reading other peoples issues with multiple casino's and realised my problems with Betfred dont compare to what is happening to other people.

Who could this be about? Hmmm, let me think...give me a minute....oh yaaaaaa....MEEEEEEEEE. I have blogged about my disorder, you don't have to say "one of you has issues that keeps them at home". I'm sure most people here know this was about me, you could have used my name.

I know that at least one of you has issues that keeps them at home, which makes the high fiving even more pathetic and hypocritical. Obviously, spending more time than yourselves doing a particular thing makes one "desperate" or "a loser" etc etc...or a "paid shill". Again...who needs to "open their curtains" here?

I'm pathetic and hypocritical because I thanked a part of a post...would you like me to research your answer when someone thanks someones post which includes a jab? You, yourself has said..."when someone thanks a post, they are not thanking every word". I could find one of these posts if you like?

Being a long time member yourself, I have no idea why your getting your panties in a bunch over this??? Seeing as you thank parts of posts yourself. I don't "high five", you can think what you wish, I don't really give a shit.

 

[Nifty29]

Well your wrong with me...I was thanking this part of his post....




Who could this be about? Hmmm, let me think...give me a minute....oh yaaaaaa....MEEEEEEEEE. I have blogged about my disorder, you don't have to say "one of you has issues that keeps them at home". I'm sure most people here know this was about me, you could have used my name.



I'm pathetic and hypocritical because I thanked a part of a post...would you like me to research your answer when someone thanks someones post which includes a jab? You, yourself has said..."when someone thanks a post, they are not thanking every word". I could find one of these posts if you like?

Being a long time member yourself, I have no idea why your getting your panties in a bunch over this??? Seeing as you thank parts of posts yourself. I don't "high five", you can think what you wish, I don't really give a shit.

FWIW....nothing I'm sure....I didn't mention your name because I wasn't sure how many people knew about your illness. I was trying to be sensitive toward you by posting what I knew you would understand but that (I thought) others wouldn't.

You're free to find examples of me high giving personal insults. Just don't post them here please...make a new thread if you must but its already derailed this thread enough.

 

[just play]

FWIW....nothing I'm sure....I didn't mention your name because I wasn't sure how many people knew about your illness. I was trying to be sensitive toward you by posting what I knew you would understand but that (I thought) others wouldn't.

You're free to find examples of me high giving personal insults. Just don't post them here please...make a new thread if you must but its already derailed this thread enough.

It's not an illness, (I'm not sick) it's a disorder.

I would think since I only have one blog and that is what it's about, maybe 60-70% of members know. I don't keep it secret and I'm sure as hell not ashamed of it.

OMG...yes I get YOUR AND YOU'RE mixed up...grow up. You were being sensitive toward me? Hmmm, I must have forgot what pathetic and
hypocritical meant.

(yes, I'm going to make a new thread about you giving high fives...hahahaha)

YOU derailed the thread, no one else.

 

[Nifty29]

It's not an illness, (I'm not sick) it's a disorder.

I would think since I only have one blog and that is what it's about, maybe 60-70% of members know. I don't keep it secret and I'm sure as hell not ashamed of it.

OMG...yes I get YOUR AND YOU'RE mixed up...grow up. You were being sensitive toward me? Hmmm, I must have forgot what pathetic and
hypocritical meant.

(yes, I'm going to make a new thread about you giving high fives...hahahaha)

YOU derailed the thread, no one else.

Forget it. Not worth it.

 

[mimi26]

To:

Jasminebed, just play, mimi26, smokeeye, wobble33

Thanking someone's post that has direct personal insults in it is "high fiving".

It's just the same as a group of people standing in front of someone on the street, and one of the group throws an insult and the others go high fiving and yelling "you got OWNED!! and "Yeah cop that hahahah".

Frankly, it is childish and pathetic....but given some of the members involved, not surprising.

All I did in this thread is point out my position in a non-emotional and logical way, as I always do. The fact that is often pisses some people off, usually because it doesn't involve jumping on the "poor player" bandwagon from the off and considers the case from BOTH sides. I could very easily just ignore some facts and take the player's side on every issue like some, and get the pats on the back and the "you tell 'em" comments etc....but I would be doing just that,....ignoring facts.

Even though I stated several times that it sucks, and that it is awful that the player lost $17k, it seems to mean nothing because I dared to point out that the terms and conditions were clear and the player broke them.....the casino COULD pay if it wanted to, but technically it doesn't HAVE to. I also stated the term IS predatory....but that the player accepted it and should expect to be bound by it.

Guess what?....the paragraph above which I reiterated several times is pretty much what Bryan said just before. So when is he going to cop what I copped? I notice he was thanked a lot. Amazing.

