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Whenever there are situations like this why do people play the `Why would XXXXXX do this when it affects them also` card?, Hitler`s henchmen setting fire to the Reichstag then blaming the Commies is a huge pointer here. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the war, no matter what the cost.
 

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I've moved the Grand Prive - I mean Royal Prive postings here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/royal-prive-issues.47526/

Please keep this thread on trrack - thank you.


This means Casinomeister really closes Affactive, GoldVIP and Topgame Casino Representatives' forum account here? This means if there's any dispute at their casino, we
can't ask help from Casinomeister? This also means we have to stop playing at these casinos ? I guess I have to close my casino account with them too. hehe :p
You shouldn't need to ask me for help. The casino feels that their support can handle any matter. I am not their casino support. Please refer any issues to them. It doesn't mean you need to close your accounts - all it means is that you need to use their support.
 

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I'm not sure I follow you....

Without opening to much of a big can of worms i`ll do my best to elaborate, there are/were accusations being tossed around here and other sites as to whom were responsible for this, and in their defence many have stated that those accused also have sites using the same software, as we know there are not many options available to the Americans etc to play at, if you could take out one of these options even though you have a site using the same software, but, have several more not using the same software and readably available, there is a fair chance you have just increased your customers many-fold.

Hope that explains it better ;).
 

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Bryan, any reply from danielg about the link between affactive and GoldVIP?

I'm assuming the initial silence probably confirms it.

Anyone who plays at Winpalace etc after knowing this, regardless of any other events in the past few weeks, is totally nuts and is personally supporting rogues of the worst kind. Same goes for affiliates (of which only a handful have come forward and announced they are severing ties with them). As someone stated earlier, no affiliate can promote these guys now and claim to be ethical and looking after players interests.
 

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Same goes for affiliates (of which only a handful have come forward and announced they are severing ties with them). As someone stated earlier, no affiliate can promote these guys now and claim to be ethical and looking after players interests.

Consider it from another angle. Many affiliates post here with their sites linked in their signatures. If you were doing that, would you post publicly here that you were dropping them and risk getting DDOS'd by a gang of criminals?
 

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Consider it from another angle. Many affiliates post here with their sites linked in their signatures. If you were doing that, would you post publicly here that you were dropping them and risk getting DDOS'd by a gang of criminals?

I see what you're saying, but there are affiliate members here who are happily continuing to promote them.

If they don't want to announce it or make a public statement etc then fine, but the links can still be removed without doing any of that. Unless of course you're suggesting that affiliates should continue to promote these casinos out of fear of attack? If so, you're talking about extortion, albeit implied. No, these guys will be bending over backwards to keep the affiliates happy....there is no way they would attack an affiliate and risk alienating the whole affy community. It would cost them too much.

I guess it also shows how using signatures for free advertising has its drawbacks. If a member doesn't want their personal opinions to affect their business they shouldn't provide the connection in the first place.

Anyway, none of this really matters, as affys who continue to promote them are supporting the disgraceful business practices and lack of ethics that both Rome and affactive have displayed. Using fear of a non-existent threat would be a total cop-out.
 

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I see what you're saying, but there are affiliate members here who are happily continuing to promote them.

If they don't want to announce it or make a public statement etc then fine, but the links can still be removed without doing any of that. Unless of course you're suggesting that affiliates should continue to promote these casinos out of fear of attack? If so, you're talking about extortion, albeit implied. No, these guys will be bending over backwards to keep the affiliates happy....there is no way they would attack an affiliate and risk alienating the whole affy community. It would cost them too much.

Not at all. I think the wise course of action is to remove them with as little fuss as possible.

I guess it also shows how using signatures for free advertising has its drawbacks. If a member doesn't want their personal opinions to affect their business they shouldn't provide the connection in the first place.

My thinking exactly, and aside from that I find posting at a site and using links in your signature to try to entice people to your own site to be a little rude I guess.

