All TopGames Casinos are Down! DDos Attacks!!

[RomeCasino]

OK, a U.S. company being transparent, offering a helping hand and a member of the Better Business Bureau isn't good enough?

Good luck..

I didn't know that. If Bryan and VWM are ok with you being the one, and will accept your call, then that's fine.

Cheers,

Noah

 

[Nifty29]

OK, a U.S. company being transparent, offering a helping hand and a member of the Better Business Bureau isn't good enough?

Good luck..

As a transparent US company, part of the BBB, wouldn't you have at least an ethical obligation to pass on any information received to the FBI, considering this casino is contravening US laws related to gambling transactions?

I could see why Rome might be shy about giving this stuff to just anyone.

 

[RomeCasino]

From Noah

Since you only need a company name to satisfy the banks, why use Morriyen Investments rather than Synergy, or any other name for that matter. If you are not trying to fool the banks, why not simply have the true owner listed as "owner" on the website? I don't mean their NAMES as individuals, just a holding company set up for the purpose, like Synergy.

Given the nature of the industry, especially the US side, I don't think viewing and reviewing these documents is going to get the results Rome are hoping for. It could in fact make things even WORSE for them, as it could fuel further digging around. I cannot see how anyone could say "innocence proved", as surely the best outcome would be "nothing obviously dodgy found so far".

As for the legal arguments, why are you still banging on about CIVIL action against Affactive. DDoS is a CRIMINAL matter, not a Civil one. This is one for the police, which should quickly deal with the immediate problem. Only THEN do you start preparing a civil claim for damages, adding to it anything that comes out of any criminal actions. If the police got involved, I expect those involved would run for cover, and the DDoS would cease. Other "black hat geeks" would be reluctant to take over whilst knowing that international law enforcement were looking into the matter.

Hi VWM,

Company name - Morriyen was used, at the time, to do processing for a few TG casinos, not just us, so we couldn't put our name above others since we don't own them. It was a neutral name to do processing with at the time.

Docs - What else can we do? How else can we prove this?

Legal - I agree with you completely and we have begun doing just so.

Kind Regards,

Noah

 

[vinylweatherman]

I didn't know that. If Bryan and VWM are ok with you being the one, and will accept your call, then that's fine.

Cheers,

Noah

I say let him have a go, just make sure he isn't a mole planted by the DoJ

P. V. is trying to launch a service to help players with the problem of having to send their documents via email to numerous casinos, but has found it near impossible to get operators interested, and players are not going to be interested until operators accept them using this type of service to provide documents. This does at least give him some experience from the operator side of the industry, as well as the player side. He has been reprimanded for "blowing his own trumpet" in the past, which is why you were unaware of his credentials when he offered to help.

See if Bryan is happy with this too.

Perhaps if P. V. gives an opinion having done some of the work, Bryan may be prepared to review this opinion along with the documents (less work), provided doing so is relevant to players and affiliates, and information that might need reviewing on the website.

I don't have much on an incentive to put too much effort in because I don't play at any Top Game casinos, nor would I go anywhere near an Affactive one. Although I struggle to believe the story posted by Rome, I also don't believe a word of Affactive's denials and pleas of innocence. I don't even believe they proved anything with that screenshot alleging "affiliate shaving of high depositing players", it could just be that those players went direct, not through an affiliate.

If Affactive think they are off the hook, they are sadly mistaken.

 

[RomeCasino]

From Noah

I say let him have a go, just make sure he isn't a mole planted by the DoJ

Ah......

 

[P.V.]

Ah......

Why has this shifted off point? I retract my help for your company Noah as you show NO concern in your reply.

BTY - The DOJ stuff is laughable and I'm disappointed you even brought this up VM. Why would you??

So now I'm a DOJ agent everyone, beware..

 

[vinylweatherman]

Why has this shifted off point? I retract my help for your company Noah as you show NO concern in your reply.

BTY - The DOJ stuff is laughable and I'm disappointed you even brought this up VM. Why would you??

So now I'm a DOJ agent everyone, beware..

It's not as laughable as you think. Remember, many busts have been based on using undercover players to gather information on part of the processing process, and they followed this by running a fake processing company for 2 years. Linwood would probably have been running longer (and US players getting paid for longer) because one department jumped the gun and made some busts, thus exposing Linwood rather earlier than the other agency would have liked. Had Linwood lasted longer, the eventual "black Friday" would have been blacker still.

I am sure there are STILL a number of DoJ agents posing as players, but secretly gathering intelligence along the way. The first anyone will know of it is when the next bust is made, or indictment unsealed.

Rome seems prepared to reveal some of it's best kept secrets in order to prove a point to a FORUM! Many operators have indicated that they are VERY careful about who gets to see this information, and wouldn't even show it to Bryan, let alone other members of the forum.

If we are on the wrong track, so are the DoJ, because they will have agents scouring the forums as well as posing as players.

