Bogus Complaint affiliate swindler gets caught

[Mouche12]

But we who have been playing for so long knows what is needed, and that most casinos want them sooner or later so why see it as a problem?
Have your documents always updated or at least take your time when you sign up somewhere new to check what's needed.

You don't have to wait for your first cashout at most places. Some let you upload them automaticly. Don't make it or see it as a bigger problem than it is.
It is protection for the casino and they really need to be careful. It is also protection for us so don't forget that. You don't want anyone else to use your identity.

Yes, that's why I sent my docs before depositing. But if I am faced with any hassles, it's just not worth my time... so many good casinos out there who easily accepted my docs.

 

[Fjellsame]

1) You are using two names between your payment methods and ID's

Please explain this one, AffGency.

 

[AffGency]

Please explain this one, AffGency.

i would like to explain it.. but this is not the case

the only explanation i have is that my email account when sending gives another name in the header, just depends if i use outlook or if use thunderbird

there might be the confusion, but docs are clearly stating all the same name .. i can send this to a reputable forum member here if someone wants to verify it

like Tirilej for example

 

[Casinomeister]

@ Affagency

I've revoked your Webmeister membership since you have acted unbecoming of a Casinomeister Webmeister - you were to read this when you were allowed in.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum-faq/forum-policies/

Webmasters need to remember that they are guests in this house; treat it well. We have a higher expectation of posting styles for webmasters than what we expect from players. If you've come here to gripe about a certain casino, that's fine, but please be mindful that a bit of tact can go a long way.

Harassing moderators, disrespecting i-Gaming representatives, beating up players, and exploiting this board is not only uncool, it will not be tolerated. Please understand that the forum is not a marketing tool, a source of traffic, or a place where one can grandstand an agenda. It is a community where we share and discuss topics that pertain to online gaming - and then some. If it appears that you are attempting to undermine or damage the Casinomeister brand via snarky remarks, flaming, or other antagonist behaviour, you will be asked to leave. Just imagine me being a member of your forum and how you'd expect me to act.

You have violated this policy a number of times in this thread - this is one of the reasons I was asking why you were posting this information in public.

We also have a no tolerance policy on violating our rules when it comes to posting complaints. I guess you didn't read that either.

For the record, Affagency asked me if he could represent mybet.com on the site, that's right a casino rep. I told him that I work directly with the casinos, no third parties. He told me that mybet was rather small and didn't have the people to monitor forums. And I told him that mybet had been on the site, but failed the BBF for lack of participation.

Anyway, I'll be looking at this tomorrow since it's quite late.

And it's not a "time shark" - it's a "time vampire".

 

[Tirilej]

i would like to explain it.. but this is not the case

the only explanation i have is that my email account when sending gives another name in the header, just depends if i use outlook or if use thunderbird

there might be the confusion, but docs are clearly stating all the same name .. i can send this to a reputable forum member here if someone wants to verify it

like Tirilej for example

I better say the same here as I said in the pm.

Please ask Bryan to check your documents or do a PAB and let Max have a look.

You need your name cleared.

My advice is to stay calm and be a little humble please. Maybe a tiny bit quiet too

 

[AffGency]

Okay fair enough

as you already stated it, what I have asked you regarding Mybet. Please note that i have changed T&C with them in favour of Affiliates.

That we also went to Askgamblers and resolved most of the cases there. As you can see on the Posts i made .. i was very fair to the Players.

And this would have been also the case when presenting Mybet here, I would have for instant analyze everything what the Player said and did before posting anything. And as a Player by myself I rule most times in favour of the Players.. even if some don't understand ... are the backbone of a Casino. Without Players there would none of us getting the butter on the bread.

As a Customer i act differently .. i also make sometimes snippy remarks, but there is a bit of truth in them as well if we talk about MrGreen and CPA Deals.

Also i would like to ask you to go with me over my docs, if you could be so kind, and get cleared and verified that my docs are not listed in any other names. I'm more as happy to do it with teamviewer so there is maximum safety that nothing was forged and changed.

 

[vinylweatherman]

i know i didnt want to post anymore

however

i wrote i have send them neteller and my utility bill which shows my adresse

The Skrill one shows my name.. and my name is all over them there.. and it is.. quite surprising.. just always the same name on all documents

As you know Skrill very good, you also know you need to get verified at Skrill as well .. sending Passeport, ID , utility bill ect. there is no way using an e-wallet which is not in your name.

They are all FSA regulated and i clearly dont play games with my Skrill or neteller account as I use them more as my bank account.

