ALL US PAYMENT OPTIONS BLOCKED EXCEPT CLICK2PAY

[Some1Somewhere]

I was going thru different links on Western Union and overseas checks and the reason I am finding that most sites are most likely no longer dealing in paper checks is the banking codes outside the US are so different that most banks here arent able to process them. I was looking for a means to get $400 cashed out that doesnt involve me giving my ssn or a credit card!



~Some1Somewhere~

 

[Some1Somewhere]

Interesting story here... Have a read! Not sure where I found this first but I found it rather interesting!

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The Sunday Times January 21, 2007


US Gaming Probe Rocks Top Banks
Jenny Davey



THE US Department of Justice has ordered the worlds biggest investment banks, accountants and law firms to hand over all e-mails, telephone records and papers connected with internet gaming firms as part of an investigation into illegal online gambling in America.
HSBC, Dresdner Kleinwort, Credit Suisse and Deutsche Bank are known to be among the banks that have been issued with subpoenas official requests for information as part of a worldwide hunt to build a case against those who benefited from illegal online gambling.



Britain has been the fundraising centre for many internet gambling companies, with a number of international operators listing their shares in London.

Fortunes were made by the founders of internet gaming stocks, including Party Gaming, 888.com and Betonsports.com, and advisers pocketed huge fees.

The Department of Justice first issued subpoenas in October, only days after George Bush sounded the death knell for Americas $6 billion (3.2 billion) internet gambling industry by signing legislation banning all related transactions. But until now the investigation has been kept secret.

According to City sources, the subpoenas have continued to arrive over the past few weeks.

It is thought that some investors in online gambling companies, including Party Gaming and 888.com, have also been hit with requests for information.

One source said: To say the situation is sensitive is the understatement of the decade. The problem is, even if you know you have done nothing wrong, you have no powers of resistance.

He added: You can quickly go from being a bystander to a target, so even if you are bomb- proof, you have to assume you are subject to hostility.

The source went on: The Department of Justice has taken a shotgun, not a rifle approach in relation to lots of gaming companies and has just asked everyone to hand over all the information they have.

The request could force banks and other advisers or former advisers to the gambling companies to hand over hundreds of thousands of e-mails and files to American investigators.

Another City source familiar with the circumstances said: There is no doubt at all that this situation is escalating. This has definitely got legs.

Another source described it as one of the biggest fishing expeditions ever undertaken by the Department of Justice.

Vast riches were made by the founders of internet gambling companies, including Party Gaming and 888.com. Party Gaming floated with a value of 5 billion in the summer of 2005, propelling it straight into the FTSE 100 index ahead of British household names such as British Airways and ICI. Its four founder shareholders Anurag Dikshit, Vikrant Bhargava, Ruth Parasol and her husband, Russ DeLeon took out 797m and valued their remaining shares at about 3.3 billion. Meanwhile, 888.com, which floated in September 2005 valued at 590m, created another batch of dotcom millionaires, this time among the companys Israeli founders. Avi and Aharon Shaked received more than 10m from selling a quarter of their 70% stake.

The probe by the Department of Justice will spark outrage in Britain, coming so soon after the extradition of the so-called NatWest Three to America.
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UK plc should be really worried about yet another encroachment of American investigators on to British territory. The City is clearly under threat, said one British businessman who asked not to be named.
The subpoenas do not reveal whom the Department of Justice is targeting. But some believe the ultimate goal is to find information incriminating the founders of the online gambling firms.

The inquiry vindicates the City professionals who refused to act for internet gambling firms because of the uncertainty about its legality in America. Banks that have been subpoenaed have lined up lawyers to act for them.

None of the banks involved would comment on the subpoenas. The Department of Justice also said that its policy was not to comment about ongoing investigations.

HSBC advised 888.com, one of the most high-profile internet gambling companies, on its flotation. Credit Suisse advised the original shareholders of 888.com on their strategic options before the flotation. Deutsche is co-broker to Party Gaming, while Dresdner advised on its public listing.

 

[cupojoe]

epassporte

epassporte should be added as a deposit option at more good casinos like microgaming ones. Everyone should email them to add that deposit option. Now its only at subpar casinos like worldwidevegas, casinosilver, etc. I dont see how epassporte would go away since its just a prepaid card. lets support epassporte and ask for it! ( yea i know it has fees but one of the few things left if more casinos would add it) and you can withdraw to epassporte! Well you can at those subpar casinos mentioned above.

