All Slots & All Jackpots Gone Rogue?

[Azzurri]

Hi all,

I was considering depositing at these sites, however my customary meister search, uncovered these two threads:

Wild Jack - Jackpot Factory? - Won't remove welcome bonus - Casinomeister Forum

Wildjack locked my a/c and 'reviewing my withdrawal request'. - Casinomeister Forum

Unfortunately both threads raise serious issues regarding these casinos honesty, and it would seem the conclusions that are drawn within the threads, are a direct contrast to the chat I just had, and the terms on their site.

In those previous threads, when issues were raised with Wild Jack's, the other casinos rep(s) denied Wild Jack's was part of their group of casinos. The chat I just had with a rep from All Slots, and their terms, are a complete contrast to this admission. Hence I would ask, if these sites are now rogue, or simply can't be trusted? And does this evidence that they have blatantly lied, mean they should be removed from the accredited list?

I apologize if I've missed something, but based on the above threads, there were no other conclusions to rely on. Here is the term that clearly states Wild Jack is a part of their group:

8.3 If a player’s requested withdrawal amount is five times or more than the value of their lifetime deposits across any of the following brands: All Slots Casino, All Jackpots Casino, Wild Jack Casino, First Web Casino and The VIP Lounge Casino, then the withdrawal will be issued in increments of 5,000 credits per week. The remaining amount will be returned to the player’s account until the players is eligible for a further withdrawal. The calculation of lifetime deposits shall exclude any deposits made after the withdrawal request. This clause will be applied at the discretion of the casino management. This clause does not apply to withdrawals from progressive wins.

And here is the chat I had with the rep, which raised other concerns with their terms, but also clearly stated the casinos are all related (see last comment):

info: Welcome to AllSlots Casino, you will be connected with an agent shortly. You are '1' in the queue
info: All operators are currently assisting others. Thanks for your patience. An operator will be with you shortly.
info: You are now chatting with 'Marlen '
Marlen : Hi, how can I assist you today ?
you: Hi, if I have an account with you and All Jackpots, can I claim the welcome bonus on both casinos?
Marlen : Yes
you: great. Is it true I can only withdraw 5 times my deposit totals per week?
Marlen : Yes
Marlen : or 5000 whichever is hight
you: oh, that's not too bad
you: with the bonus, can I play any slots including progressive?
Marlen : No you cant
Marlen : You cant play progressive slots with the bonus
you: ok, this is not stated in your terms, so are there any other slots I can't play?
Marlen : Old / Expired Link its all stated here
you: it says slots 100%. Nothing about excluded slots.
you: I'm looking at it now.
Marlen : Allow me a moment I am looking into this
you: ok
Marlen : Allow me a few more moments as we are still looking into this for you
you: It's not very good if you don't even know the correct terms?
Marlen : Thanks for holding. You can go to any multiplayer game and click on the question mark and there it states that you cant play with your bonus balance
you: what is a multiplayer game? never heard of multi player slots?
Marlen : I mean you can go to any progressive slots game and click on the question mark and there it would tell you that you cant play with your bonus balance
you: and this is on mobile site too? As this is where I play most.
Marlen : Yes
you: and are there any max bet rules when you have a bonus? eg. cannot bet more than $5 per spin whilst bonus is in play.
Marlen : Each game has its own max bet rules. However, theres is a percentage for play through requirement on different types of games
you: and no cap on winnings with a bonus? eg. $20,000, $30,000 etc.
Marlen : When you play with your bonus the winnings go to the cash balance. Your weekly withdrawal limit is 5 times your life deposits or 5000 whichever is higher
you: ok. Last question. If I take your welcome bonus, can I also take it at your other sister site Wild Jacks?
Marlen : Yes
you: Ok, thanks for your help.

I think this needs to be cleared up, as if they are happy to lie to Max and Bryan, I am concerned by what they are capable of doing to honest customers.

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[Dinahnana]

According to it's website Wild Jack is part of the Digimedia Group which is connected to the Fortune Lounge Group. Seems like Digimedia is taking over

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have never bought the story about Wild Jack not being anything to do with the others. Whilst a lowly CS agent might give the impression they are all the same group, Bryan has it from higher up that they are not, even though there is so much circumstantial evidence that they are, and always have been. All use the same LGA license, held in the name of Nexigames. Wild jack was just the first to move to the LGA and Nexigames long before the rest.

