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Discussion in 'Ask the Meister' started by jsol07, Nov 30, 2005.

    Nov 30, 2005
  1. jsol07

    jsol07 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    auditor
    Location:
    ca
    Are there any affiliate programs you would recommend?
    Is gamecities worth a shot?
    What could someone with a few thousand dollars to invest do as far as online gambling?
    Thanks
     
  2. Dec 1, 2005
  3. webber286

    webber286 Dormant account webmeister

    Occupation:
    Marketing
    Location:
    The Frozen Tundra
    Gamecities doesn't look like a pure affiliate program. There site has you actually develop your own online casino. Most affiliates create review and watchdog sites that refer people to casino sites.

    If you only have a few thousand to invest, starting up your own online casino won't go very far. You will be competing against close to 2000 online gambling sites, many of which have major marketing budgets and have been established for some time. You also have to be careful about where you are located, it isn't legal to own an online casino in some countries, however it is legal to market an online casino in most every country.

    Now, if you want to be a true affiliate marketer, then a few thousand should be more than enough to get you started, assuming you have a unique idea for a website and are able to develop solid content. If you don't possess the skills to build your own site, you could eat up that budget getting a site launched. In either case be prepared to spend hours upon hours understanding the ins and outs of the industry, optimizing your website, trading links, becoming an seo expert, writing newsletters, monitoring forums, etc, etc. The long road of an affiliate marketer is not as easy as it seems, but you can make some decent money if you treat it like a real business and put a lot of hard work into it. Plan to invest at least 12 months of your time if you are serious about giving it a go.
     
  4. Dec 1, 2005
  5. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    Not much to add to that.

    I really don't recommend starting your own casino. You don't have anywhere near the money to make an actual go of it.

    You see sites like Bryan's and mine covering most everything, but for starters that is not a good idea. It's best to concentrate on one aspect of online gambling and creating a site around that.

    Ask yourself what you would like to see available to you and create it. What is your biggest question about online gambling? Create a site that answers it. Research and create content.

    As far as affiliate programs go - a pretty good start is to pick one of Bryan's recommended casinos, go there, click on the webmaster link and you will have found a decent affiliate program in most cases.

    You can also visit one of the affiliate forums.
     
  6. Dec 1, 2005
  7. Webzcas

    Webzcas Winter is Coming! Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Block S25, South Stand, Ashton Gate, BS3
    Agreed. Not only that, you are relying on the Turn Key Casino operation to provide proper support to the players you put their way. You have no guarantee that they will do that.
     
  8. Dec 1, 2005
  9. CindyGame

    CindyGame Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    GameCities **Don't try to find it on any maps
    I hope this will help

    To best help understand what GameCities is offering you need first make sure knowing the difference on the following area.

    affiliate vs Business opp
    Affiliate program if you are an affiliate for example like PartyPoker your driving traffic and branding PartyPoker. Your building business for PartyPoker.
    Business opp You have your own domain name. your driving traffic to your OWN site. Your building business for yourself.
    The key here is your building business for your own domain name or someone elses domain name. GameCities make sure when they do post marketing to the player who sign-up they goto YOUR domain name.
    Investment vs return
    Typical GameCities site owner makes about $500/mth. Is that a good return for $1000 investment. It is your call.
    Some Site owner doesnt drive any traffic they do make ZERO.
    Some site owner make more than $3000/mth and they will leave GameCities and to get their own full license solution.
    Baby step principle.
    In the world of gaming the Casino license could cost anywhere from $50,000 to $250,000 we recommend that you take the BABY STEP with GameCities to find out if you have what it take to drive traffic to make profit from the online Casino industry.
    PS: most of the successful GameCities site owner are driving there traffic from OFFLINE marketing to start.. it is very true takes very big $$$ to compete with rest of the big 2000 online casino out there with just a few thousands.


    In summary, GameCities is not for everyone. But it one of the best and cheapest way to get your feet wet in the world of Online Casino.. maybe you can be one the top tier people to upgrade yourself to a full license after learn some experience with GameCities.
     
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  10. Dec 1, 2005
  11. CindyGame

    CindyGame Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    GameCities **Don't try to find it on any maps
    I guess come to the bottom really is what you as an individual really want. The decision is on you. I hope the postings above will give a better better idea of what GameCities really about and also helps you make your decision.

