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Nifty29

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Topgame and Rome Casino are one and the same. I thought this was common knowledge.

Oh OK. Maybe I'm having a blonde moment.

I always thought top game was the software provider and Rome etc were licensees. I didn't realise they were one and the same. Don't know how I missed that :what:

Well I guess it shows just how confusing and unclear (deliberately I'm sure) the whole arrangement is.

I apologise for giving the wrong information.
 

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Oh OK. Maybe I'm having a blonde moment.

I always thought top game was the software provider and Rome etc were licensees. I didn't realise they were one and the same. Don't know how I missed that :what:

Well I guess it shows just how confusing and unclear (deliberately I'm sure) the whole arrangement is.

I apologise for giving the wrong information.
Maybe it's not common knowledge - I was under the assumption that it was.

You're right about one thing - there is deliberate confusing info throughout this entire thread, and I'm getting pretty fed up with it.
 

vinylweatherman

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Maybe it's not common knowledge - I was under the assumption that it was.

You're right about one thing - there is deliberate confusing info throughout this entire thread, and I'm getting pretty fed up with it.

It's one of those things we "know", but cannot prove directly;)

If Mayflower is running, it suggests that Rome have yet again caved in and reversed it's decision "via Top Game" to kick Affactive off the platform for what it did. It just means they will be back for more later on, and the kinds of people they employed this time will most likely find another hole in their defences now that they have plugged what they think was used this time around.

Now if Rome have forgiven them, why shouldn't they expect players who like Affactive to forgive them too.

If Rome stuck to their guns over this, they may eventually have won over enough players and affiliates to their argument that Affactive play "dirty" to this extent, and should not be dealt with whatever they are offering.

This would also force Affactive to launch their new software ahead of schedule, and we all know what can happen when this is done:D

Jetset has confirmed it is already running at one casino, so there is a chance to check it out in fun mode for anything that looks dodgy, or nicked.
 

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I've made the command decision to close all of the TopGame/Rome casinos accounts. As well as DainelG's from Affactive. There are certain standards that I hold i-Gaming representatives to, and in this situation they (the reps) have fallen short.

I fully empathize with TopGame/RomeCasino's situation with the hacking and DDoS attacks. I wish them success with shutting the culprit(s) down. Unfortunately, I will not allow this forum to be dragged into a slugfest between these entities. Thank you for your understanding.
 

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I've made the command decision to close all of the TopGame/Rome casinos accounts. As well as DainelG's from Affactive. There are certain standards that I hold i-Gaming representatives to, and in this situation they (the reps) have fallen short.

I fully empathize with TopGame/RomeCasino's situation with the hacking and DDoS attacks. I wish them success with shutting the culprit(s) down. Unfortunately, I will not allow this forum to be dragged into a slugfest between these entities. Thank you for your understanding.

On that note if this whole fiasco hasnt been enough to stop people from playing at Rome it should be now, without a casino liason here I wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole.
 

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On that note if this whole fiasco hasnt been enough to stop people from playing at Rome it should be now, without a casino liason here I wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole.

Agreed. It seemed like a lot of people would have their payments stalled from both groups until contacting the reps here, which IMO was pretty shoddy in the first place. But with no casinomeister reps to contact anymore I bet the PABs start coming in hot and heavy.
 

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I've made the command decision to close all of the TopGame/Rome casinos accounts. As well as DainelG's from Affactive. There are certain standards that I hold i-Gaming representatives to, and in this situation they (the reps) have fallen short.

I fully empathize with TopGame/RomeCasino's situation with the hacking and DDoS attacks. I wish them success with shutting the culprit(s) down. Unfortunately, I will not allow this forum to be dragged into a slugfest between these entities. Thank you for your understanding.

I think you have made a good decision :thumbsup:

I would also suggest you consider to update Topgame`s rogue status in order to include recent behavior.

The Rome rep indicated in this thread that TG had an ongoing discussion with you regarding their rogue status. They obviously feel the rogue status is unfair. I think this recent behavior in different forums is a reminder of why they are listed there. This has to be one of the most amateurish public behavior I have ever seen from different I-gaming reps. What makes it even more special is that it includes not only one casino, but several parties and even a software supplier.

I would also include the Morriyen Investments issue. Most of the Topgame based casinos have actually stated on their casino sites that Morriyen Investments is their owner. As stated by the Rome rep in this thread, this is not true. Morriyen Investments is not their owner. Morriyen Investments is "only a name". Regardless of the motives by Topgame/Topgame based casinos, this has been misleading towards their players, affiliates and gaming communities in general (+ banks and maybe regulators). Do a google search and you will see that many different parties have been mislead by this. Even the official Casinomeister warning earlier this month described Morriyen Investments as a group of casinos. I see that the Rome rep is trying to say that this practice is completely normal for US friendly casinos. That is of course not true. Reputable casinos do not lie on their website.
 