Simmo! - I agree and disagree. I don't "jump on the back" of genuine newbs who behave reasonably and actually want genuine advice rather than everyone to take their side. I disagree about having to know about "terminology" to have any clue about what you're signing up to. Surely the onus is on the person reading and accepting the terms to KNOW what they are accepting? Most terms that are breached are actually quite clear e.g. "You may not bet more than 30% of the bonus awarded" (a common breached term) or in this case "If you withdraw before meeting the wagering requirements (which were quite clear) you will forfeit your winnings and bonus". Obviously the last one is a crap term, but I don't see how one has to be a "gambling expert" to understand what it means.....and if one does NOT understand, one needs to clarify it with the casino. It is just plain common sense, and I don't see why one player should be held to a different standard than another purely because one player didn't use common sense and/or understand what they were signing up for.

garya (and the members above who high fived).....if anyone has a narrow view of the world, it is you. I know that at least one of you has issues that keeps them at home, which makes the high fiving even more pathetic and hypocritical. Obviously, spending more time than yourselves doing a particular thing makes one "desperate" or "a loser" etc etc...or a "paid shill". Again...who needs to "open their curtains" here?

Gary, I asked you a simple question....that's it. All you had to say was "No". I didn't accuse you of anything. YOu made a song and dance over nothing.

Sorry to the other members for the derail, but I refuse to be "spat at" because I look at things in a different way which conflicts with those who perenially support the player in any dispute....and that's what "high fiving" is the online equivalent of...spitting in one's face...which is why I NEVER do it and never will.

Dear Nifty,

I can assure you that I was not 'high fiving' anyone for throwing personal insults at forum members I was thanking him for saying that we should all come together as a community. I have no alliances on this forum either real or imagined and I have no ill feeling towards you or any other forum members. I come here to read and learn about online gaming and have no time or interest in some of the mud slinging that goes on here.

 

[Nifty29]

Dear Nifty,

I can assure you that I was not 'high fiving' anyone for throwing personal insults at forum members I was thanking him for saying that we should all come together as a community. I have no alliances on this forum either real or imagined and I have no ill feeling towards you or any other forum members. I come here to read and learn about online gaming and have no time or interest in some of the mud slinging that goes on here.

Thanks mimi. You're the one that totally surprised me and you've just showed me why.

I agree with community part too.....but if you read it again Gary says we should come together as a community and stop throwing insults at each other.....and then threw insults at me in the next sentence.

Personally, if half a post is demeaning someone, and the the other half is the best post I've seen in years, I still won't thank it, because I don't want anyone to think I agreed with the nasty bit. Obviously some see it different, but IMO its about how it looks, particularly to the person being insulted.

 

[just play]

Ok guys, I've moved the posts where this seemed to be getting derailed and placed them in the attic. In the future, please be aware of how "thanking" a post can be seen as high-fiving. And if there are any personal comments within that post, it may seem as though you are agreeing with that particular comment, even though there are other more valid comments being made.

Let's keep this thread on track. Thank you.

Are you kidding me???

Bryan, lets put 2+2 together....someone writess a post, 5 people thank it...for totally different reasons....then Nifty writes a post saying these words to us....

childish

pathetic

but given some of the members involved, not surprising

if anyone has a narrow view of the world, it is you. I know that at least one of you has issues that keeps them at home
which makes the high fiving even more pathetic and hypocritical. (this is my favorite of course, I'm hypocritical because I can't leave my house, so I must spend every waking hour here)

you made a song and dance over nothing

but I refuse to be "spat at" because I look at things in a different way

spitting in one's face

Now...the posters never said nothing about Nifty, they thanked a post....THEN Nifty gets his panties in a bunch because he's getting "picked on"...

STARTS A POST, DOING SOMETHING WORSE THAN THANKING A POST....calling people out by name, and saying those words above.

THEN you come in and say bla bla bla, don't high five. NOTHING to one of your members who called out posters by name and made a huge post ABOUT THEM???

AGAIN...ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? The thread was derailed by Nifty and Nifty alone!!! ANOTHER BEST PART...Nifty said nothing to the poster who DIRECTLY insulted him.

 

[Jasminebed]

Not sure why my response in the other thread was not moved, but:

It was not my intention to thank an insult, but rather the rest of the post from a new member.

Surely that doesn't surprise many.

Nifty, while I don't agree with you in the original thread, you do have my apology if you felt I was ganging up and insulting you.

I too spend a lot of time here, and it's hard not to get emotionally invested at times.

You managed to make me cry last night. I do my best to conduct myself with dignity here, voice my own views on the issues and leave personalities out of my posts.

I think all our forum members deserve respect, and I don't feel very respected being called childish and pathetic.

 

[wobble33]

nifty

what gets me here is you only high fived the posts off mr b/j and the rep that were agreeing with you. but you didnt high five many more? so lets get this right, if you were wrong or right, you were only going to high five people who agreed with you.

 

[Stovetopp]

nifty

what gets me here is you only high fived the posts off mr b/j and the rep that were agreeing with you. but you didnt high five many more? so lets get this right, if you were wrong or right, you were only going to high five people who agreed with you.

wobble33, why would one "highfive" people you disagree with?