    Cindy:thumbsup:
     
  12. Dec 2, 2005
  13. CindyGame

    CindyGame Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    GameCities **Don't try to find it on any maps
    Add a little bit more info ~~~

    Gamecities also offer free demo, you can try it before you make any decision.


    ps: I hope this is helpful lol :rolleyes:
     
  14. Dec 3, 2005
  15. mary

    mary Dormant account

    Some caveats:

    *Gamecities software looks like the Futurebet suite. Futurebet has a very bad record with respect to player treatment; Futurebet sites have gone down leaving players unpaid. They do not say on their site the source of their software; why not?

    *Two of the games on their suite, Three Card Poker(tm) and Casino War(tm), are patent protected games; these guys may face a lawsuit at any time.

    *This marketing page uses the tradmarks of World Poker Tour9tm) and World Series of Poker(tm); another couple of lawsuits in the offing.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    *Gamecities is awfully coy on their web site about who they are and where they are located. Do you really want to do business with a company that won't tell you who they are and where they are? Who are the officers? Where are their offices? Under what legal jurisdiction do they operate? What will be your recourse if they fail to pay you as a partner?

    Why don't they have this information on their site?
    Or this?
     
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  16. Dec 3, 2005
  17. Webzcas

    Webzcas Winter is Coming! Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Webmaster
    Location:
    Block S25, South Stand, Ashton Gate, BS3
    Exactly Mary. If you are to play at an Online Casino, transparency of the business, the people behind it, the software and a proven track record is required. This is certainly lacking as far as the information on the GameCities Website is concerned.
     
  18. Dec 6, 2005
  19. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    $500 a month is not a good return for any web business because of the time involved to make a go of it.

    If you have plenty of money to invest in adbuys, you may be able to do decent business with a white label. Then you have to be confident that the company who sold the site is actually financed properly and you won't become a rogue operator.

    Since you can hardly SEO a casino site ( you can somewhat), if you have no money for adbuys you will make no money. If you want to make $, the $1000 is merely the start of what it will cost you.

    Unless you become an expert spammer, and even that is costly.

    Something gets compromised here - your pocketbook or your morals, or probably both.

    Buying a real licence because you have managed to make $3000 a month - geez! The net would be riddled with even more underfunded and floundering casinos!
     
  20. Dec 7, 2005
  21. CindyGame

    CindyGame Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    GameCities **Don't try to find it on any maps
    To answer everyone's questions, GameCities is actually a sitebuilder and turnkey casino operator. We are in the business of helping individuals get started in the gaming industry on a startup budget. As our packages are moderately priced, our clients often use us as a testing ground for their marketing strategies before committing to a full-license either through us or another provider. We are in the process of migrating our backend gaming services from Futurebet to Interactive Gaming, which should address the concerns in your post. Also, payment processing has been switched to a new processor and since then there have been no payment issues.

    In regards to potential earnings, $500 per month income may not seem like a lot for a stand-alone business but this opportunity can be quite lucrative for affiliates that have access to a lot of relevant traffic already, i.e. gaming traffic. or online marketing experts (SEO). And the return on investment is quite good so theoretically you could even have multiple sites generating $500 each per month if you want to scale up. True, SEO is not easy but it's feasible with hard work or the help of hired professionals. Our value proposition is that we bring it all together for you so that you don't need to worry about the costs & mechanics of the actual gaming site, and can leverage your resources on marketing instead. Our clients have discovered that the most effective marketing is actually done via off-line methods since there is a lot less competition. I hope this address your concerns.

    There are some good ideas in this thread, and we'll start to incorporate these into our site. Thank-you.


    Cindy :thumbsup:
     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2005
  22. Dec 7, 2005
  23. mary

    mary Dormant account

    Who is Interactive Gaming? Why should anybody believe that they are other than just a name change for the guys at Futurebet (who have already undergone several name changes as they burn partners). If Interactive Gaming is a separate company, what is their relationship with Futurebet?