And as Mouche12 said it, i had no problems with any other casinos accepting them

Try telling that to Kasino King!

It would seem that using another's eWallet isn't too hard, and often it's very hard for the victim to get the money back.

Convincing Skrill to permit the use of a false address purely so that you can use iDeal from a country you are not supposed to IS "playing games with your Skrill account". If Skrill KNOWINGLY did this, they would be in trouble with the regulators. No level of VIP allows one to break the law, and a regulated eWallet wouldn't risk it.

This is also an admission that you were deliberately hiding your Skrill address because it wasn't the one it was supposed to be, and rather belatedly you are forced into explaining this. Unfortunately, it would have been better to have been honest from the start, and explained why the address was different.

When players change their address, casinos usually accept evidence that links you to both addresses, and the move.

The two names thing isn't going to be just because you have two different email addresses, it's going to be a discrepancy where you have a legal obligation to use your genuine name, not an alias, and where you have failed to meet this obligation.

Besides, this is all about a casino where your balance is zero, and you seem to be in a position to call the shots over a small brand. Surely you are in a position to pick and choose among a number of casinos, and you must have some industry-side information to assist in making this choice.


This is apart from the matter of you operating a money laundering scheme for US players and poker operators.

 

[AffGency]

Try telling that to Kasino King!

It would seem that using another's eWallet isn't too hard, and often it's very hard for the victim to get the money back.

Convincing Skrill to permit the use of a false address purely so that you can use iDeal from a country you are not supposed to IS "playing games with your Skrill account". If Skrill KNOWINGLY did this, they would be in trouble with the regulators. No level of VIP allows one to break the law, and a regulated eWallet wouldn't risk it.

This is also an admission that you were deliberately hiding your Skrill address because it wasn't the one it was supposed to be, and rather belatedly you are forced into explaining this. Unfortunately, it would have been better to have been honest from the start, and explained why the address was different.

When players change their address, casinos usually accept evidence that links you to both addresses, and the move.

The two names thing isn't going to be just because you have two different email addresses, it's going to be a discrepancy where you have a legal obligation to use your genuine name, not an alias, and where you have failed to meet this obligation.

Besides, this is all about a casino where your balance is zero, and you seem to be in a position to call the shots over a small brand. Surely you are in a position to pick and choose among a number of casinos, and you must have some industry-side information to assist in making this choice.


This is apart from the matter of you operating a money laundering scheme for US players and poker operators.

About Skrill and everything we can see once someone verify this

I did not say two email adresses i said that i use outlook and thunderbird and the name changes there ! That is a very normal thing and depends on what you put into settings.

You are right i should have picked another brand to play with but you are always smarter after the incident.

About money laundering .. it has been paid taxes on all the money, believe me that none of the Players jeopardize with the Revenue Department in the US .. so in all fairness, as you don't know what happened, you are just claiming me involved in a seriouse crime.

 

[vinylweatherman]

About Skrill and everything we can see once someone verify this

I did not say two email adresses i said that i use outlook and thunderbird and the name changes there ! That is a very normal thing and depends on what you put into settings.

You are right i should have picked another brand to play with but you are always smarter after the incident.

About money laundering .. it has been paid taxes on all the money, believe me that none of the Players jeopardize with the Revenue Department in the US .. so in all fairness, as you don't know what happened, you are just claiming me involved in a seriouse crime.

It's not me, it's the casino rep that is claiming this, so much so that the details have been forwarded to the cybercrimes unit. The crime with regard to the US isn't about tax avoidance anyway, it's about processing transactions related to offshore gambling, which under US law is regarded as money laundering. There are other serious allegations apart from this, which are alleged to have cost operators a significant sum of money. For a business evaluating your worth as a customer, these are very important risk factors, and it all looks "dodgy as hell", even if it's all completely innocent.

There is a thread at a well known poker forum detailing a number of allegations regarding your conduct, and if a casino becomes aware of it, they have to act on the information they have, incomplete and potentially misleading as it may be. There is a particular allegation that you are operating under at least two different names, one of which, possibly both, have to be an alias. Such an allegation has to be based on something more definitive than the differences between two different email clients.

From your connections in the industry, you must know full well that it doesn't matter whether you play your next €2300 at Slottyvegas or another operator using the same software, the chances of you winning back your first €2300 remain the same, as do your chances of losing a further €2300 trying.

What games in particular did you play that makes you believe you MUST play again at Slottyvegas in order to have a fair chance of winning some of your money back?

