All Star Slots (Club World) anyone else?

[KasinoKing]

It's like me asking you, as an experienced and respected affiliate and webmaster, to provide all info as to how many accounts paying you have and what your monthly take is from CW in order to determine the credibility of your post.

You can ask... but I may not tell you!

As it happens, CWC sort of sucks compared to most other operators because they have Negative Carry Over - which means when my players win in a month I have to wait until they lose the same amount back before I start earning anything again. (I only promote one other RTG operator who have this - iNetBet)
This means I have gone many months or even literally YEARS earning nothing from some of their brands. e.g. for High Noon I have only earned commission in TWO months since January 2013 and a few of their others are not far behind that!
Just shows that SOME players are winning!

My comments on the forum about CWC or anyone else are never influenced by my relationship or earnings with the operator - they are just my personal honest opinion, regardless.

KK

 

[EbeeDog]

You can ask... but I may not tell you!

As it happens, CWC sort of sucks compared to most other operators because they have Negative Carry Over - which means when my players win in a month I have to wait until they lose the same amount back before I start earning anything again. (I only promote one other RTG operator who have this - iNetBet)
This means I have gone many months or even literally YEARS earning nothing from some of their brands. e.g. for High Noon I have only earned commission in TWO months since January 2013 and a few of their others are not far behind that!
Just shows that SOME players are winning!

My comments on the forum about CWC or anyone else are never influenced by my relationship or earnings with the operator - they are just my personal honest opinion, regardless.

KK

Wow. That does suck.

Nah, the last thing I need is trade secrets, percentages and all those other statistics that make my eyes fuzzy

Also, I realize I sounded suspiciously close to accusing you of having an agenda, and I'm glad you (hope you) understand that the main thrust of my response was that, regardless of folks playing habits/cashout aims/play amounts etc., the fact remains that there are of a lot disenchanted players right now and it's going affect the RTG industry as long as they keep blowing smoke.

And now for a little kiss-ass

You have a kick-ass site and are very upfront about folks being careful and doing their own DD before depositing.

For many years I held affiliates and such in contempt - that you all were blood sucking parasites that make tons of money off of poor sad-sack players' losses.

On the contrary, the work and research you guys put into your sites and your contributions to this forum in particular, have surely saved countless players countless hours of aggravation and of course, from being fleeced by scummy operators.

I know I bitch a lot, and I have even locked horns with Bryan himself on some things, but undeniably, all you guys/gals are the toughest line of defense, and the finest source of info players have against the bad guys.

So, without a doubt, many thanks and keep up the good work, eh?

 

[lockinlove]

yeah its def not meaningless at all.

I have no bone to pick with them. I closed my account along time ago and moved on. Karolina even refunded a deposit or two towards the end when she saw how bad my returns have been. She always agreed that my returns over the years werent good at all.

Listen, I played thousands and thousands and thousands of spins. Tonnes of deposits, free chips...incredible amount of play time. And no matter what casino i tried with them. I got pounded every single time. Every. Never even getting above my starting balance. Bonus round paying like 10 x most of the time.

I base my opinion from personal experience and a large enough sample size. Plus the complaints of others especially the americans on twitch. Which I found odd. Every time id ask what casino it was they are streaming it would never be club world. id ask why saying they pay out and have good reps and every single person would respond with "I have never won there. They are the only casino that has taken thousands from me and I never had a hit at all".

I am down $2000 with go wild over the years. But ive also had wins and lots of cashouts. Same with some other casinos and casinos like slotsmillion im up like $4000. But with clubworld. It became there was never a cashout or a win. In an incredible long time. So instead of complaining and bitching, I took action. I closed all my accounts perma.

I can say with 100% certainty I do not trust that casino groups games in the sense I feel the returns are fair. They are set on the lowest rtp without question

People can choose to play there or not. I could care less. But the above is my opinion and the reasons why I closed my accounts after being an active player for 5ish years.

 

[dreamguardian1]

Karolina Versus Club World

I just want to state for the record like most people did on here that Karolina is AMAZING. So my questions have nothing to do with her at all. And even though I love Club World. I seriously have to question what has been happening lately with them. I am all for FAIR PLAY but what i have been seeing lately on the slots is pretty bad and its not just recently. If a person deposits $70.00 in that money that person is going to have at least ONE spin that wins something even if its .06 cents (which by the way is pretty say if you betting $2.00 a spin. I said this before that even land based casinos CAN and DO lower the payouts of machines. All they have to do is hit a switch and the wins stop or start. I believe firmly that online casinos can do this as well.