Oddly, promotional material from Wild Jack now states Digimedia, not Nexigames. Digimedia is the old Belle Rock group, and now appears to include Fortune Lounge

It looks like we are being mislead by complex corporate games, possibly tax planning, but it used to be done to hide from the DoJ when such brands took US players.

Maybe now they have conceded the fact that the game's up, we don't believe them, so they are now admitting that Wild Jack is now part of the group, both in CS and in the terms. Odd that there is no sign that Wild Jack got sold back to Jackpot Factory, compared to the various press releases and emails to players when their Wild Jack accounts were supposedly sold on to Nexigames some years ago.

I think that all we are seeing is the transfer of individual casinos between subsidiaries of an unknown master company. We cannot trace this master company as it hides behind these subsidiaries that don't have to make available their lists of shareholders, which themselves are probably trust funds, holding companies, etc.

Finding out who owns what is near impossible, and even harder to back up with evidence. Even the taxman can't do it!!

 

[Dinahnana]

I have never bought the story about Wild Jack not being anything to do with the others. Whilst a lowly CS agent might give the impression they are all the same group, Bryan has it from higher up that they are not, even though there is so much circumstantial evidence that they are, and always have been. All use the same LGA license, held in the name of Nexigames. Wild jack was just the first to move to the LGA and Nexigames long before the rest.

Oddly, promotional material from Wild Jack now states Digimedia, not Nexigames. Digimedia is the old Belle Rock group, and now appears to include Fortune Lounge

It looks like we are being mislead by complex corporate games, possibly tax planning, but it used to be done to hide from the DoJ when such brands took US players.

Maybe now they have conceded the fact that the game's up, we don't believe them, so they are now admitting that Wild Jack is now part of the group, both in CS and in the terms. Odd that there is no sign that Wild Jack got sold back to Jackpot Factory, compared to the various press releases and emails to players when their Wild Jack accounts were supposedly sold on to Nexigames some years ago.

I think that all we are seeing is the transfer of individual casinos between subsidiaries of an unknown master company. We cannot trace this master company as it hides behind these subsidiaries that don't have to make available their lists of shareholders, which themselves are probably trust funds, holding companies, etc.

Finding out who owns what is near impossible, and even harder to back up with evidence. Even the taxman can't do it!!

That is exactly what I was thinking the other day with the Fortune Lounge thread and Digimedia. I thought to myself does Digimedia have designs on world domination or something Seriously though if there is a take over or a sale of a casino to a larger group I would like them to be more upfront about it and not hide behind all that cloak and dagger BS.

 

[spintee]

I have looked real close into many of casinos, I might be looking at a dead horse in the face but belive me, alot of sites all end up in 1s pocket, Its abit scary really when you look deep into it and the corruption that goes on, Every where I go brings up more storys and try telling me that RTP is so much % than dream on as I no no matter what 5,000 spins people have done and tested you can bet that over the time its more like 20% RTP, Take in to account the hire of games, cashier, employes, web space, If pay out was that high as over 95% than there would not be a site going,

Yes its pay out not what people put in and out but money got to go some where, Its not like poker where a % is taken than eventally there be no money in pot, say in a week a small casino takes in 1 mill RTP is 97% thats only a 30 grand profit, all the fees involed with banking ect ect, Than thats if the casino is on a win, If I put in 10 grand in 1 casiono and lost than only 10 quid in another and got a streak and took 10 grand out that casiono will be well down, But this goes back to my orainall statement:: It goes back only to a few pockets as most is all linked
If you can prove me wrong than my ears are open,

Happy spins

 

[Captain Chaos]

I see the point you are trying to make. But it is of course important to remember that the RTP figure is meant to refer to the RTP over the lifetime of the machine (I do believe, but do correct me if I am wrong though). So in one week the RTP could have actually returned perhaps 90% or 80% or even above 100%. It doesn't mean the game is bent or broken or designed to cheat or anything. Over time it should average out. The only true way to tell really is to probably run hundreds of thousands, maybe even into the millions of spins. Do that and you will probably find that it's closer to the RTP than expected (well, I'd hope anyway!)