I am late in this conversation, but I only high five those I agree with or if its a good hit on the slots

 

[wobble33]

wobble33, why would one "highfive" people you disagree with?

I am late in this conversation, but I only high five those I agree with or if its a good hit on the slots

read the whole thread. then you will understand him only thanking people that agreed with him. or put another way, the people who stuck up for the casino.

 

[BingoT]

I know how to solve this "highfive" thing.

The Following User Says Thank You to BingoT For This Useful Post:
weesie (Today) harrys99 (Today), wobble33 (Today)

Now Weesie,Harrys99,Wobble33 did you place your hand on it before you Thanked me lol
Have a great day everyone.

 

[KasinoKing]

I've been told off for thanking a post before, and accused of "high-fiving" - and I think that was just ridiculous.
The post did contain a criticism of another senior member here, but that was only one short sentence. The rest of the quite long post contained "useful and informative" content and it was THAT that I was thanking for.
I thought that's what the thanks button was for!

KK

 

[chuchu59]

I know how to solve this "highfive" thing.
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Now Weesie,Harrys99,Wobble33 did you place your hand on it before you Thanked me lol
Have a great day everyone.

Aha palmistry.

 

[Casinomeister]

Seriously people. I don't have the time to monitor the forum and be the school marm. If you are having issues with other members, please deal with it by communicating privately and not letting it spill over into the public fora.

@just play - I hardly read any of the personal referencing between members in this thread. I moved the ones over to here that had nothing to do with the casinoplex issue, and I'm not about to get into a public argument on who was right/who was wrong/what should be thanked/and what shouldn't be. I really should not be investing time with that sort of thing. Life is short, right?

Let's go forward in peace. Thank you.

 

[LaHutti]

 

[just play]

Seriously people. I don't have the time to monitor the forum and be the school marm. If you are having issues with other members, please deal with it by communicating privately and not letting it spill over into the public fora.

@just play - I hardly read any of the personal referencing between members in this thread. I moved the ones over to here that had nothing to do with the casinoplex issue, and I'm not about to get into a public argument on who was right/who was wrong/what should be thanked/and what shouldn't be. I really should not be investing time with that sort of thing. Life is short, right?

Let's go forward in peace. Thank you.

You don't need to argue...(surprised tone, not bitchy tone)


If one poster is going to cry fowl, and you recognize it by talking about "high fives", (make a post about it) but then you don't recognize posters who get shit on (with very demeaning names) for doing nothing wrong...to me you had time.

Yes, life is too short to not have your members thought of as equals. Jesus...one poster came to tears, and you STILL don't say anything in public to Nifty...somethings very very wrong here.

Why don't you just take away the "thanks" button, then no one can get their panties in a bunch.

If you are having issues with other members, please deal with it by communicating privately and not letting it spill over into the public fora.

You mean like Nifty did?

 

[maxd]

"Nifty, be nice!".

There, does that help? Does it make a pinch of coon sh*t worth of difference? No, I thought not.

 

[just play]

"Nifty, be nice!".

There, does that help? Does it make a pinch of coon sh*t worth of difference? No, I thought not.

Well ya, if you said it seriously. Not sarcastically to the people that were really hurt by this. Guess their feelings or membership mean nothing. You really don't get it. Oh well.

I'm done posting in this thread.

Nifty your awesome, your the best member that ever lived, CM would never go on without you...I love you *kiss kiss*...I love when you rank on me, please continue to do so, but can you use even more derogatory names, I really enjoy it. Keep up the good work, you really are the best, your posts are second to none. Please forgive anything I ever said about you, I will never have a go at you again, cuz that's breaking the rules, I couldn't do that to my snuggle bear.

A big "Dating Game" kiss......SMOOCH

 

[Borgie]

"Nifty, be nice!".

There, does that help? Does it make a pinch of coon sh*t worth of difference? No, I thought not.

well actually yes it would help if it was said seriously. I am not taking sides or saying who is right. The facts are Nifty felt he was being attacked personally so he attacked back. Bryan corrected those who upset Nifty but did not correct Nifty. He is of course busy so may not have seen the post. The point is nifty should indeed "be nice" as should we all. So time for a group hug? No! Shake of hands! No! Then time to let bygones be bygones. Tomorrow is another day. Oh and i am Switzerland in all this ok!

 

[Casinomeister]

I think this thread needs to have a fork put into it. I'm not here policing every comment people are making - grown adults should know how to act. I have no favorites, and no one is above the law of spankings, infractions, suspensions, etc. Nifty has had his share, if that makes anyone feel more at ease. And I feel that my time spent policing 40-50 year olds in a gambling forum is a bit ridiculous.

In many cases, people get riled up over a misunderstanding - or whatever. Some of you are taking things way too personal, and some of this is getting blown out of perspective. I said let's keep the peace - so let's keep it. I can't comment on each and every tit for tat. Thank you.