 

[dreamguardian1]

"I'm not defending RTG or CWC here (I would say the same when talking about any software - and have done repeatedly on the forum), but people saying "I've had terrible returns from their slots and made dozens of deposits but never cashed-out" is a pretty meaningless statement without other data to support it.
You need to say for EACH slot: How many spins you played and what your overall RTP was for each one. (Amount won/amount wagered)
You need to say what exactly was your target cash-out figure: Deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever.
And you need to say what was the highest point you reached from your deposit (i.e. Did your balance reach deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever)."


C'mon K.K., OP asks for similar experiences and other members respond.

To state that the responses are 'meaningless' unless they provide all that data is a direct insult to their credibility.

It's like me asking you, as an experienced and respected affiliate and webmaster, to provide all info as to how many accounts paying you have and what your monthly take is from CW in order to determine the credibility of your post.

OP did not ask for specifics, nor is her post deliberately intended to bash CW.

Again, I don't think anybody really has an agenda here. They are simply chiming in on what has obviously become a disturbing trend.

Note: OP may not be bashing CW and RTG's in general, but I am. They suck and their responses to problems and complaints have been wholly inadequate.

Pmutts, 5 weeks for me, although I did drop a grand at nearest B&M. Bastahds...

I really try hard to not bash anyone. Especially Karolina because she has just been amazing and even when there does not appear to be a problem from one end she looks closer at the issues which she has done in the past when i messaged her and found issues just worded differently because everyone interprets or says things in different ways. Its how our brains operate.

That said, I am noticing a very bad trend with RPG. I am not seeing the "balance" that used to be there when i first started playing. YES, you win some and you lose some but constant losses on every deposit made not even pennies. Is a huge red flag. Now, i will say that the about two weeks ago or so i decided to try again and i hit a small win on first spin then it was constant losses i was betting $2.10 on first spin hit about #200.00 so balance was $270.00 ish then it was constant losses every spin not even pennies. That is a huge red flag on slots and i am noticing this more and more that you get that little win and then its constant losses In my mind thats not variable, its not random. Question becomes is it psychological or the actual RPG.

 

[rena35]

I have not played there in a while but from the few deposits i did make, it was all down hill even on Keno. I have played a lot of free bonuses, the same thing. I gave up.

 

[chuchu59]

This kind of thing is common among all RTG-powered casinos. Returns can be very poor but wins can be very big. I have had mild success at A.S.S in the past but I havent played at CW casinos for a long time since they curtailed my bonuses. You have little chance to win as the variance will kill you. Do remember you can easily encounter 20-30 losing sessions without a single cashout. That's RTG.

 

[dreamguardian1]

This kind of thing is common among all RTG-powered casinos. Returns can be very poor but wins can be very big. I have had mild success at A.S.S in the past but I havent played at CW casinos for a long time since they curtailed my bonuses. You have little chance to win as the variance will kill you. Do remember you can easily encounter 20-30 losing sessions without a single cashout. That's RTG.

Someone posted about Variance before. Can you please go into a little more detail about what variance is and how it works. I have seen posts on it but never fully understood. I remember a long time ago asking about high variance, low variance etc. Priorly I had always thought it was if you hit bonus spins or something. But then it was explained that it was not it but i cant find that post anymore.

 

[chuchu59]

Someone posted about Variance before. Can you please go into a little more detail about what variance is and how it works. I have seen posts on it but never fully understood. I remember a long time ago asking about high variance, low variance etc. Priorly I had always thought it was if you hit bonus spins or something. But then it was explained that it was not it but i cant find that post anymore.

I know something about variance, high variance et al but I doubt whether I can explain it as well as some others. I recall Enzo of 3Dice explained this in depth some years ago. Maybe you can check some of his older posts for a detailed explanation of variance.

