Affiliate for company but concerned about payment

[dunover]

Another affy related question.
If you sign up via a affiliate link can you change your mind once you opened the acc even after making a deposit and take the affiliation away if you get me?..

No, the account is permanently attached to the affiliate code within the link used to access the sign-up.

Although there have been many bent affiliate managers and programmes in the past and even now who will happily do this without you the player or the affiliate ever knowing - it's called 'detagging'. This means a big player who earns an affiliate good bucks very quickly will be re-tagged to the manager, or one of their friends' affiliate account so they can steal or split your earnings without you ever knowing about it. That is if the affiliate programme is outsourced, the casino won't know any different as the amount they pay the programme is the same.

If the casino has an in-house programme they can simply do this themselves to avoid the liability to you. It sounds bad, but believe me ask the old timer affiliates like @KasinoKing etc. about it!

I had one serious incidence of this when randomly checking an account run in Israel (surprise eh?) literally one minute after the daily update time at 11AM. To my joy I had several K in revenue added from the previous day, from a single player. I did a few other jobs, went back to revel in the stats about 10 minutes later, it had vanished. Got onto Skype, told them I had spotted this and got a faux-upset response "You don't trust us, you think we steal from you?" kinda crap. Was then told there had been a Netrefer 'error' (never seen one before or since although we do often get issues at another affiliate platform, Income Access). Go figure. It ain't just players that get ripped off.

 

[dunover]

I can throw in another affiliate-related question. @dunover
Do you know how the numbers compare between people like you running an affiliate site, and those who are streaming? Im guessing the big streamers get alot of signups, but i have zero idea how it looks for affiliate sites.

And no, im not thinking about becoming an affiliate. =)
Im sure in time, Netent will see all my shilling and hire me on the spot.

Affiliate sites like mine have tens, sometimes hundreds of different affiliate accounts in play. Out of say 70 accounts, each month I can get anything from 7 to over 20 that exceed their payout threshold and make me a payment. Some will do well, others just scrape past. Most will be under limit and have had little player interest/sign-ups or have had plenty of new players but they won overall so I get paid nothing. Most deals are RS (revenue share) which is best in the long run, the rest are hybrids (a fixed fee for a new depositor of say 100euros if they deposit 20 or more plus a lesser percentage RS). The fixed fee or Cost Per Acquisition (CPA) payment is ringfenced from the revenue share/commission so even if those players win, that still gets paid us.

The streamers have their model concentrated in far fewer casinos so they will bring in a far bigger volume of NDP's than I would at the same sites. So they get higher CPA payments of say 150 or 200euros per new depositor of 20euros+. Some do work solely on CPA with no RS and can easily get 50-200+ players in a weekend - there's big money in this. Most streamers though have realized now that their streams or channels can be closed at the drop of a hat by Twitch or YT so have sensibly hedged their bets and negotiated hybrid deals, so if the CPA payments stop, they still have historical players to provide a RS income for months or years afterwards.

The more money you make, the more power you have because if you're getting say 200 NDP's a weekend at 150euro each CPA (30k earned) , plus future RS you can then tell the next casino you will give them 100+ players at least a week (which they'll bite off your hand for) but want say 200e or 250e each. Once you can deliver the numbers, you can charge a hell of a lot.

This sounds hugely expensive for the casinos but they do it simply because using TV or media is even more costly per new player acquired. It's the economics of it. The only disadvantage is that these high volume players tend to be poor-quality and once they've made their 20euros first deposit at the behest of the streamer, tend to piss-off and not play again so the casino is ultimately out-of-pocket.

 

[Kroffe]

Affiliate sites like mine have tens, sometimes hundreds of different affiliate accounts in play. Out of say 70 accounts, each month I can get anything from 7 to over 20 that exceed their payout threshold and make me a payment. Some will do well, others just scrape past. Most will be under limit and have had little player interest/sign-ups or have had plenty of new players but they won overall so I get paid nothing. Most deals are RS (revenue share) which is best in the long run, the rest are hybrids (a fixed fee for a new depositor of say 100euros if they deposit 20 or more plus a lesser percentage RS). The fixed fee or Cost Per Acquisition (CPA) payment is ringfenced from the revenue share/commission so even if those players win, that still gets paid us.

The streamers have their model concentrated in far fewer casinos so they will bring in a far bigger volume of NDP's than I would at the same sites. So they get higher CPA payments of say 150 or 200euros per new depositor of 20euros+. Some do work solely on CPA with no RS and can easily get 50-200+ players in a weekend - there's big money in this. Most streamers though have realized now that their streams or channels can be closed at the drop of a hat by Twitch or YT so have sensibly hedged their bets and negotiated hybrid deals, so if the CPA payments stop, they still have historical players to provide a RS income for months or years afterwards.

The more money you make, the more power you have because if you're getting say 200 NDP's a weekend at 150euro each CPA (30k earned) , plus future RS you can then tell the next casino you will give them 100+ players at least a week (which they'll bite off your hand for) but want say 200e or 250e each. Once you can deliver the numbers, you can charge a hell of a lot.