Anyway, none of this really matters, as affys who continue to promote them are supporting the disgraceful business practices and lack of ethics that both Rome and affactive have displayed. Using fear of a non-existent threat would be a total cop-out.

Agreed that affiliates should not be promoting either of these groups. I disagree that the threat of attack is non-existant given that a couple of affiliates claim to have been attacked by these people before in the GPWA thread.
 

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Purely from player standpoint , affactive has always paid out winnings, and it has not been officially proven that goldvipclub is part of affactive. I might be absurd, but i continue to play with affactive RTG brands , atleast until they are proven rogue. The same cannot be said for romecasino who runs over 50% of topgame casinos. Now over 80% when mayflower lost the licence. To be honest i dont know if there are any other topgame casinos left then different rome brands andthe more reputable box24, blackdiamond, spartanslots group. Rialto claims not to be part of rome, but the terms are about exact and the money goes to rome, so i believe they still are because the money goes to rome if you deposit there. Also the rome rep noah was the only one who got the players paid. Withouth his help the player would just be given excuses, and not paid, i have seen this here, aswell as number of other boards full of posts of nonpayment, where noah has always gotten the players paid.

Oh yes, almost forgot the winward group, but id pass on them too because of past issues. Don't know if there are any current ones.

Even though the whole mess with affactive and rome/topgame has been absurd i think the rep:s should be able to stay here, because in case of nonpayment or problem they can help, and support can not ;( , as long as they don't keep this board as their personal kindergarten accusing each other.
 

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Purely from player standpoint , affactive has always paid out winnings, and it has not been officially proven that goldvipclub is part of affactive. I might be absurd, but i continue to play with affactive RTG brands , atleast until they are proven rogue. The same cannot be said for romecasino who runs over 50% of topgame casinos. Now over 80% when mayflower lost the licence. To be honest i dont know if there are any other topgame casinos left then different rome brands andthe more reputable box24, blackdiamond, spartanslots group. Rialto claims not to be part of rome, but the terms are about exact and the money goes to rome, so i believe they still are because the money goes to rome if you deposit there. Also the rome rep noah was the only one who got the players paid. Withouth his help the player would just be given excuses, and not paid, i have seen this here, aswell as number of other boards full of posts of nonpayment, where noah has always gotten the players paid.

Oh yes, almost forgot the winward group, but id pass on them too because of past issues. Don't know if there are any current ones.

Even though the whole mess with affactive and rome/topgame has been absurd i think the rep:s should be able to stay here, because in case of nonpayment or problem they can help, and support can not ;( , as long as they don't keep this board as their personal kindergarten accusing each other.

Bryan said he knows GoldVIP and Winpalace/affactive are the same people. If you don't believe it, that's your call, but the fact remains.

Anyone who plays at either of them, or promotes them, has rocks in their heads imo and are supporting and condoning unethical conduct.
 

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I am somewhere in between on this nifty. Yes bryan said they are the same, but on the other hand every affactive.com listed casinos (not goldvipclub, never played there) has always paid out my player winnings. I should propably move on to other properties, so you guys cannot say i told you so if they start not to pay.
What comes to affiliates, i think some of them are promoting them until they get a bad experience/complaint from player. I think it would be most unethical to promote a casino who does not pay out, but the casinos have been paying out players , atleast until for now.
 

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Well I have been digging a bit. I have very little trust in either of these operators so I wanted to see if this GoldVipClub link could be proved.

First we have the fact that GoldVipClub and WinPalace used to be hosted together.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rogue-goldvipclub-winpalace.36817/

This is not longer the case. GoldVipClub.com now resolves to an IP belonging to Prolexic which is a company that assists websites in resisting DDoS attacks, so it looks like they are attempting to protect themselves.