 

[cheetahwind]

I just want to state for the record like most people did on here that Karolina is AMAZING. So my questions have nothing to do with her at all. And even though I love Club World. I seriously have to question what has been happening lately with them. I am all for FAIR PLAY but what i have been seeing lately on the slots is pretty bad and its not just recently. If a person deposits $70.00 in that money that person is going to have at least ONE spin that wins something even if its .06 cents (which by the way is pretty say if you betting $2.00 a spin. I said this before that even land based casinos CAN and DO lower the payouts of machines. All they have to do is hit a switch and the wins stop or start. I believe firmly that online casinos can do this as well.

Can I ask where you got your information about said switch though? The only reason why I ask this is because I used to work for 2 different casinos here in my home state. The gaming software portion of the slot machine, was taped off and secured with a wire. If at any point in time that tape and wire had to come off. It had to be in the presence of a state gaming official (or Indian), manager of the casino, head slot technician, independent 3rd party, and whomever is making the change. All of these folks were there to insure that no rigging of the machine was being done and that everything being done the machine was on the up and up. This also went for software upgrades, game changes, or even when a machine was being added or removed from the floor.

If that tape and wire were removed an alert from the machine was sent to the state gaming office alerting that the programming box was being opened. Therefore if a casino is making these "changes" on a whim, as stated in this statement. Then all of the said officials would have to be present and the machine would be opened. Not just changed by some magic switch. I will state again, there is no magic switch at land based casinos. These changes go through a very rigorous process. It just the machine goes through perceived hot and cold streaks. There is no magic trick that I've been trained on for a land based machine to make these "looser" or tighter".

Now as for online, as more and more gaming operators are being scrutinized for not having very clear terms, pay tables, poorly written games, lax security, and rogue casinos running their software. This one I can't say for or against where there any sort of rigging. Sure with online I suppose it could be easier to throw said switch or not. Mainly because there's less "official" presence that happens online. Yet I have always appreciated an operator that goes the extra mile to ensure that they are running a fair game by publishing RTP like Karolina offered here at the beginning.

 

[pmutts]

RTG is definitely very high variance.

I know something about variance, high variance et al but I doubt whether I can explain it as well as some others. I recall Enzo of 3Dice explained this in depth some years ago. Maybe you can check some of his older posts for a detailed explanation of variance.

My experience with all of the RTG Reel Series slots is they are feast or famine. Unfortunately, the famine goes on for many months--and in some cases years before I've hit those incredible wins. I agree this is a factor but still think the RTP is far to low for online play.

 

[slotplayer]

Can I ask where you got your information about said switch though? The only reason why I ask this is because I used to work for 2 different casinos here in my home state. The gaming software portion of the slot machine, was taped off and secured with a wire. If at any point in time that tape and wire had to come off. It had to be in the presence of a state gaming official (or Indian), manager of the casino, head slot technician, independent 3rd party, and whomever is making the change. All of these folks were there to insure that no rigging of the machine was being done and that everything being done the machine was on the up and up. This also went for software upgrades, game changes, or even when a machine was being added or removed from the floor.

If that tape and wire were removed an alert from the machine was sent to the state gaming office alerting that the programming box was being opened. Therefore if a casino is making these "changes" on a whim, as stated in this statement. Then all of the said officials would have to be present and the machine would be opened. Not just changed by some magic switch. I will state again, there is no magic switch at land based casinos. These changes go through a very rigorous process. It just the machine goes through perceived hot and cold streaks. There is no magic trick that I've been trained on for a land based machine to make these "looser" or tighter".

Now as for online, as more and more gaming operators are being scrutinized for not having very clear terms, pay tables, poorly written games, lax security, and rogue casinos running their software. This one I can't say for or against where there any sort of rigging. Sure with online I suppose it could be easier to throw said switch or not. Mainly because there's less "official" presence that happens online. Yet I have always appreciated an operator that goes the extra mile to ensure that they are running a fair game by publishing RTP like Karolina offered here at the beginning.

When did you work for them? I didn't know about the tape/wire but I knew about the process however that was many years ago. I'm not so sure they (the land casinos) don't download the RTP from the network now?

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[cheetahwind]

When did you work for them? I didn't know about the tape/wire but I knew about the process however that was many years ago. I'm not so sure they (the land casinos) don't download the RTP from the network now?

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Server based gaming allows for them to change the game but not the RTP. This still holds true as the 5 different casinos I go to have massive sign off sheets just to do anything to the machine.