    Registrant:
    Interactive Gaming Systems
    IGS Inc.
    2022 Cliff Drive, #378
    Santa Barbara, CA 93109
    US
    +1.8774044451 (FAX) +1.8774044451


    Administrative Contact:
    Interactive Gaming Systems
    IGS Inc.
    2022 Cliff Drive, #378
    Santa Barbara, CA 93109
    US
    +1.8774044451 (FAX) +1.8774044451


    Technical Contact:
    Interactive Gaming Systems
    IGS Inc.
    2022 Cliff Drive, #378
    Santa Barbara, CA 93109
    US
    +1.8774044451 (FAX) +1.8774044451


    Billing Contact
    Interactive Gaming Systems
    IGS Inc.
    2022 Cliff Drive, #378
    Santa Barbara, CA 93109
    US
    +1.8774044451 (FAX) +1.8774044451


    Registrar..: gkg.net (You must register/login in order to see the link.)
    Domain Name: INTERACTIVEGAMING.COM
    Created on..............: 14-FEB-1998
    Expires on..............: 13-FEB-2009
    Record last updated on..: 21-OCT-2005
    Status..................: ACTIVE

    Domain servers in listed order:

    NS1.INTERACTIVEG.COM
    NS2.INTERACTIVEG.COM

    Registrant:
    WW Processing
    Heritage Plaza
    Main Street
    Charlestown,
    KN

    Domain name: FUTUREBET.COM

    Administrative Contact:
    Administrator, Domain
    Heritage Plaza
    Main Street
    Charlestown,
    KN
    869-555-1212 Fax: 869-555-1212

    Technical Contact:
    Administrator, Domain
    Heritage Plaza
    Main Street
    Charlestown,
    KN
    869-555-1212 Fax: 869-555-1212



    Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
    Record last updated on 14-Jan-2005.
    Record expires on 08-Feb-2006.
    Record created on 09-Feb-1998.

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS1.WWPROCESSING.NET 66.199.173.146
    NS2.WWPROCESSING.NET 213.129.69.146


    Domain status: ACTIVE
     
  24. Dec 7, 2005
  25. mary

    mary Dormant account

    What is Brian Hurley's involvement with Gamecities?

    From SEC filings for IChance, later Futurebet:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

     
  26. Dec 7, 2005
  27. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Ah, names with a history - a walk back through some not so pleasing message board memories.

    I'm sure readers will find that a search on IGS and Futurebet and Hurley (Brian and Jeff) will bring forth all sorts of interesting material, from screwed players to questionable operator conduct and corporate manoeuvres - it will all be there in the archives.

    Who can forget the IGS troubles after it licensed a teenaged college student to run an online casino??!! The story then was that Futurebet was not involved with them and had sold IGS its source code.

    Names like Indio Casino and its software dispute with Futurebet (and consequences for owed players) will appear, as will the sad tale of one frustrated operator who eventually resorted to posting his FB problems on a website.

    Last I heard, though was that some of their licensees had banded together to bail the company out of financial difficulties, and they were now effectively in charge although Brian Hurley's name still seemed to associated with the venture.

    The 'meister, if I remember correctly even managed to identify one of the new owners?
     
  28. Dec 7, 2005
  29. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    If it was possible to market the way you describe, no one would be using any affiliates or adbuys.

    Casinos are very hard to SEO. The larger places surely have the money to hire all the SEO experts online. And they actually used to, except that any honest SEO expert will tell you that there is no way they can get any gambling site into the top ten listed sites because of the number of sites competing.

    Google results: Results 1 - 10 of about 23,700,000 for online gambling

    Yes, there are some casinos that do make it, but they are not going to be any white labels. To promote a white label sucessfully you either need a whole bunch of money or a web presence that even the most successful casinos cannot achieve.

    There are some affiliates and publishers with that kind of webpresence, but they would likely buy a real licence if they chose to do so. nd I have seen several do that over the years and seen them fail.

    If you think the type of SEO that puts sites on the top of google in gambling terms can be applied to casinos, you are mistaken or uninformed.

    The very few casinos who make it up there are all old, established outfits who have name recognition everywhere. To think that a new casino could make it by SEO is ridiculous.
     
  30. Dec 8, 2005
  31. CindyGame

    CindyGame Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    GameCities **Don't try to find it on any maps
    Important 2 know

    Interactive Gaming is not related to Futurebet in any way:rolleyes:
     
  32. Dec 8, 2005
  33. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    The have a common past - so that is a relationship (albeit a former one) in my book. :D
     
  34. Dec 8, 2005
  35. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Just so - and both have had their not very professional moments!
     
  36. Dec 8, 2005
  37. mary

    mary Dormant account

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