 

[Gremmyboy]

I truly understand Noah's position here. He is fighting hard to vindicate his company and protect his and his companies employees livelihoods. I would do the exact same if put in this position.
I do however feel that he has let his emotion take over from tact. Once again, I probably would've done the same(We're all human after all and are passionate about protecting our own interests).
Noah I really believe the best course of action would be to let the dust settle for a few weeks and then come back to this thread with a new perspective not biased by emotion.
Continued posting risks you creating the impression that you are trying to put a spin on the events and dig yourself and your company out of the hole that has been created by recent events.
As odd as it sounds I truly believe that silence on this matter will help your position much more than continued explanations will ever do. The more posts that are being created about this subject the harder it is for this thread to die off! Given time members here will come to their own conclusions and if truly innocent I'm sure that you will be vindicated in the end.


Respectfully
Gremmy

 

[shahran84]

Oh my, why are you all so fierce .. :x Looks like Casinomeister got alot of fierce gangsters huh

 

[4 of a kind]

I could picture a whole group of DOJ agents laughing their asses off this morning. The threads created all over the internet this weekend about this issue is just an indication of how ignorant the operators are that everyone is trusting with their money. If operators are stealing from each other, making threats and ransom demands amongst themselves, one could only imagine where the players fit in.

I do have one question about all this. Where are the regulators and what are they doing or have to say about this issue? This issue should have been reported immediately to them. Both of these company's and all of their interests should have immediately been frozen till the regulators sorted it all out. Surely there must be some type of regulation in place to protect the operators from each other.

 

[Casinomeister]

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I do have one question about all this. Where are the regulators and what are they doing or have to say about this issue? This issue should have been reported immediately to them. Both of these company's and all of their interests should have immediately been frozen till the regulators sorted it all out. Surely there must be some type of regulation in place to protect the operators from each other.

This pretty much proves that there is no regulation for these entities - this is pretty much a moot issue. Could you imagine a Ladbrokes DDoS attacking Betfair, or Fortune Lounge going after Referback? It's unthinkable. But in this situation, we are not dealing with a Playtech or MGS powered entity - it's coming apparent who and what we are dealing with.

I've run this site for over 13 years, and I have never witnessed such a cowboy-town shoot-em-up. It's become pretty clear to everyone why these things can happen - a lack of proper regulation and safe secure hosting.

Can someone remind me what I was supposed to look at? This thread has gotten awfully long.

 

[Pinababy69]

Can someone remind me what I was supposed to look at? This thread has gotten awfully long.

Delve into Affactive's (Winpalace, etc.) relationship/ties to Gold VIP Club? You mentioned late on Friday that you had given DanielG the opportunity to respond to the allegations, made by both Rome/Topgame, and some posters in this thread. So far, not a word from him. Earlier in the thread, I posted links to a couple of older threads where this has been discussed in more detail. DanielG had previously denied any ties...however, has never given any reason as to why the support live chat, email and telephone is the same for both. Also, upon looking closer over the weekend, they have some VERY similar terms on their websites, in relation to this whole "player class" thing, which determines the amounts paid out weekly...as well as some other similarities in the way things are written.

What would ya do without me? Besides have some peace I mean....ha ha.

 

[Webzcas]

This pretty much proves that there is no regulation for these entities - this is pretty much a moot issue. Could you imagine a Ladbrokes DDoS attacking Betfair, or Fortune Lounge going after Referback? It's unthinkable.

Exactly. Indeed when I worked for Ladbrokes in Gibraltar, just prior to me leaving, we had a big meeting with all the operators on the Rock in 888's ( Cassava's ) meeting room along with Gibtelecom ( Now Gibconnect ) with regards putting in place the necessary infrastructure to ensure DDoS mitigation was in place. All operators, competitors, working together and sharing the financial burden so their individual setups were and are continually protected against DDoS attacks.

 

[Casinomeister]

Delve into Affactive's (Winpalace, etc.) relationship/ties to Gold VIP Club? You mentioned late on Friday that you had given DanielG the opportunity to respond to the allegations, made by both Rome/Topgame, and some posters in this thread. So far, not a word from him...

I had asked Danielg several times what the connection is between Affactive and GoldVIPClub casino - and he denies everything. "Affactive works and represents only these 5 brands that are in my signature. Nothing more." So there you have it. He denies any affiliation.

If he was affiliated, would he admit it? No, I think he would find every possible way to come out "non-connected." It's sort of like when Clinton was asked whether or not he had sex with that woman, and he categorically stated "no" wagging his finger at everyone "I did not have sex with that woman." Technically he was right. Oral sex is not coitus and he felt that the questioning pertained to what sex is. So what is "is"?

This is the same thing - Affactive technically has nothing to do with GoldVIPclub. Affactive markets the Affactive brands like Daniel said. Whether or not these brands are owned by the same guy who owns GoldVIPClub, I'm sure you can figure that out for yourself.