Most casinos though have opted not to go to the server based gaming as it's super expensive. Then also state gaming commissions don't like the idea of a casino being able to download the game without a gaming representative being present.

Mainly because I still do side work in the business this is how I'm privileged to this information.

 

[dreamguardian1]

Can I ask where you got your information about said switch though? The only reason why I ask this is because I used to work for 2 different casinos here in my home state. The gaming software portion of the slot machine, was taped off and secured with a wire. If at any point in time that tape and wire had to come off. It had to be in the presence of a state gaming official (or Indian), manager of the casino, head slot technician, independent 3rd party, and whomever is making the change. All of these folks were there to insure that no rigging of the machine was being done and that everything being done the machine was on the up and up. This also went for software upgrades, game changes, or even when a machine was being added or removed from the floor.

If that tape and wire were removed an alert from the machine was sent to the state gaming office alerting that the programming box was being opened. Therefore if a casino is making these "changes" on a whim, as stated in this statement. Then all of the said officials would have to be present and the machine would be opened. Not just changed by some magic switch. I will state again, there is no magic switch at land based casinos. These changes go through a very rigorous process. It just the machine goes through perceived hot and cold streaks. There is no magic trick that I've been trained on for a land based machine to make these "looser" or tighter".

Now as for online, as more and more gaming operators are being scrutinized for not having very clear terms, pay tables, poorly written games, lax security, and rogue casinos running their software. This one I can't say for or against where there any sort of rigging. Sure with online I suppose it could be easier to throw said switch or not. Mainly because there's less "official" presence that happens online. Yet I have always appreciated an operator that goes the extra mile to ensure that they are running a fair game by publishing RTP like Karolina offered here at the beginning.

I have a very close friend who used to sing at many land based casinos especiall in Vegas and Reno. She gave me the FULl 411 about both online and land based casino's because she had also worked at an online casino. They CAN and do determine who wins and loses, its the dollar amounts that is what varies. Ever notice how sometimes u start out at a new casino and get nice wins then you keep betting and you get deeper and deeper into them but you are losing. Thats them raking you in. In land based casino's machines that are paying out a lot continually are shut down even if they are operating correctly the casino's job is not to let you win its to make them money. Yes its a gamble and the odds vary per machine but the odds are usually in favor of the house unless you are on a huge winning streak.

All that said, sorry CWG but you wont be getting any more deposits until things balance out. I deposited again this morning to see if anything had changed, same crap constant losses other than a few pennies then that stupid pop up came up "Please deposit more money". I dont think so.

 

[ironwill]

losing streak for me just furthered longer last night! Made a deposit with a 70% bonus along with the free spins to the new Panda game....lost it all in under an hour and never even made a $1 bet either!!!!

 

[me_and_ed]

Can I ask where you got your information about said switch though? The only reason why I ask this is because I used to work for 2 different casinos here in my home state. The gaming software portion of the slot machine, was taped off and secured with a wire. If at any point in time that tape and wire had to come off. It had to be in the presence of a state gaming official (or Indian), manager of the casino, head slot technician, independent 3rd party, and whomever is making the change. All of these folks were there to insure that no rigging of the machine was being done and that everything being done the machine was on the up and up. This also went for software upgrades, game changes, or even when a machine was being added or removed from the floor.

If that tape and wire were removed an alert from the machine was sent to the state gaming office alerting that the programming box was being opened. Therefore if a casino is making these "changes" on a whim, as stated in this statement. Then all of the said officials would have to be present and the machine would be opened. Not just changed by some magic switch. I will state again, there is no magic switch at land based casinos. These changes go through a very rigorous process. It just the machine goes through perceived hot and cold streaks. There is no magic trick that I've been trained on for a land based machine to make these "looser" or tighter".

This is correct, there is no playing with the machines RTP on managements whim, I have a family member that is a slot technician, he started working here in Canada, went to a group of Native run casinos in WA State and now is in Vegas, the machines are so secure and wired in you cannot even open them without numerous entities electronically notified, I am sure in the old days it happened but not in this day.

 

[dreamguardian1]

losing streak for me just furthered longer last night! Made a deposit with a 70% bonus along with the free spins to the new Panda game....lost it all in under an hour and never even made a $1 bet either!!!!