 

[gerilege]

...Dresdner advised on its public listing.

Click2Pay has Dresdner bank accounts and its cheques are issued by Dresdner...

 

[REOdeathwagon]

I should have done some more research before I made the post above, as most of it is probably irrelevant. Or has been said before. I played poker for a couple of days, and was not following the forums so much.
Anyway, I found some pretty disturbing information out there related to this subject.

From the Independent Community Bankers of America :

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This was the most creepy one. From the New York Times, May 30, 2003 :
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But a little-noticed provision in the sweeping antiterrorism legislation passed in October 2001, gave federal authorities in such cases the power to seize money that passes through banks in the United States without notifying the foreign government. Most overseas banks maintain what are called "correspondent accounts" in American banks, allowing them to exchange American currency and handle other financial transactions in this country. Section 319 of the Patriot Act, as the legislation that grew out of the Sept. 11 attacks is known, allows federal authorities to seize money from the foreign bank's correspondent account if they can convince a judge that the money deposited overseas at the bank was obtained illicitly.

Information about the seizures has been tightly guarded, and federal judges have sealed the records on most of them. The Justice Department acknowledged two cases in which authorities have seized a total of more than $2 million from foreign banks, but declined to give the total number of seizures.

Law enforcement officials said the Justice Department had employed the new tool in about a half-dozen investigations, seizing money from at least 15 bank accounts. Most of those came in recent months and involved fraud and laundering cases, officials said. Law enforcement officials said some of the seizures have involved money that they suspect was helping to finance terrorism, but they declined to discuss details. Officials also see the measure as a potentially powerful tool in seizing money from drug traffickers.

Charles A. Intriago, a specialist in money laundering law in Miami who publishes Money Laundering Alert, said he considered the Justice Department's new power to seize foreign bank accounts "maybe the most startling provision of the Patriot Act." He said: "It's an awesome power, and it may even go too far because of the diplomatic problems it could cause."

But Mr. Intriago added that he did not fault the Justice Department for considering the new tool in a range of fraud, laundering and drug trafficking cases that are unrelated to their counterterrorism mandate.

"If Congress had wanted this tool to be limited to terrorism, it would have done so," he said. "It didn't."


With the WTO ruling, The 1961 Wire Act, UIGEA, The Patriot Act, and RICO. It is probably best to go ahead and open up the courts to this BS, and see exactly what is and what is not legal for US players.

 

[PackerBacker]

All-Access Prepaid Visa

I was at my local grocery store today and saw a big sign for the prepaid visa card. Initial upfront fee of $9.95 but subsequent funding of the card is free. I thought, oh, what the H*ll, these withdrawal pains are killing me. I bought $200 on the card, phoned in my activation and was funding my casino account in minutes. I did confirm that my casino group is still issuing checks to US customers, by courier, and I can live with that if I have to. So, that is a temporary fix if that helps anyone.

 

[vickie40]

I was at my local grocery store today and saw a big sign for the prepaid visa card. Initial upfront fee of $9.95 but subsequent funding of the card is free. I thought, oh, what the H*ll, these withdrawal pains are killing me. I bought $200 on the card, phoned in my activation and was funding my casino account in minutes. I did confirm that my casino group is still issuing checks to US customers, by courier, and I can live with that if I have to. So, that is a temporary fix if that helps anyone.

Which prepaid visa card did you get if don't mind answering and what casinos are taking them? I ask because I had gotten a Green Dot Prepaid Visa from Walgreens that won't work at the casinos I play at.

 

[winbig]

Which prepaid visa card did you get if don't mind answering and what casinos are taking them? I ask because I had gotten a Green Dot Prepaid Visa from Walgreens that won't work at the casinos I play at.

www.netspend.com

Greendot is useless for gambling. I bought one a couple years ago when they actually still worked, then they changed their T&C to not allow online gambling transactions anymore - about 1 month after I got it. Needless to say, I was pissed! They would even charge you an extra $20 at the time TO USE IT FOR ONLINE GAMBLING - which they wouldn't refund.

