Webzcas

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Yes, another Affiliate Edge thread, but this is important for those webmasters who like myself find themselves short changed to the tune of thousands of dollars, thanks to their 'FU' 'Inactive' 4.7 Clause, they somehow managed to sneak into their T & C's in February this year.

I didn't agree to this term, nor did I sign up to it back in 2006 when I joined what then was called CWC Affiliates.

So this is the first video in a series of videos I will be recording, documenting what action I and my company are taking in getting my money back . Which as it stands at the moment Affiliate Edge have stolen from me.

If you are a webmaster, you may also want to seriously consider following my lead.

 
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KasinoKing

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Great video - well done Dave! :notworthy

I never earned much with AE in the first place, not enough to go through that.
But maybe I should do the same thing with Sky Vegas - they pulled the exact same stunt in 2015, since when they have "stolen" nearly £5,000 from me too :mad:

KK
 

Webzcas

Winter is Coming!
I hear you KK with regards Sky Vegas. I thankfully did not promote them back then, but do alas have them on a small corner of my site, as from a player perspective they are actually good.

I am posting the above on GPWA and also AGD. I really hope other webmasters do the same. If anything, maybe perhaps I can set a precedent in the UK at least. Which will go some way to protect affiliates rights and interests.
 

ultra100

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What a shame! From being one of the most respected casino groups at the times for the USA, they finished right into the rogue section. As KK, I never had great conversions with them, but they were known for treating affiliates & players very well. You definately have a case here, Dave.

And here is a screenshot of the Terms back in 2016. Term 4.7 was added later on.

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Webzcas

Winter is Coming!
Many thanks for that screenshot. Yes, 4.7 was sneakily added in February of this year. Affiliate Partners were also not informed. Legally ITC Limited do not have a leg to stand on.

Let's see whether Warren Ferster and Stuart Ferster want me to prove this is the case through the courts.

I haven't taken this course of action lightly, but make no mistake this is the path I am willing to take. As I say in the video above, by all means call my bluff. But be warned Stuart and Warren I am holding all the aces.
 

dunover

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Good move, but beware posting videos in advance of the action impending!
This gives them chance to refuse to sign for the letter as they know any registered item will likely be yours and secondly to rename or move assets outside the company in anticipation of any court judgement and subsequent enforcement thereof - because that's exactly what these sort of people will do! You'll find that the office is rented and all significant liquid assets will be safely ensconced to Israel so if it got to High Court enforcement all the Sheriffs will find is a few next-to-worthless PC's, monitors and office desks and vehicles not in the company name.

As this lot fly in and out from Israel it's also unlikely they own any vehicles in the UK and they will be on hire agreements. You also need to be very specific in whose name the action is taken - them personally or the company, i.e. who is likely to have any tangible assets in the UK? :thumbsup:
 

Webzcas

Winter is Coming!
Interactive Technology Corporation Ltd is a UK Limited Company. The directors are Warren and Stuart Ferster. They live in Manchester - addresses available from Companies House. They have already received the email and if they refuse to sign for the letter and invoice then I will personally hand deliver it and film myself doing so.

For 5k I doubt very much they will go to major inconvenience of moving all and any assets they have.

I am documenting this course of action I am taking as they have warranted as much bad publicity that can be mustered. Plus they are scumbags, whose actions have cost affiliates thousands.
 

Casinomeister

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They owe us $$$$ too. I would recommend all affiliates to check their payment history. Make a screenshot and download the pdf files. Then check their banking history as see if it matches up.

I'm hoping for an explanation from these guys (like they sent payments to another bank by mistake), but so far this looks like criminal fraud.
 

JGslots

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Good luck guys, hope you get paid what is owed. Why can't people just play the fair game? This world is just full of crooks just wanting to make a quick buck. Is it likely they will get away with doing this? Honestly, I don't know how people sleep at night. Thanks very much for the video too mate.

Rob :)
 

Webzcas

Winter is Coming!
I am guessing that Warren and Stuart Ferster are banking on affiliates not taking any action. Too bad for them they have poked a stick in a wasps nest as far as I am concerned.

There is a meeting of affiliates in London tomorrow arranged by Tom Galanis, with several 'big' affiliates in attendance. Unfortunately due to the first day of new school term I am unable to attend. But if Tom gets this off the ground, affiliates will have more teeth to defend themselves against actions taken by the likes of Affiliate Edge.
 

benmooe

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Honestly if there are quite a few of you having this issue, it might be worth looking into getting a group case set up with a lawyer. Police will do nowt.
 

Webzcas

Winter is Coming!
Honestly if there are quite a few of you having this issue, it might be worth looking into getting a group case set up with a lawyer. Police will do nowt.
If there is a sniff of fraud, the police will actually take action. This is in addition to going through the courts to recover the monies Affiliate Edge are withholding.

Anyhow a couple of update videos.

 
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benmooe

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If there is a sniff of fraud, the police will actually take action. This is in addition to going through the courts to recover the monies Affiliate Edge are withholding.

Anyhow a couple of update videos.


Oh i mean, i get why you would tell the police, it's just they'll usually tell you it's a civil matter and to take it to court. I've had issues in other industries with affiliate payments and commission issues and dealt with ActionFraud et al. when trying to get money back. All actionfraud tell you to do is to tack on your reference number to any civil suit and if fraud is discovered, they then get involved.
 
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Webzcas

Winter is Coming!
Oh i mean, i get why you would tell the police, it's just they'll usually tell you it's a civil matter and to take it to court. I've had issues in other industries with affiliate payments and commission issues and dealt with ActionFraud et al. when trying to get money back. All actionfraud tell you to do is to tack on your reference number to any civil suit and if fraud is discovered, they then get involved.
I have my bases covered on this aspect. ;)

All and any affiliates who have experienced their players detagged by Affiliate Edge, please can you send me a PM.
 

Webzcas

Winter is Coming!
The Shaving concludes! I hope everyone downloaded all their statements and took the necessary screen shots. Again, if anyone has evidence of players being detagged, please send me an email with the info to davesawyer @ bathrockmedia.com.

I'm not dropping the ball on this one. They also have 18 days to pay me £4940.30 otherwise civil court action will commence. ;)
 

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Casinomeister

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What's the current situation on this subject? Did they finally pay out what's been owed?
Nope - they have gone into serious rogue status. I hope all affiliates have screenshots of their accounts going back at least a year. You will see that starting in February, you are being shaved.

I would also recommend that all affiliates contact their player base and tell your players to stop playing there. They need to switch over to another RTG casino that won't pull these shenanigans.
 
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