And they had the same support staff, at least at one time, if not still today:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/is-winpalace-secretly-related-to-goldvip.39134/

Looking at the ownership quoted on the GoldVipClub website since it appeared in 2007 reveals these names:

Ilforno Management Ltd. (Remember this one...)
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Erpefa Trading Ltd, Cyprus. This is the current info, and has been since a few weeks after the site was first archived in 2007.
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For WinPalace it started as Regalbar Ltd, UK.
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Slots Jungle started with Lodolia investments ltd, Cyprus.
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Now WinPalace, Slots Jungle, and Casino Titan say they are owned by Netad Management, Curacao, and they are trying to hide this from search engines by only listing the company name using an image on the website. Unfortunately they forgot to do this on the MayFlower Casino website as it is in text on the T&Cs page. GG guys!


So I searched a bit on the UK registered companies and found some interesting info.

First Regalbar Ltd: Link Removed (Old/Invalid)
Scroll down and you will see that the current Director is "Mr John Avery". Clicking his name reveals that he is also a director of Entersa Ltd.

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It is interesting that both companies regularly change their directors. They have the following names in common at various times:
John Avery
Christopher Engeham
Irakli Manasherov

More interesting bits:

Entersa Ltd - 20/06/2008 - APPOINTMENT TERMINATED DIRECTOR NAPHTALI GOLDMAN.

That name sounds familiar. Sure enough this is the ex-owner of rogue RTG Lucky 18 Casino that was arrested in Israel and later acquitted of various offences related to his casino. I had the mis-pleasure of meeting him once where he made it clear he was happy for affiliates to spam, blackhat and "do whatever you've got to do" (in his words) to bring players to his casino. Anyway, I digress.

Entersa Ltd - 15/07/2010 - CORPORATE SECRETARY'S CHANGE OF PARTICULARS / ILFORNO MANAGEMENT LTD / 01/10/2009

Bingo. Remember GoldVipClub originally printed on its website that it was owned by Ilforno Management. The directors of Regalbar Ltd and Entersa Ltd are the same, and have been for a few years. WinPalace used to print that they were owned by Regalbar Ltd.

I'm sure there could be more useful info found by paying to read those company filings but I don't need to see any more. I am convinced that not only are GoldVipClub and the Affactive casinos related through ownership, but they are also linked to the old rogue casino Lucky 18.
 
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Awesome post Zanzibar...wish we still had the "Nominate Post" function, as I would be nominating yours. I had done some cursory searches, via Whois, etc. But you just saved me a whole lot of time and trouble. There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind (not that there ever has been) that GoldVIP and Affactive, are linked.

Clever wording by DanielG, earlier in the thread, when he vehemently denies that AFFACTIVE itself has any other casinos besides those listed. Well, sure....GoldVIP "technically" isn't part of Affactive...it has its own affy program. But ownership itself? Whole different can of worms.

This thread is a perfect example why some of us players are so determined to know the ownership of certain casinos, and which ones are linked to one another. Even if a certain casino is considered to be "reputable" by some standards...it may somehow be linked to another casino, that is considered rogue. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to play at the reputable place under those circumstances, knowing that any money I donate, would eventually be lining the coffers of the rogue joint as well.
 

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Name changes, revolving doors at the boardroom.

Well, what came out of the heated debate with Rome about Merriyen Investments? "It's just a name - has zero staff....... etc.....". It seems clear that Affactive and Gold VIP are using this "just a name", and making sure they stay hidden by constantly moving "fronting" from one obscure company to another, regularly changing directors and location, etc.

They have been caught out because in enacting this "revolving door" method, the same small group of directors have popped up, albeit briefly in some cases, at all these "unconnected companies", thus proving the very connections they were so keen to hide.

Now it seems we have evidence of links into "the criminal underworld".
 

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I hope everything back to normal. It's confirmed by the Grand Macao Casino and MayFlower Casino that they are not operating their topgame casino platform anymore.
I was lucky to get paid even though they are no longer operating the casino or taking deposits. What a pity, both of the casino offers good bonuses! Will miss both of them.

It looks like Rome Casino rules and dominates Topgame Platform!

Rome 1 - 0 Affactive :p
 

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I hope everything back to normal. It's confirmed by the Grand Macao Casino and MayFlower Casino that they are not operating their topgame casino platform anymore.
I was lucky to get paid even though they are no longer operating the casino or taking deposits. What a pity, both of the casino offers good bonuses! Will miss both of them.