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If topgame would pay player winnings if casino closes or just refuses to pay legit winnings the rogue status would be unfair, but at the moment when they run it like the wild wild west , the rogue status is fully justified.
What i mean is that they do not take any responsibility towards the players from the casinos they license.
 

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If topgame would pay player winnings if casino closes or just refuses to pay legit winnings the rogue status would be unfair, but at the moment when they run it like the wild wild west , the rogue status is fully justified.
What i mean is that they do not take any responsibility towards the players from the casinos they license.

Tell me any software that would do that. Especially if the casino goes bust.
The only software lately that has done it was Gale Wind.
 

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Microgaming did that a few years back. Not really sure about the more recent things, but in the past they did just that. Also rival did that , they took over some licencees and paid the players about 2 years ago.
 

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I'm still astonished that the affy members here who have supported and still promote both Rome and Winpalace, regardless of the disgraceful events of the past week, are continuing to be silent on the subject.

Even worse on a personal level, is that I've respected some of them and trusted their advice and opinion. Now its obvious to me that money is more important than ethics, and I'm bitterly disappointed.

Affiliates had the chance to stand up for their players, for honesty and integrity, and for the betterment of the industry as a whole.....unfortunately, it seems the co$t of doing so was too high.
 

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I'm still astonished that the affy members here who have supported and still promote both Rome and Winpalace, regardless of the disgraceful events of the past week, are continuing to be silent on the subject.

Even worse on a personal level, is that I've respected some of them and trusted their advice and opinion. Now its obvious to me that money is more important than ethics, and I'm bitterly disappointed.

Affiliates had the chance to stand up for their players, for honesty and integrity, and for the betterment of the industry as a whole.....unfortunately, it seems the co$t of doing so was too high.

Well I guess money changes everything. That's why there are in the gambling industry in the first place. EARNING money is the ultimate goal.
 

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Well I guess money changes everything. That's why there are in the gambling industry in the first place. EARNING money is the ultimate goal.

There has to be some type of integrity within one's soul that won't allow him/her to want to earn money any way they can.

There is always a way to make money and dirty, rotten, scoundrel money shouldn't be the way for good people.


All money ain't good money, period!
 

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Any Official Statement from Rome Casino or Topgame representative?

1) Everything back to normal?
2) Is GrandMacao and MayFlower back to Topgame?
3) Will Topgame casinos improve their service and payout processing?
4) Any new updates on the software?

Please advice. Thanks.
 

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You love some Top Game casinos lol..I am not sure as I don't play there but there are plenty of members here that would perhaps give you a better answer. I still don't understand the reason anyone would continue to play at any TG given the recent happenings but to each their own I reckon.
 

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Any Official Statement from Rome Casino or Topgame representative?

1) Everything back to normal?
2) Is GrandMacao and MayFlower back to Topgame?
3) Will Topgame casinos improve their service and payout processing?
4) Any new updates on the software?

Please advice. Thanks.

You won't find out here, Bryan locked all their rep accounts. Try the thread linked earlier in this thread. It goes to an affiliate board, and this is where any further official statements are likely to appear.
 

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I'm still astonished that the affy members here who have supported and still promote both Rome and Winpalace, regardless of the disgraceful events of the past week, are continuing to be silent on the subject.
Even worse on a personal level, is that I've respected some of them and trusted their advice and opinion. Now its obvious to me that money is more important than ethics, and I'm bitterly disappointed.
Affiliates had the chance to stand up for their players, for honesty and integrity, and for the betterment of the industry as a whole.....unfortunately, it seems the co$t of doing so was too high.
I guess you are at least partially referring to me in all your posts referring to affys in this thread.
Unfortunately this whole issue blew up while I was away from home visiting my brother and his family in Newcastle since last Friday, and I spent virtually zero time online. I have just finished reading this thread from posts about 4 or 5 days back and to be honest, I'm still as confused now as when it started!
I don't promote Rome on my KK site anyway, and I'm still not sure about Affactive. I believe in "Innocent until proved guilty" and so far I have not seen any concrete proof that Affactive have done anything wrong - only hearsay. The latest posts, where the licence has apparently been restored to Mayflower seems to back that up.

KK
 

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Whilst I obviously respect the sentiment of "innocent until proven guilty" I would think that the reciprocal mud-slinging of the reps from these two outfits here and elsewhere over the life of this disgraceful public fracas would be enough to paste a very large ethical question mark on each.

That said, I'm not an affiliate and perhaps different criteria are applied in that sector...as an observer on the periphery it does not seem to me to have ignited mass indignation among affiliates, although in fairness some have been critical.
 

