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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Tirilej, Feb 20, 2016.

    Feb 20, 2016
  1. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    The other day I got a sign up offer from an accredited casino. Spam of course and I know, it's pretty common:)

    When it's from a casino accredited here I normally forward the email to a rep here to do what they should do with it. One of the rules for being accredited is this: Must not spam, and must take appropriate actions against any affiliates or any third parties who do spam.

    Most accredited reps and casinos I do trust but not everyone. This was from one I don't know what to think about, so I've never signed up there.
    Instead of talking to the rep I forwarded the email to the casinos support and asked them if they had sent it. This was their reply:

    Thank you for contacting support.

    We apologize for the late reply. The offer below was sent by one of our affiliates and you are more than welcome to take advantage of this offer. If you wish to receive the spins upon registration as well as the bonus, please complete your account registration trough the offer. You are also more than welcome to contact us trough the Live chat !

    Feel free to contact us for any question that you might have. Our Casino Hosts will be more than glad to assist.

    We look forward to hearing from you soon.


    When I told that they were not suppose to condone spam they said the affiliate must have me on his list and I could just unscribe by clicking the unsubscribe link:eek2:

    How to fight spam if the casinos think it's ok that their affiliates spam us?
    I always advice people to not unsubrscribe to a spam email, but instead blocking the sender. Otherwise you'll get a lot more.

    I won't name them more than to Bryan, but how do you treat spam?
    Do you ever take a good offer?
    Do you ever report the affiliate or do you just accept that it's a part of this world?
     
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  2. Feb 20, 2016
  3. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

    Occupation:
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    I'm a Canucklehead
    I think they mean spam by, repeat and incessant emails, not receiving an email offer
    If they badger, complain. If it''s a one or two off, I just delete it
     
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  4. Feb 20, 2016
  5. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Dead against spam as you know but unfortunately in this day and age, trying to eradicate or avoid it is like banging your head up against a brick wall :(

    Every day I check my emails (which I use a lot for work too) each and every e-mail address full of spam, spam and more spam (mostly casinos) clicked every unsubscribe link going but still it flows.

    Gave up letting it bother me now cos I know 'I am fighting a losing battle!'
     
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  6. Feb 20, 2016
  7. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    Never unsubscribe again please. You are just telling them you are home so of course they send you more :)
    Just block the address. Also rapport if it's an accredited one. That's all we can do.

    This time I just tested them, but I don't know if I was surprised by the answer since they do want new customers.
     
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  8. Feb 20, 2016
  9. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    Who are they?
    You mean if it's one offer it's ok, just not repeated from the same?

    Sorry but I don't always understand you :)
     
  10. Feb 20, 2016
  11. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

    Occupation:
    n/a
    Location:
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    I can't speak for Bryan and max, but I'd think when they say spam, they mean as the verb....to spam....not a single email (noun) spam.
    Nearly all accredited casinos have affiliates so it's natural you'd recieve an email and several emails from separate affs. I can''t see that as being reportable or against regulations; rather many email from the SAME affiliate for the SAME property.

    I can flag Bryan and I'm sure he'd be happy to clear it up .:)
     
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  12. Feb 20, 2016
  13. datshowiwoll

    datshowiwoll Experienced Member mm2

    Occupation:
    Equine PR
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I get loads of casino related spam, I just keep clicking on the *report spam* thing in gmail.
    I never open the emails either, just hover over the sender to see if it is really from the Casino in question or not.

    Didn't realise that we should report spam if it is about an accredited casino, but will from now on :thumbsup:
     
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  14. Feb 20, 2016
  15. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

    Occupation:
    n/a
    Location:
    I'm a Canucklehead
    I just move it to junk.
    If several, I block the complete sender and the domain as well.
    If ridiculous amount or outright incorrectly wrong, I report here in cm to the rep to resolve first.
    I don't see it handy but there a thread to the effect 'let's stop the spam' you can name and shame if noone helps you resolve it or ignore outright.
     
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  16. Feb 20, 2016
  17. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I would think an affiliate would like you to join all of his casinos, but that he doesn't send out several more about the same since it's mostly not allowed to spam, and it says so in the rules affiliates agree to when signing up to a program.
    During my years in here I've never thought it could be ok if they just sent a few. I didn't think any spam was ok.

    Most of us do get several a day from different affiliates about different casinos, so it is a few emails too much.

    I will be happy to hear Bryans view on this....and others too of course :)
     
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  18. Feb 20, 2016
  19. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

    Occupation:
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    Location:
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    ps another (and common) option - is set up an email that you only use for casinos. At least you can expect when you open it, it's ONLY casino related material. Some members go as far as to open a distinct email for each casino so as to track where the offending spam is coming from and where their eamils have been migrated or sold to.

    Me - i just send it to one acct - and move the craptacular aff emails to junk or bin or block, leaving the inbox for those casinos sending genuine offers.
     
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  20. Feb 20, 2016
  21. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    1. No
    2a. Yes . 2b. NO!

    Like Jon, I get bombarded daily with masses of spam. despite using Outlook AND SpamFighter to "block sender" - it works for about 50% of stuff, but other crap keeps coming through again and again. I hate it with a passion!
    I don't find it acceptable at all, and if I were god of the internet I would like to get all these spammers on a giant space rocket and send them on a one-way trip to Uranus!