This sounds hugely expensive for the casinos but they do it simply because using TV or media is even more costly per new player acquired. It's the economics of it. The only disadvantage is that these high volume players tend to be poor-quality and once they've made their 20euros first deposit at the behest of the streamer, tend to piss-off and not play again so the casino is ultimately out-of-pocket.

Do affiliates ever contact casinos about players?
Like "Oh, Kroffe lost €10k this month, thats a bit more than his usual €200-400, maybe somethings up."
I know its the casinos responsibility to pick up these things, but we all know that does not always work.
So i was wondering if affiliates ever raise concerns about players spending/losses.

Thanks for the detailed answer by the way.
=)

 

[dunover]

Do affiliates ever contact casinos about players?
Like "Oh, Kroffe lost €10k this month, thats a bit more than his usual €200-400, maybe somethings up."

Do they f*ck. Firstly because they are in it for the money, secondly because we don't know the identity of the players anyway. They are just country, deposit amount, turnover, income etc.

In the example you describe, the likely outcome is the aff manger would Skype you and congratulate you for getting the player and all the money they spent, which means as well as our cut the aff manager gets a bit in most cases too. Which is why we get those happy Skypes when it happens.

P.S. It's the casino's job to spot problem gambling and check SoW/affordability, not the affiliate's.

 

[Kroffe]

Do they f*ck.

This reminded me of a Louis ck bit.
Its funny how typing out "f*ck" is somehow seen as ok by the general public, and "fuck" is not.
Its not like people are reading it "fstarck", everybody reads it as "fuck".

Anyway heres the bit.

 

[goatwack]

This reminded me of a Louis ck bit.
Its funny how typing out "f*ck" is somehow seen as ok by the general public, and "fuck" is not.
Its not like people are reading it "fstarck", everybody reads it as "fuck".

Anyway heres the bit.

Thankyou. Where would we be without you clearing that up for us

 

[Kroffe]

Thankyou. Where would we be without you clearing that up for us

Just trying to set the world right one problem at a time!

 

[DoubleTree1962]

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Beware Do Not Bet with Fansbet | Fansbet Defaulting on Payments

 

[dunover]

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Beware Do Not Bet with Fansbet | Fansbet Defaulting on Payments

Please refrain from posting links to affiliate sites on here. Read the forum rules.

Thank-you.

 

[Guntis]

I can throw in another affiliate-related question. @dunover
Do you know how the numbers compare between people like you running an affiliate site, and those who are streaming? I'm guessing the big streamers get a lot of signups, but I have zero ideas how it looks for affiliate sites.

And no, I'm not thinking about becoming an affiliate. =)
I'm sure in time, Netent will see all my shilling and hire me on the spot.

The biggest buck receive those affiliates whose websites get organic traffic from search engines on keywords like best online casinos or best online casinos + location. Also, very good are online casinos that accept Paypal, Bitcoin, Trustly etc.

Such queries type in not only "small players" but also high rollers and all traffic from there go to affiliate sites that sit on the first 3 spots of Google search or to those that have the most attractive site titles within top 10 results.

For the most part, big players are not stupid and before a game, they look for information including guides, strategies, payment methods, withdrawal times, terms&conditions etc. I this case, those affs at the top of Google search on the topics related keywords will receive all the traffic.

With streamers is a different story. As a rule, their traffic is cheap (low quality). And that's because of the fact that among those people who watch streamers are many who have no single penny in their pocket.

Also, are tons of those whose main target is to take advantage of streamer's exclusive bonuses (free spins or 200% first deposit bonus) and in case of loss or win - never return to a casino again.

Instead of signing up through a streamer's link, many viewers would type in Google a name of the casino or that casino review.

This option would show them websites that Google thinks can answer their query the best and, as a rule, top affiliates or official casino sites would take all the traffic again.

So, I would not advise you to start streaming, mate .

You can still become famous and popular by delivering a super-exclusive content on any other subject too

 

[Kroffe]

The biggest buck receive those affiliates whose websites get organic traffic from search engines on keywords like best online casinos or best online casinos + location. Also, very good are online casinos that accept Paypal, Bitcoin, Trustly etc.

Such queries type in not only "small players" but also high rollers and all traffic from there go to affiliate sites that sit on the first 3 spots of Google search or to those that have the most attractive site titles within top 10 results.

For the most part, big players are not stupid and before a game, they look for information including guides, strategies, payment methods, withdrawal times, terms&conditions etc. I this case, those affs at the top of Google search on the topics related keywords will receive all the traffic.

With streamers is a different story. As a rule, their traffic is cheap (low quality). And that's because of the fact that among those people who watch streamers are many who have no single penny in their pocket.

Also, are tons of those whose main target is to take advantage of streamer's exclusive bonuses (free spins or 200% first deposit bonus) and in case of loss or win never return to a casino again.

Instead of signing up through a streamer's link, many viewers would type in a Google search bar a name of the casino or that casino review.

This option would show them websites that Google thinks can answer their query the best and, as a rule, top affiliates or official casino sites would take all the traffic again.

So, I would not advise you to start streaming, mate .

You can still become famous and popular by delivering a super-exclusive content on any other subject too

Oh i dont plan on streaming.
The world is not ready for a 9p doa stream yet.

Edit: Oh, and thanks for the answer!