It looks like Rome Casino rules and dominates Topgame Platform!

Rome 1 - 0 Affactive :p

If you think that Rome are a better choice than affactive, then you havent been reading very carefully.

Stay away from both of them unless you enjoy having your money held hostage.
 

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I hope everything back to normal. It's confirmed by the Grand Macao Casino and MayFlower Casino that they are not operating their topgame casino platform anymore.
I was lucky to get paid even though they are no longer operating the casino or taking deposits. What a pity, both of the casino offers good bonuses! Will miss both of them.

It looks like Rome Casino rules and dominates Topgame Platform!

Rome 1 - 0 Affactive :p

Rome may dominate as the primary owner of sites licensed to run Topgame software, but I wanted to clarify what was said previously by Bryan ----- Rome doesn't own Topgame. It just licenses their software. That's what I was told by their Operations Manager.

However, by default I think there are very few other sites running Topgame, so Rome Partners sites may be top dog.

FWIW,
Diane
 

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Rome may dominate as the primary owner of sites licensed to run Topgame software, but I wanted to clarify what was said previously by Bryan ----- Rome doesn't own Topgame. It just licenses their software. That's what I was told by their Operations Manager.
Eh? No, what I said was this:

Topgame and Rome Casino are one and the same. I thought this was common knowledge.

And I honestly thought that everyone knew this, but I was wrong (that everyone knew). The moderators and I knew that the Topgame rep and Rome casino were using the same computer in the forum for quite some time. I figured the GPWA, CAP, and Affiliate Guard Dog forums were aware of this - and subsequently their affiliates as well. I guess I should have sent out a questionnaire before assuming things. Oh well, guess that's what happens when you assume...

But this is one of the reasons I shut down their forum accounts. I'm tired of the games, and tired of the forums being exploited by a handful of casino reps.
 

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rome, diceland and "topgame" are the same? i didnt knew that
i knew that was not acredited casinos in topgame software, that rome and diceland was the same, but i thought that they were a group using the topgame software and not the same.....
this is knew for me, but is good to know and we are allways learning something

Eh? No, what I said was this:



And I honestly thought that everyone knew this, but I was wrong (that everyone knew). The moderators and I knew that the Topgame rep and Rome casino were using the same computer in the forum for quite some time. I figured the GPWA, CAP, and Affiliate Guard Dog forums were aware of this - and subsequently their affiliates as well. I guess I should have sent out a questionnaire before assuming things. Oh well, guess that's what happens when you assume...

But this is one of the reasons I shut down their forum accounts. I'm tired of the games, and tired of the forums being exploited by a handful of casino reps.
 

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Eh? No, what I said was this:



And I honestly thought that everyone knew this, but I was wrong (that everyone knew). The moderators and I knew that the Topgame rep and Rome casino were using the same computer in the forum for quite some time. I figured the GPWA, CAP, and Affiliate Guard Dog forums were aware of this - and subsequently their affiliates as well. I guess I should have sent out a questionnaire before assuming things. Oh well, guess that's what happens when you assume...

But this is one of the reasons I shut down their forum accounts. I'm tired of the games, and tired of the forums being exploited by a handful of casino reps.

Sorry for misquoting you, not my intent. I took your statement to mean that they were one and the same. Rome doesn't own TopGame and Topgame doesn't own Rome - is what I was told.

Diane
 

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Rome doesn't own TopGame and Topgame doesn't own Rome - is what I was told.
Sure, that may be true. I just find it odd that Topgame and RomeCasino used the same computer in the forum. That's all. No biggie I guess.
 

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Sure, that may be true. I just find it odd that Topgame and RomeCasino used the same computer in the forum. That's all. No biggie I guess.

In your shoes with that knowledge, I would find that VERY "odd" also. But I agree with you, no biggie. Obviously its a verycloserelationship......

Diane
 
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