    I often forward the crap to the affiliate program (if it's one I promote on my own websites) and to be fair, the vast majority of them do seem to be able to put a stop to it.

    What I find totally totally unbelievable, is there must be LOADS of idiots out there who actually click on links in spam mails (not just casino spam) - if they didn't, then surely the spammers would be gaining NOTHING for their efforts and stop doing it. This just boggles my mind :eek:

    KK
     
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  22. Feb 20, 2016
  23. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I never forget when I got a spam sms from LuckyDino.
    I went to their chat and asked them how in the world anyone could have got my phone number when I don't even had an account there. Of course it was from an affiliate but since it was my first text message from a casino I didn't know where to turn.

    They told me to give them my phone number so they could check and make sure I never got one again from their affiliates:eek2:

    What if I had done that? Would they had sent an email to all of their affiliates saying ''don't send any sms to this number''. Every single one of their affiliates would suddenly have my number. Maybe no sms about Lucky Dino but every other casino that exists :D

    I have rarily got a phone call, almost no sms, but a few emails too many:rolleyes:
     
  24. Feb 20, 2016
  25. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Well I did start a 'let's stop the spammers' thread but it seems to have died away. We got several affiliate accounts closed via reps between us.

    Just 'grab' the url, take the http off of it and post it. The affiliate ID will be visible and we can report it.

    If anyone else gets the same affy ID/e-mail that can be posted too and cement the case for the account being shut.

    I suspect many casinos, even accredited, DO turn a blind eye! After all, it generates cash and that's why they're in the game.
     
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  26. Feb 20, 2016
  27. zebedy

    zebedy No!!!! Im Spartacus MM webmeister

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    Up a Tree
    What gets me is when i do report it to some of the reps here they just say well give me your email address and ill forward it to the spammer to get you removed from their list :mad:

    Thanks but no thanks.
     
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  28. Feb 20, 2016
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Some businesses think it's not spam if an unsubscribe link is provided, however many feel that it's spam unless there has been a specific opt-in regardless of whether or not there is an unsubscribe link. Long term, the spam issue is causing email to fail as a means of reliable communication because the spam problem has lead to many domains being blacklisted at source, which can result in a blanket blockade of ALL communications, not just those considered spam, and it's a hell of a job for a legitimate sender to get their domain removed from a blacklist, especially when they use an ISP, and the spam blocking service will ONLY communicate with the ISP, not the victim who has been cut off from being able to send any emails.

    When Virgin media changed their email systems, there were quite a few business users who complained that their legitimate mailers and newsletters were not even getting through to their customers' spam folders, and it threatened the survival of their business. This is the best example yet of the pain now being felt by the bulk email business due to them failing to deal with the spam problem resulting from their industry sector. Many customers also complained because they HAD genuinely elected to receive these bulk mailers, and some were very important like online billing and shopping receipts.

    Casino Rewards also suffered as NOTHING got through for months, not even the legitimate offers for registered players. It seems they got punished for failing to get a grip with the spam problem caused by their affiliates being able to send via the same "official" domains as the casino uses for it's own mailers. This has now been fixed and about half my legitimate CR mailers now get through, but almost none of their affiliate spam makes it.
     
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  30. Feb 21, 2016
  31. 5ta

    5ta Experienced Member

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    DTP'er
    Location:
    West Midlands
    Hi, not sure who if anyone has pointed this out but spam is defined as unsolicited email whether it is one or more. There are variants of spam but they are all spam non-the-less. From your post, that counts as condoning spam as they positively encouraged you to act upon the mails intent.

    Unsolicited means you did not ask or give permission to be emailed.

    Employees or reps of casinos should know not to condone it and in the very least should be marked for doing so.
     
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  32. Feb 21, 2016
  33. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    n/a
    Location:
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    Looking at the CM standards, I read it as must not spam..ie, send repeat uncolicited emails...not send 'A' spam.
    I guess we can play semantics all night. I assume it to be not sending repeat unsolicited emails. But then, I may be wrong. Bryan's call here, irrespective of any other's - mine included - definitions

    Marketing Standards
    Must not spam, and must take appropriate actions against any affiliates or any third parties who do spam.
     
  34. Feb 21, 2016
  35. 5ta

    5ta Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    DTP'er
    Location:
    West Midlands
    Sure, however one email in it's entirety, if unsolicited, is spam. Yea, there are spam filters for duplicate emails but that isn't the governing definition of the word.
     
  36. Feb 21, 2016
  37. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

    Occupation:
    n/a
    Location:
    I'm a Canucklehead
    There's only ONE governing definition of spam...Bryan's.
    Mine, yours, the standard is irrelevant. His site, his rules.
     
  38. Feb 21, 2016
  39. syntynyt

    syntynyt kuollut

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    this is how i handle spam. i don't :lolup:
    inbox is full, i clicked on some so theres more than meets the eye and spam folder clears out once a week. once i had 20000 in spam in 7 days. this is mostly because of early casino days when i registered to casinos like dendera, pamper to reedem freechips that they would never pay anyway and that sold my mail to worst defecate spam senders.
    on the other side i have a hotmail on which i registered only to mybet, comeon and betsson. one of those sold that mail too and i get the average of 10 casino related spam a week.
     

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