 

[BETAT]

I simply cant understand why this thread is ongoing considering there is no money in dispute. We have the right to close accounts when we suspect it will be safer to do so.

You yourself admitted in the PM that you use two names and, by the tone you wrote it seemed you did not expect us to be so diligent. But, we are diligent, in fact some players that have posted here choose not to play on our casino as a result.

You stated that you

lived in a country for few years where gambling is strictly forbidden and as a security i changed my name .. anyhow, its not that uncommon that affiliates changes their name

Actually no, i do not think it is at all common that people change their name and affiliates are our business partners and i expect to know who i am dealing with so i assure you that if i ever did come across an affiliate that was mis-representing himself, they would also get the boot. This is a legitimate business, not some ponzi scheme and i expect to know precisely who am i dealing with at all times.

It's a simple matter, really. When my team uncovered the naming discrepancy, the cross-checked the two names. The top result in Google when putting both of your names in is a warning about an affiliate scammer. In that thread, 3 separate sources accuse you of defrauding them for various amounts of monies by selling sub-affiliate accounts and empty poker accounts.

Irrelevant of your KYC status, Post code, address or anything else - at that point, i, myself, have personally decided that I do not wish to expose my business to further deposits from you. This is my right and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Now, as for your PM and public threat that you will sue me for defamation, please consider that

1) I would need to defame you by name, and at the moment the name is in dispute so you'd have to prove that i'm actually defaming you and not an alias; and
2) So far, the only "persona" that might have suffered any character damage is Affgency CasinoMesiter account, which isn't a person.

So, with all in mind - I have clearly, numerously explained my decision making process. I stand behind it, will not change my stance and i feel that the decision taken was absolutely correct.

The only thing this thread achieved was my resolve to send the information i have to the local unit, although I'm not sure something will be done at all. Then again, that's no longer my problem.

I'm sorry if our line of reasoning does not suit you. It is what it is, and thankfully in this day and age with forums like these, people who wrong other people DO leave a traceable footprint which eventually does come back to haunt you.

As for mybet, it may not surprise you that most operators know each other and that your claim that they are a small outfit which cannot afford a forum rep is not only completely bogus, but horridly offensive to that business, which is a public listed company that declares immense revenues. I have close ties with their Casino Manager who has big respect for Casino Meister and she reads the forums frequently. I've reached out to her and pointed this thread. Same can be said for AskGamblers.

What the readers may not see yet, due to not having the facts at hand is that, by this "name dropping" and bogus linking to operators you have no ties with, you are only digging a bigger hole for yourself which may result in a renaming session 2.

Enough time was wasted on this thread. You had stated you are happy for Bryan to go over the docs, so i'll be sure to supply him with the same and all relevant findings.

The rest is in his hands.

 

[AffGency]

why you starting again ?

everyone can go over anything... its just a very bad behaviour from you coming up with things which has nothing to do with you.. at last with a player account at your Casino ?

I took my time to explain you what confused you but for some reason you just don't understand and trying everything to paint a picture of me, which makes me look like a liar, criminal and what else.

It is really enough now with this posts from you .. I did not offend you in any way or claimed you did something or said something, so why you getting so much hatred that you kept going on with your lies.

You also keep threating me with pointing out his thread to other manager and still claiming you do know everything.

Your claim with the names are just incorrect and I don't even know why you are still claiming it.. you clearly had the time to check the docs again and see that there is no other name ... actually it is the same with the postcode, i did and took the time to explain this, just to get another hit from you in the back.. as this is what you doing. You post always privat things and turn them so that everyone can search and find everything ... also you post here my PM's i send to you where i get an infraction for.

I tried to settle this with you and discuss it but you just are not interested .. same as you are not sliglty interested in this forum thread you talking about... it was just suiting you very well.. as you said by yourself.

I told you also many times... that you closed my account with no reason... why not sending the reason per email directly ?

If you dont want my business... and i asked this numerouse times... why the money i deposited is than good enough for you ? this just does not add up at all... Knowing you much better , i can tell you what happened ... after i said, be happy with the docs i send or i will close my account .. i pulled a trigger inside you and than you searched and find something ... to find a reason to have it closed.

that's all about it ..

 

[vinylweatherman]

It is anyhow very low to speak about something where you dont have a clue what really happened


That other people know what he is talking about


I was a poker affiliate and have send a lot of money to US players

means they send ot me, i cashed out and send them via bank wire the cash

I have send to so many that the amount he is speaking is nothing compared to this

This is the "money laundering scheme" under US law.

