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Am I Paranoid

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Non-Bonus Issues' started by Yellbird, Aug 11, 2006.

    Aug 11, 2006
  1. Yellbird

    Yellbird Full Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    I started playing Mermaids Millions at (unnamed casino until I get an answer from them) about 2 months ago. I play for $3.75 a spin and in the time I was playing was down about $2000.00. I was not happy but that is gaming. Anyways, I happen to get lucky and won about $3900.00. Everything was normal until I won the $3900.00.

    Right after that as I kept on playing the next few days I could not hit the 3 Scatters. They are not a Jackpot but they do give you a chance because you get $15.00 plus 10 free spins that pay triple. After a while without hitting them I was getting angry and decided to keep playing until I did hit them. To make a long story short I ended up spinning 810 times without getting them. That is spending $3037.50 and never hitting them. I of course didnt lose that much because I did have some decent hits along the way but I still lost about $800. This was Microgaming software and have written a letter to them to see what they have to say. I will then contact the Casino.

    I for one cant believe RNG software could be that out of whack.

    Is the casino able to control this until they recoup some money or is it just me being paranoid? Something seems wrong but if you have never played Mermaids Millions you may not understand the situation.

    I would appreciate some opinions good or bad.
     
  2. Aug 11, 2006
  3. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    From what you say you still seem to be quite a bit ahead. How often do the scatters line up usually? It should just be bad luck that they haven't appeared for so long. Incidentally, there is someone doing well on the Loaded bonus slot at Trident Lounge coming from my site. He wagered over $200k from his $7k+ deposits and more than doubled his money last month. This month he's already wagered and deposited a similar amount and was up another $8k profit this month last time I checked.
     
  4. Aug 11, 2006
  5. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

    Location:
    Haverhill
    You winning the $3900 was out of whack.

    Your subsequent losses are the normal behavior of slot machines.
     
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  6. Aug 11, 2006
  7. Yellbird

    Yellbird Full Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    I would say they probably would come up at least once within $200 of play, sometimes it may be $300 but there are times they come up 2-4 for in $200.
    I cannot remember them never coming up within $300 and that is playing at many differant sites.



     
  8. Aug 11, 2006
  9. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    I'll try and explain it. From what you say there is about a 1% chance of it hitting on each spin (after 100 spins of 3.75 it will likely have happened at least once about two thirds of the time - i.e the chance of it not happening in 100 spins is .99^100 which is about 37%). The chances of it not happening after 800 spins is about 1 in 3000 (.99^800). This is nowhere near as unlikely to happen in your playing career as you will have probably spinned hundreds of thousands of times and in those spins it will be quite likely for a run like that to happen at least once.
     
  10. Aug 11, 2006
  11. NoMouthToScream

    NoMouthToScream Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Employed
    Location:
    USA
    I've encountered spins like that where I didn't hit anything too. Upwards to the thousands. Luckily it was low rolling. Less than .50. It happens. Not very likely though.
     
  12. Aug 11, 2006
  13. tennis_balls

    tennis_balls Dormant account

    Occupation:
    fish n chips promoter
    Location:
    Albuquerque, NM
    the only way to stop that kind of bad luck streak is to set the auto-play for 200 spins and then run naked down your street screaming obscenities at the top of your lungs.......when or "if" you return, the free spins will be waiting.
     
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  14. Aug 11, 2006
  15. Yellbird

    Yellbird Full Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    I just tried again and went 355 spins without hitting them and kept playing and hit them and during the 3 free spins I hit them 2 more times for a total of 30 free spins, guess I am a little spastic. After all that broke even for the night.
    Guess its time to remove my clothes and start running.
     
  16. Aug 11, 2006
  17. Yellbird

    Yellbird Full Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Your last sentence has me a little confused, are you saying it was unlikely to happen but bound to eventuly happen in many thousands of spins.
    I appreciate your knowledge and point of view.




     
  18. Aug 11, 2006
  19. happygobrokey

    happygobrokey Dormant account

    Occupation:
    student of life
    Location:
    canada
    i'm gonna try and explain hehe.

    a run of 800 bad spins or whatever is statistically very unlikely, but over a zillion times such a run may occur as it's random.

    like flipping a coin, in 100 flips you probably won't get a run of 10 heads in a row but after 1000000 flips such a run might well have occurred at some point in the sequence. nothing stops the coin from falling the same way so many times in a row, but it's so unlikely you'd have to flip a long ass time to actually see it happen. like getting dealt a pat royal; not likely to happen on any given session but over 10000 sessions is very likely.

    have i done well? cheers evry1!
     
  20. Aug 11, 2006
  21. Yellbird

    Yellbird Full Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    I agree with you and what is really odd they have given me somewhere around 780 casino points which is 780 dollars and that is when I hit the 3900. I then played a while longer and withdrew the money but had gave up the rest of the casino rewards. Now when I get casino Rewards they deduct them from the ones I gave back, strange world.
    I also agree with you about slots but for whatever resason I seem to do well with that game, if only I would get the self control to quit my session while ahead.



     
  22. Aug 11, 2006
  23. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Software Developer
    Location:
    Denmark
    Chance for hitting feature(scatters) is about 1 to 150 for most of the MG
    slots. So it is not as rare 1 to 3000 event.

    4 times I have ended up over 500 spins before I hit it. My record is about
    650 I think (on Isis).

    Zoozie
     
  24. Aug 11, 2006
  25. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    It would be 1 in 200 chance of going 800 spins without the scatters if the odds were that low (1 in 150 chance per spin).
     
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  26. Aug 11, 2006
  27. johnsteed

    johnsteed Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
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    ***


    While I can certainly understand why "Yellbird" would be wondering what was up going over 810 spins without hitting a bonus feature, I personally had zoomed past the 650 barrier last fall/winter a handful of times (and went past the 850 mark as I recall a couple of times). :rolleyes: It's not as rare as I think many believe it to be, but fairness, I had played TONS of slots at that time... more than I should have been (gulp!). Although I really haven't played much - slots that is - over the past several months, I haven't hit a rough patch like that in quite some time (whew!), and I hope I never do again.


    There's nothing more disheartening for me when playing slots, than waiting just one last time for those "FREE SPINS" to kick in prior to logging-off. Far more times than not, either the big payoff doesn't strike or by the time it does, my credits are really low and the payoff is appalling.


    Steed

    ***
     
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  29. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    North Carolina
    We're going streaking!!!!

    It tastes so good when it hits your lips ... you're my boy, Blue!!! :thumbsup:
     
  30. Aug 11, 2006
  31. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Software Developer
    Location:
    Denmark
    Also remember that the average win in a free-spin feature is much lower than people think.

    In Thunderstruck the average feature win is actually only 35.3*bet size. So if you have played 800 spins without a feature, do not except to be saved by hitting the feature soon. If you want a slot where the average feature win is much higher than this, then I can only think of Isis, but this is of course on the cost of the dry spell between the free spins.

    Zoozie
     
  32. Aug 12, 2006
  33. Yellbird

    Yellbird Full Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Thanks everyone for the information, I would guess the 1-150 sounds accurate or at least pretty close. I am new here and this looks like a nice site. Well i am going to start flipping a coin maybe I'll save my money in the long run, that is until football starts. :notworthy

     

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