I'm sure that the real owner of Affactive would have contacted me by now to squelch any damaging rumors. So far - nada.

 

[chayton]

In that GPWA thread, one of the Top Game guys said:

...the attacker does not only own and manage several online casinos and a fairly known affiliate program, but has also recently launched his own gaming software.

His own gaming software...? I never played at Gold VIP, is that what this was referring to?

 

[vinylweatherman]

In that GPWA thread, one of the Top Game guys said:



His own gaming software...? I never played at Gold VIP, is that what this was referring to?

I think this referred to a new software that would replace Top Game for a couple of his brands that were using it. Since he was about to attack Top Game with a view to cripple them, he had to have an exit strategy lined up to limit the inevitable collateral damage done to his own brands. Although Top Game pulled his license, this only means a temporary loss of part of his portfolio until they can reopen under this new software.

Maybe he expected Top Game and Rome to roll over and pay up as they have done before, so was wrong footed when Top Game pulled the plug on a couple of his casinos instead. I would have expected the casinos to have moved over to the new software, and THEN the DDoS attack to have been unleashed.

If this same guy controlled the team that wrote this new software, I wouldn't trust it in the slightest to be fair and random.

I thought Gold VIP Club was RTG, but I have never played there. For a start, it is hard to pin down as it can't make up it's mind what it's called, with emails coming from numerous named casinos, although most have at least two of the words "Gold" "VIP" "Club" and "Casino". I think I have seen "Lounge" a couple of times, and maybe they are behind this recent appearance of "Kings" along with their trademark words.

At least they haven't phoned me, maybe down to that phone number they bought off Virtual/Crystal Palace being the one bound to the cable TV and Internet service, rather than the main landline that I use for reputable casinos. When I put a phone on it, the ringer is switched off, something I did a while back because I was inundated with junk calls shortly after giving it as my number at Crystal Palace, and then VIP Lounge, when I was checking them out to see if I could catch them out

 

[jetset]

In that GPWA thread, one of the Top Game guys said:



His own gaming software...? I never played at Gold VIP, is that what this was referring to?

The allegation was that the software company owned by Affactive was titled Game Scale...I think the sole licensee is Conan Casino.

 

[Diane]

The allegation was that the software company owned by Affactive was titled Game Scale...I think the sole licensee is Conan Casino.

I am most impressed and amazed at the wealth of information and research that has been done by members of this forum.

Simply amazed.

Diane

 

[Nifty29]

The allegation was that the software company owned by Affactive was titled Game Scale...I think the sole licensee is Conan Casino.

I've been getting spam from this casino for weeks.

Explains why

 

[Seventh777]

At least they haven't phoned me, maybe down to that phone number they bought off Virtual/Crystal Palace being the one bound to the cable TV and Internet service, rather than the main landline that I use for reputable casinos. When I put a phone on it, the ringer is switched off, something I did a while back because I was inundated with junk calls shortly after giving it as my number at Crystal Palace, and then VIP Lounge, when I was checking them out to see if I could catch them out

I used to intentionally spell my 1st name wrong (Royy) to catch them out, you`d be surprised at the array of spam you can directly link to a casino selling your details, loan sharks, surveys, even those annoying key-logger carrying spam mails that are MMORPG related, and taking a gamble that you play the game they are accusing you of breaking the EULA with

 

[shahran84]

Looks like all topgame casinos are up and running! This goes to grandmacao and mayflower casino (from Affactive). Looks like they are still partnering after all ?
Is the matter resolved? Is Affactive and Topgame Rome Casino become good friends already?

 

[P.V.]

Looks like all topgame casinos are up and running! This goes to grandmacao and mayflower casino (from Affactive). Looks like they are still partnering after all ?
Is the matter resolved? Is Affactive and Topgame Rome Casino become good friends already?

Not sure, mabe just a retreat.

 

[Nifty29]

Looks like all topgame casinos are up and running! This goes to grandmacao and mayflower casino (from Affactive). Looks like they are still partnering after all ?
Is the matter resolved? Is Affactive and Topgame Rome Casino become good friends already?

Whether affactives top game casinos are up and running has nothing to do with Rome. It would have been a decision by Top Game themselves.

I doubt the bad blood will ever cease.

 

[jetset]

I am most impressed and amazed at the wealth of information and research that has been done by members of this forum.

Simply amazed.

Diane

It's something that many of the operators and even some affiliates fail (frequently at a cost) to realise - that players working in unison and pissed off by bad behaviour and BS are a formidable force with a massive range of experience and qualifications in all sorts of fields.

The message is don't presume that the player community is either stupid or lacking in facilities to dig up all sorts of information.

 

[Casinomeister]

Whether affactives top game casinos are up and running has nothing to do with Rome. It would have been a decision by Top Game themselves.

I doubt the bad blood will ever cease.

Topgame and Rome Casino are one and the same. I thought this was common knowledge.