Now this does not have anything to do with Affiliation but OP has named the thread so

Anyhow tax revenue was investigating and is a long story

OP in this thread also never replied anymore as he knows what happened

The authorities are clearly not satisfied that all taxes due have been paid



Now there are few people who jumped on as they bough accounts from me .. if someone knows about cake poker network... i sold my accounts to someone shortly they went bankrupt ... this guys is claiming i scammed him, which in case was just a business trasnaction

This guy thinks you scammed him, but you say it's "just business"

You say Slottyvegas has scammed you by not letting you chase your losses, but they say it's "just business" not to let you play further.

What's the difference?

Im not an Angel; and far away from that

And i did stupid things ... but why would be a grown up rep from an online casino come up that he closed my account because of soemthing in another forum and make it also public

It's not that public, he hasn't given away enough to make it easy to find that thread (I tried, and I failed).

 

[thebigs]

I only started reading this thread this morning(late i know) and too be honest it was an interesting read.
I appreciate there are some bad egg Casino's out there but i know from my playing at Betat and Slotty they are most definately part of the good yokes.
I am sure everyone gets upset when they lose money but i would not consider for one second come on a forum and slag of a Casino for something i may have done wrong.
When i first started playing online i did not realise how strict Casino's had to be and as i use my middle name in day to day life i learned a lesson early on that when i registered with a casino that when it came to a payment to me as i had registered as my middle name then i had to prove who i was even though my middle name is on my passport.
Casino's do have to protect themselves and i know 99 percent of us players are genuine and trustworthy it is that 1 percent that fecks it up.
I have seen a couple of threads now that Igor has replied that some people may seem as harsh or blunt.
I see it as well done Igor and i think it is sad that people come on here to get attention and then a casino has to defend itself.
Stay away from the non accredited and we will all be ok.
Sorry spicey rum talking now so ill leave ya in peace.

 

[ugaboga]

When player advocate supreme Vinylweatherman isn't on your side, it's pretty much a lost cause. No one has treated casinos (even accredited ones) with fire and brimstone like the Vinylweatherman.

 

[hedgehok]

So first of all let me emphasize with betat and say thank you that you continuously explain yourself against public rant like this. What really makes me sad is that so many actually sided with the OP although everything was iffy right from the start. Just have a look at the Skrill-screenshot

i will post the screenshot now View attachment 55479

What a mess! It's obvious that crucial parts are missing. The screenshot has to look like this:





And it took me 2 minutes with Paint to get this done. The biggest joke is that it's not even about money here. Just for the right to play at a certain casino. The casino can always choose which players they accept and which not. Igor just checked since he has some experience when things are fishy and discovered this affiliate-fraud-issue. The decision to close his account is comprehensible and necessary also from to prevent damage from the casino. I hope that the OP's behaviour here is no example for others - because it's just a PITA.

I can just say sorry to Igor that you have to deal with that and even worse that so many sympathize with the OP without knowing the whole story.

 

[AffGency]

Im not so sure why i shld have made the screenshot design friendly for you anyhow

BUT..

as Igor went so far to go to the Thread, he is talking about and offered them to give everyone per PM my private details and tarnished this as it was a friend and even went more far and claimed that other Casinos may are willing to breached the private agreement ... im really done with that

You can freely choose to play there ... if you dont care that your private informations are given to 3rd parties without your permission or if they close your account for anything you may have done in the past.

Also i don't understand what it has to do with the company I work for, which has nothing to do with that incident/s.. its just about a private player account

If Bryan still wants to check the docs, thats fine .. but this is really my last post to this incident

Good Night and Good Morning

 

[Tirilej]

So first of all let me emphasize with betat and say thank you that you continuously explain yourself against public rant like this. What really makes me sad is that so many actually sided with the OP although everything was iffy right from the start. Just have a look at the Skrill-screenshot

I can just say sorry to Igor that you have to deal with that and even worse that so many sympathize with the OP without knowing the whole story.

True that a couple of members told that they too have had problems with Betat in some way, but that's not the same as siding with the OP.

I don't know if I can find anyone who did that in this thread. I just wished it could have been held in privat.

 

[Jasminebed]

Let me start by saying to AffGency, you have no funds in your account, they closed it and you are not permitted to play there. End of story. No one kept your deposits, you lost them fair and square. Even if all your documents were spot on, they can just decide you are not a player they want. Heck, for all I know, maybe you used to date the sister of someone that works there, lol.

That said, dear Igor, you need to step back and consider that you do not need to defend your casino's decision in this case. Sometimes less is more.