 

[PackerBacker]

It was All-Access prepaid visa. I know they sell them online at their website www.netspend.com, but you have to wait until they mail the card to you. If you go to their website and put in your zip code, they will give you a list of merchants where you can buy the cards instantly. I had about 10 merchants within 5 miles, and I live in the boonies of south Texas........BTW, I am playing at Fortune Lounge.:notworthy

 

[katodog]

It was All-Access prepaid visa. I know they sell them online at their website www.netspend.com, but you have to wait until they mail the card to you. If you go to their website and put in your zip code, they will give you a list of merchants where you can buy the cards instantly. I had about 10 merchants within 5 miles, and I live in the boonies of south Texas........BTW, I am playing at Fortune Lounge.:notworthy

Forgive my ignorance but if I bought a netspend card and I want to deposit to a casino,do I just deposit under the credit card option? Also,does it have that 3-digit cvn# on the back?

 

[PackerBacker]

I was just as ignorant too.....I bought the card, called the activation number on the front of the card , and gave them my personal info, including SS #. When I funded my casino account, I went to the Visa/MC option (that's the one we haven't been able to use for years ) and entered the card info, including the 3 digit number from the back of the card. Worked like a charm Hope it helps....Back to Thunderstruck!

 

[winbig]

Forgive my ignorance but if I bought a netspend card and I want to deposit to a casino,do I just deposit under the credit card option? Also,does it have that 3-digit cvn# on the back?

You can put it through as either debit or credit. They both work

 

[oldandboring40]

are the netspend cards still working? i have one on order. from what i gather you can recharge them via paypal without having to go to a retail establishment. why will they work and greent dot wont. think netspend will pull the plug too?

 

[prindi]

I Still Use Netspend!

I have the reloadable card, but at this point it doesn't make any sense to use that as it leaves a paper trail. I view having money in a web wallet such as Netspend a risk in being able to access my money when I wake up the next day. I just pick up the gift cards at the grocery store which is also known as All-Access Visa. The website claims you have to register the card in order for it to be accepted for on online purchases but I haven't registered probably the last 5 or so gift cards and they still work fine on the internet. I register the card in the casino software banking as a debit card that is drawn from Inter National Bank. The last couple days have been a challenge getting to play. Fortunelounge is taking Netpend tonight, but I was getting rejected the last couple days..just about everywhere. I found that Vegas Slot has some great processors as they all went through and it also allowed me to purchase for only $20. The only other casino ( micro) that I was able to purchase was at Roxy and Splendido for the last few days, however I got rejected on all amounts for deposit under $100. which doesn't sit well with me. The different methods to deposit and withdrawal seem to be changing by the minute. I confirm with Vegas Slot and they will do a paper check. Fortunelounge says they will also do a paper check. Now for the confusing part. I called Netspend probably about a week or 2 ago and they said to me on the day I called there were going to be no more ACH in or out as of the day I had called. Then I see in the forums that some people were able to withdraw by into Netspend via ACH. a few days later..

 

[winbig]

I have the reloadable card, but at this point it doesn't make any sense to use that as it leaves a paper trail. I view having money in a web wallet such as Netspend a risk in being able to access my money when I wake up the next day. I just pick up the gift cards at the grocery store which is also known as All-Access Visa. The website claims you have to register the card in order for it to be accepted for on online purchases but I haven't registered probably the last 5 or so gift cards and they still work fine on the internet. I register the card in the casino software banking as a debit card that is drawn from Inter National Bank. The last couple days have been a challenge getting to play. Fortunelounge is taking Netpend tonight, but I was getting rejected the last couple days..just about everywhere. I found that Vegas Slot has some great processors as they all went through and it also allowed me to purchase for only $20. The only other casino ( micro) that I was able to purchase was at Roxy and Splendido for the last few days, however I got rejected on all amounts for deposit under $100. which doesn't sit well with me. The different methods to deposit and withdrawal seem to be changing by the minute. I confirm with Vegas Slot and they will do a paper check. Fortunelounge says they will also do a paper check. Now for the confusing part. I called Netspend probably about a week or 2 ago and they said to me on the day I called there were going to be no more ACH in or out as of the day I had called. Then I see in the forums that some people were able to withdraw by into Netspend via ACH. a few days later..

At some outlets online, they will not accept gift cards. This comes into play if their CC processor finds out there's no address associated with the card.

The problem is that they will attempt to complete the transaction, thus placing these funds "on hold". Visa will keep the funds in this state for 7 days. I found this out the hard way. I had ~$90 tied up because of that BS.

 

[eduun]

why bother with click2pay, they don"t!!!

I.m reading your comments, and I dont know whether to laugh or cry, since click2pay is not making withdrawels to americans, they have disabled the withdrawel button. So your casino can make a payment to click2pay, then what are you going to do with your winning?