Hey you lasted an hour. My deposits been lasting maybe 15 minutes max lol.

 

[EbeeDog]

I haven't played online at all for nearly 2 months now. When a casino comes along that can pay me in the same time that it takes me to deposit, I will be happy to resume playing.

No 48 hrs., no verification faxes, no pics of my f'n license, no checks, no bonuses with hidden arcane TOS's, etc etc etc. They take a hard line with me, I take a hard line with them.

I'm not buying any shit about what trouble it is to operate in the states either. No processor crap, no pathetic excuses about how hard they're working to rectify issues, no bitcoin gymnastics.

Look at 3Dice: They f'd up a guy's 35G payment BUT, you didn't see Anna on here making excuses. What she did was kept mum and HANDLED it. Period.

In other words, my i-gaming career is over.

The only reason I keep on at this site is to monitor any progress in the states and see what shenanigans are being pulled elsewhere.

Right now, U.S. players are fish in a barrel.

 

[goatwack]

I haven't played online at all for nearly 2 months now. When a casino comes along that can pay me in the same time that it takes me to deposit, I will be happy to resume playing.

No 48 hrs., no verification faxes, no pics of my f'n license, no checks, no bonuses with hidden arcane TOS's, etc etc etc. They take a hard line with me, I take a hard line with them.

I'm not buying any shit about what trouble it is to operate in the states either. No processor crap, no pathetic excuses about how hard they're working to rectify issues, no bitcoin gymnastics.

Look at 3Dice: They f'd up a guy's 35G payment BUT, you didn't see Anna on here making excuses. What she did was kept mum and HANDLED it. Period.

In other words, my i-gaming career is over.

The only reason I keep on at this site is to monitor any progress in the states and see what shenanigans are being pulled elsewhere.

Right now, U.S. players are fish in a barrel.

Good to see you take a stand EbeeDog, and I agree that it must suck to play over there with such slow payment systems in place.

Casinos will continue to employ such lazy tactics as long as players are willing to tolerate such practices. I wouldn't go out of my way for them either, in fact like you I too would seriously contemplate not ever gambling online again until things get sorted. Not acceptable in this day and age when deposits are instant!

 

[EbeeDog]

Forgot to mention another benefit of being a member of CM - The entertainment value

Used the $ I woulda blown to buy an SG and started playing again ala Pete Townsend...yeehaw!

My neighbors love me

All I need now is 10 Hiwatt tube stacks behind me

 

[shewoff]

Good on ya EbeeDog. I play myself and I have had a 1956 SG for many many year's. Twin Humbucker's and a Dual Showman.Play on and count your lucky star's that you gave it up when you did.
:clap: Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[Mousey]

I haven't played online at all for nearly 2 months now. When a casino comes along that can pay me in the same time that it takes me to deposit, I will be happy to resume playing.

No 48 hrs., no verification faxes, no pics of my f'n license, no checks, no bonuses with hidden arcane TOS's, etc etc etc. They take a hard line with me, I take a hard line with them.

I'm not buying any shit about what trouble it is to operate in the states either. No processor crap, no pathetic excuses about how hard they're working to rectify issues, no bitcoin gymnastics.

Look at 3Dice: They f'd up a guy's 35G payment BUT, you didn't see Anna on here making excuses. What she did was kept mum and HANDLED it. Period.

In other words, my i-gaming career is over.

The only reason I keep on at this site is to monitor any progress in the states and see what shenanigans are being pulled elsewhere.

Right now, U.S. players are fish in a barrel.

I see you've been a member here since 2010. Maybe you played online before that, I dunno. All I'll say is you should have seen the gymnastics we endured during and after the NETeller (and other ewallet) disasters - thanks to our dear US gov. Oh... and the DOJ ran their own processor for awhile (undercover ya know). Do a google here for Linwood processing or similar. They paid really fast, too.

I haven't played online in over 3 years now - maybe 4?, I've lost track. Do I miss it? Hell yeah. Don't even have a B&M casino nearby. But I don't have the time, energy, or patience for the current state of deposit/withdraw hoop jumping. Also won't put my bank accounts/cards at risk.

Don't know if the situation will improve before I'm too old and senile to enjoy a spin or two, but I do know it's going to have to go through a huge change before I risk money, reputation, and sanity just to gamble online.