However, the request for the Skrill account triggered a bit of a memory for me, and although I probably no longer have chats, I am a little sloppy in my screenshot housekeeping at times.

During KYC, I was asked for a screenshot of my Skrill account showing the transaction, which I provided and I still have the screenshot. I didn't even edit out my deposits to another casino. But history does not show your mailing address, just your email address and account no.

It was rejected.

I probably had a cashout pending or I might not have worked so hard. Anyway, chat staff was very helpful, and I was able to take a picture of a different page that had my address and account number. They of course already had passport and utility bill when the skrill request was made.

We have had a happy relationship since, except for my abysmal RTP. The casino has no control over the games.

AffGency, does not matter where you play, I don't think Bet-at has a single game exclusive to them.

A close personal friend, and also a CM member albeit not a very active one had her KYC documentation rejected and reversed and lost a win rather than wait and get it sorted. She lives with someone and does not have a home bill in her name. She was able to sort that, but then they were unhappy with her driver's licence. Well no wonder! I looked at the damned thing, worse damned photo I ever saw on ID. Grainy, and hard to tell it was even in colour it was so washed out. I am surprised anywhere accepted it to be honest. I told her she should go back to MTO and tell them she got carded and it was rejected as fake. She is younger than me.

Fraud is real and prevalant in the online world. No one has accused the OP of fraud, just a customer they no longer wish to serve as is their right.

We have another thread past few days where a player has been asked for notarized documents. We are yet to see if he provides them.

Bet-at takes security and fraud seriously. They clearly state they have no tolerance for advantage players, but it doesn't mean they don't pay winnings before kicking them to the curb.

I am a cautious person in my real life, it's a bit funny I am a gambler at all. Maybe sometimes I need a space not to be so cautious.

I am a big believer in err on the side of caution, and it's just fine by me that BetAt feels that way too.

Just think what a mess this might be if the OP had a pending cashout. As it stands, he lost his money is no longer permitted to make bets.

Igor and the casino do not need to defend that further than that.

 

[paul7388]

This thread is just a complete mess.

Read it yesterday and cant believe it is still going strong. Should have been a private matter with some of the accusations flying around.

Anyway I saw comments about members siding with the OP against BETAT and after reading whole thread I don't think I would agree. I remember previous BETAT threads where it turned nasty but in this case I don't think it has. Members have merely stated that BETAT seems more likely than other casinos to close accounts. That is either good or bad depending how you look at it but it shows they probably do more vigorous checks than other casinos. But no one has actually attacked BETAT except the OP and members have only stated their opinions on having accounts closed and many have defended BETAT.

Its a public forum so you would expect members to state their own experiences in a thread. But like I said this should have been private in the first place. If a casino told me my account was getting locked and I was no longer welcome I would be mad if it was for no reason which we don't know is the case here. But instead of fighting it I would simply think well they don't want my money so they can go to hell and play elsewhere. I would not make a big song and dance about it as even if they opened my account again would I ever want to deposit there again.

Anyway we will all have to wait and see what the end result of this is. If BETAT is correct in what they say then the OP has opened a whole can of worms by simply not just accepting his account was closed. Makes no sense to me.

 

[lockinlove]

That said, dear Igor, you need to step back and consider that you do not need to defend your casino's decision in this case. Sometimes less is more.
.

I agree with this part.

I notice Igor gets really worked up sometimes lol.


Dont let them get to you Igor!!

Just know that most of the legit members here know you run a good casino. Getting mad and aggressive is a waste of your time and its not healthy

 

[Casinomeister]

Oh - a tangled web we weave - when first we practice to deceive:

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Same guy - I'm not wasting anymore time with this.

If any affiliate managers have been approached by this guy - or affiliates (like i was), please contact me.

 

[Batman]

I really can't see any disputes here.

OP created an account with the casino, deposited, lost ...
It happened to all of us...

Casino closed the account - I for one am not interested into why they closed the account.

I can respect one's business, if they don't want you as a customer, they can close your account / kick you out of the store / ban you from their club.

You won't call the media or any other authority on a person for not liking to have you in their store/club/casino/etc...

I don't see the point of the thread, there's no case here imho!

 

[Tirilej]

Well he is gone. I read the thread in the other forum and since he gave me his name in a pm last night I'm also very sure its him.
I hope no member doubt that. He is a criminal and nothing else.

 

[thebigs]

Question? If a member has been banned how can they continue to post here as the OP has done?

 

[Batman]

He was banned a couple of minutes ago.
His status (of banned user) appears in all posts.