10000 spins or so is simply too small small a sample size I believe. The variance from one spin to the next as we all know can be huge.

 

[spintee]

I see the point you are trying to make. But it is of course important to remember that the RTP figure is meant to refer to the RTP over the lifetime of the machine (I do believe, but do correct me if I am wrong though). So in one week the RTP could have actually returned perhaps 90% or 80% or even above 100%. It doesn't mean the game is bent or broken or designed to cheat or anything. Over time it should average out. The only true way to tell really is to probably run hundreds of thousands, maybe even into the millions of spins. Do that and you will probably find that it's closer to the RTP than expected (well, I'd hope anyway!)

10000 spins or so is simply too small small a sample size I believe. The variance from one spin to the next as we all know can be huge.

what is a life time? They do not pass enought info, I do not think even casino no as long as they keep going, I did mentino 5k spins only because people mention this amount when tested, I could do that that easy in 1 day, It is nothing to go by, All I no that im at a lost end now with spinning now, No matter what machines or platform I have seen a real downturn and not just on payouts but on wins, Its a gamble we no but got more chance of getting a heads on aflip of a coin when both sides are tails, last 2 yrs its rocketed out of controll, The amount of sites and small payouts if any, iy just bogles me why I still pumping them my cash

 

[maphesto]

Oddly, promotional material from Wild Jack now states Digimedia, not Nexigames. Digimedia is the old Belle Rock group, and now appears to include Fortune Lounge

Digimedia is nowadays Jackpot Factory group, Bellerock group, Red Flush group, Fortune Lounge group...

 

[KasinoKing]

Yes its pay out not what people put in and out but money got to go some where, Its not like poker where a % is taken than eventally there be no money in pot, say in a week a small casino takes in 1 mill RTP is 97% thats only a 30 grand profit, all the fees involed with banking ect ect,

I think you're getting a little confused over what RTP means.
A casino could have ALL it's games set to 99% RTP - and if all the players just kept on playing and playing trying for a big win and never cashing out, they would all eventually lose all their money and the casino would make 100% profit from their deposits.

RTP only refers to what each game pays out per "cycle" of wagering, not to how much the casino pays out in winnings.

KK

 

[spintee]

I think you're getting a little confused over what RTP means.
A casino could have ALL it's games set to 99% RTP - and if all the players just kept on playing and playing trying for a big win and never cashing out, they would all eventually lose all their money and the casino would make 100% profit from their deposits.

RTP only refers to what each game pays out per "cycle" of wagering, not to how much the casino pays out in winnings.

KK

I might be abit confused after the shit I have read in recent weeks, But your missing the point, If every 1 eventally loss than surely some where along the line rtp is 0, 1 macine might be big and another small, but all in all if we all lose than its 0 rtp, whicth is some what of 99% and where that came from I do not no, I now your been on the seen for a few yrs but unless some here as 1 jp or big wins than I garuantee rtp is no where near 99% & more like 9% at most

 

[Captain Chaos]

I might be abit confused after the shit I have read in recent weeks, But your missing the point, If every 1 eventally loss than surely some where along the line rtp is 0, 1 macine might be big and another small, but all in all if we all lose than its 0 rtp, whicth is some what of 99% and where that came from I do not no, I now your been on the seen for a few yrs but unless some here as 1 jp or big wins than I garuantee rtp is no where near 99% & more like 9% at most

The house always wins though. Even if RTP was 99.99%, they would still, in the long run, win. I think KasinoKing is trying to say that theoretically, based on average luck you could expect to receive back 97% of your bets based on a 97% RTP. Of course in reality it's not always going to work out like that. Some (well most tbh) sessions you will end up losing and with under 97%. Others you could well end up with much higher than 97%.

If I have £100 and place 100 £1 spins on a 97% RTP in theory I can expect £97 back in theory. But if I put the £97 back through then I can expect, in theory, £94.09. I can keep going and going. Eventually I should bust. I might not, but I should according to the RTP. So, even though I got my 97%, the house didn't make £3 but got the whole £100. That's how they make the money.