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Anyone who thinks GoldVIPClub and the Affactive properties are not related via ownership is either having difficulty reading, or is in a state of denial. A few google and domain searches will square you away.

As I mentioned earlier, the i-gaming rep for Affactive had his account closed because he was misleading the forum members willfully about that one topic. IMO, those affiliates who continue to promote those properties either don't care...or they don't care.
 

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I guess you are at least partially referring to me in all your posts referring to affys in this thread.
Unfortunately this whole issue blew up while I was away from home visiting my brother and his family in Newcastle since last Friday, and I spent virtually zero time online. I have just finished reading this thread from posts about 4 or 5 days back and to be honest, I'm still as confused now as when it started!
I don't promote Rome on my KK site anyway, and I'm still not sure about Affactive. I believe in "Innocent until proved guilty" and so far I have not seen any concrete proof that Affactive have done anything wrong - only hearsay. The latest posts, where the licence has apparently been restored to Mayflower seems to back that up.

KK

The problem is, as Bryan pointed out, that the actual attack has almost become a sideshow......the REAL eye-opener is the disgraceful and unprofessional manner is which both sides behaved. The fact that they were all willing to sling crap publicly and squabble like schoolkids should be enough for any ethical affy who genuinely cares about their players to dump them without a second thought.

The other serious issue is the confirmed connection between GoldVIP and affactive. You very well know what the former is all about, so the latter should be also be dumped without a second thought.

You see, its nothing personal KK. It's about professional reputation, and given your past zeal in defending affactive, and your apparent unwillingness to accept that they are connected to the worst of the worst and quite possibly ddos attacks, means that you ARE staking your professional (and perhaps personal) reputation on them, and you are at serious risk of being dragged down with them.

You've spent a long time building a rep for being a fair affy, who is an advocate of fair play and ethical behaviour, and who doesn't see money as their first and only consideration. However, by continuing to support these operators you are showing everyone exactly the opposite. You obviously have a close rapport with danielg, which I'm sure is due to you bringing them good traffic and you making some good coin......and this has, in my mind, explained why you were happy to recommend them to your players regardless of their awful slow pay and terrible max payments. You can explain how I'm totally wrong if you like, but money is the only reason I can think of to explain why you supported them then, and are supporting them now.

The question is....are you willing to sacrifice a few bucks to protect your reputation? It's the question that any ethical affy should have already asked themselves by now, and your lack of action shows that you may have already answered it in your own mind. Unfortunately, if that's the case, you can no longer claim any kind of high road when it comes to ethics and I will always question the motives behind the opinions you offer.

You might think that I'm being a total ass, but I say all this because I've always valued and trusted your opinions and judgements as I've always felt it was never about the money for you. I'm so disappointed to be looking at you differently, and I never thought the day would come that I would. I'd really love you to step up to the plate for the good of your players and the industry, and prove that I am mistaken in my assessment.
 

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Anyone who thinks GoldVIPClub and the Affactive properties are not related via ownership is either having difficulty reading, or is in a state of denial. A few google and domain searches will square you away.

As I mentioned earlier, the i-gaming rep for Affactive had his account closed because he was misleading the forum members willfully about that one topic. IMO, those affiliates who continue to promote those properties either don't care...or they don't care.

I would like to add in a few things for people such as I. To do what is required for searches and such is very confusing to some (including me) . I come here to listen and learn and appreciate any and all input and info given just as this was. It helps a lot to know what others find out and always is appreciated when they share this knowledge without the worrisome part of having to do this kind of searche that one is not very savvy with. I thank you all for this info.


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I would like to add in a few things for people such as I. To do what is required for searches and such is very confusing to some (including me) . I come here to listen and learn and appreciate any and all input and info given just as this was. It helps a lot to know what others find out and always is appreciated when they share this knowledge without the worrisome part of having to do this kind of searche that one is not very savvy with. I thank you all for this info.


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I'm with you, Silc. Although I am not totally lacking in search skills, the extent of searching required to dig up so much info astounds me. And it makes me extremely grateful for so many folks here that do all they can to help the rest of us. :thumbsup:
 

shahran84

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This means Casinomeister really closes Affactive, GoldVIP and Topgame Casino Representatives' forum account here? This means if there's any dispute at their casino, we
can't ask help from Casinomeister? This also means we have to stop playing at these casinos ? I guess I have to close my casino account with them too. hehe :p
 

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This means Casinomeister really closes Affactive, GoldVIP and Topgame Casino Representatives' forum account here? This means if there's any dispute at their casino, we
can't ask help from Casinomeister? This also means we have to stop playing at these casinos ? I guess I have to close my casino account with them too. hehe :p

Why are you being so sarcastic, bordering on rude?
 
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