Affactive and Revenue Jet closing - owners facing jail!

[ThePOGG]

It's great to get confirmation on links between these groups. I'd already established something I felt was strongly indicative earlier this year;

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It's interesting how many links like this come up in the terms monitoring.....

 

[Mousey]

Just a side thought here.... I'm glad to see the US gov do something that takes wicked operators out. When they put the UIGEA into effect and the majority of excellent, reputable casinos pulled out of USA, the gov threw USA players to the wolves (with only a few 'good' USA facing casinos left) - so it's satisfying to see some the wolves go down.

 

[dunover]

It's been a few times now...and a few hints...so I'm going to ask it once for all:

Is Israel a hotbed for shady online gaming operations?

The fact Playtake hail from there says it all.

 

[Biti]

It's been a few times now...and a few hints...so I'm going to ask it once for all:

Is Israel a hotbed for shady online gaming operations?

Israeli government is taking apropiate action at least. Shalon is arrested and is taken into custody. That Aaron guy is still free... in Russia. Meanwhile it seems that good old Europe is doing nothing. As usual. That whole Malta license thing seems to be a farce, just like Gibraltar, UK, etc.

 

[Casinomeister]

Just a side thought here.... I'm glad to see the US gov do something that takes wicked operators out. When they put the UIGEA into effect and the majority of excellent, reputable casinos pulled out of USA, the gov threw USA players to the wolves (with only a few 'good' USA facing casinos left) - so it's satisfying to see some the wolves go down.

This is just happen chance. It so happens that the main guy arrested by the feds is the one who owns(ed) Affactive and RevenueJet - he is being charged with a number of things, but nothing to do with online gaming.

One thing that may come out of this - since he has ties to a number of hackers and ddos attackers, I'm sure he's going to cop to some plea by naming these folks. This is a great day for anyone who uses the Internet.

 

[tomgalanis]

One thing that may come out of this - since he has ties to a number of hackers and ddos attackers, I'm sure he's going to cop to some plea by naming these folks. This is a great day for anyone who uses the Internet.

Excellent shout. There's a good chance these guys know of, and hold evidence against, every major crook in Israel's cyberspace - not least iGaming.

This could become an AWESOME spectacle. Most splendid.

 

[milemaster]

Curgam Malta

Here's to hoping the scumbags at the Curgam Malta group are next. Those are pure criminals over there.

 

[spintee]

Will they just not buy them selfs out of it?

Money talks in this day and age & If they are as big as whats been said than surley unless they get extradited I see them walking with a amile

 

[BigSD]

I was still receiving promotional emails from Grand Parker and Slots Jungle yesterday. I tried to log in to Slots Jungle but I couldn't. So they were still sending offers when their site was down.

I had $2200 in Grand Parker too which I guess is gone forever.

 

[mattsgame]

This news, didn't really surprise me tbh.

The biggest thing for me about this, is the fact, that these guys also have 1000's of players personal details and I.D docs. Not really the kind of people I would want to have those o_O

 

[maxd]

Will they just not buy them selfs out of it?

There may be a difference between a guy running some online gambling sites getting pinched and then released after transferring his bank account to the DOJ VS guys like this with a shed-load of long-standing and serious criminal charges against them finally feeling the long arm of the law. Fingers crossed.

 

[Biti]

There may be a difference between a guy running some online gambling sites getting pinched and then released after transferring his bank account to the DOJ and guys like this with a shed-load of serious criminal charges against them finally feeling the long arm of the law. Fingers crossed.

Well, these ones for sure were not operating alone. The keyboard work was did by other ones who still could operate and I'm quite sure these three also might have had some "chef". It's interesting to see if they will talk in the USA. I guess they'll do.

 

[maxd]

... I'm quite sure these three also might have had some "chef".

One of them _is_ the "chef", been known to industry insiders as Public Enemy #1 for years. I believe Bryan has already pointed this out.

 

[KasinoKing]

I had $2200 in Grand Parker too which I guess is gone forever.

Ouch!

Complete and utter speculation here: Suppose the casinos were forced to stop operating because the FEDs ceased all the defendants' assets. There may come a time where those assets are sold to the highest bidder. These groups MUST have had a MASSIVE data-base of real players and potential players' information - maybe another group with enough money could buy it all up. They could then re-open some/all of the casinos, or just transfer the players to their existing brands. As part of the deal, creditors would have to be paid (i.e. staff and players who are owed money).
Probably EXTREMELY unlikely and it would probably take years anyway, but I think that's the only way players will see 1c of their money.

KK

 

[peterhanneman]

I should add that the whole online casino aspect of things is peanuts compared to what this guy was into. He's facing hard time for manipulating penny stocks, hacking into millions of US bank accounts. The Affactive and RevenueJet companies were probably just a hobby for him.

Going further with this, it will be interesting to see how this affects other businesses - other online casino entities that he may have had a hand in.

That's serious stuff. Hacking into bank accounts is a huge matter and I'm sure if the police have caught him, he's going down for a long, long time for doing such things. I didn't think he had been doing anything so serious.

 

[Simmo!]

Bayton / Conan posts moved to new thread to prevent derail

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...sion-cut-from-affactive-thread.68437/?t=68437

 

[nisosbar]

Ouch!

Complete and utter speculation here: Suppose the casinos were forced to stop operating because the FEDs ceased all the defendants' assets. There may come a time where those assets are sold to the highest bidder. These groups MUST have had a MASSIVE data-base of real players and potential players' information - maybe another group with enough money could buy it all up. They could then re-open some/all of the casinos, or just transfer the players to their existing brands. As part of the deal, creditors would have to be paid (i.e. staff and players who are owed money).
Probably EXTREMELY unlikely and it would probably take years anyway, but I think that's the only way players will see 1c of their money.

KK

Why "EXTREMELY unlikely"? Wasn't the precedent for that set in the Full Tilt Poker fiasco, where Pokerstars bought FTP and paid players who were owed money?

 

[t4llek]

Why "EXTREMELY unlikely"? Wasn't the precedent for that set in the Full Tilt Poker fiasco, where Pokerstars bought FTP and paid players who were owed money?

not really, the ultimate bet/ absolute poker and the lockpoker/lockcasino say otherwise, lock is supposedly 15 million in debt towards players alone, ultimate bet was a much larger steal with rumours of up tp 50 M that players never saw a dime of, the full tilt case was well resolved because they were the 2nd largest operator in the business and because it had pokerstars finger in it ofc.

 

[Casinomeister]

... There may come a time where those assets are sold to the highest bidder. These groups MUST have had a MASSIVE data-base of real players and potential players' information - maybe another group with enough money could buy it all up...

It will never happen. The money was gained illegally - and the databases were stolen.

There is not a player who will be paid out - and affiliates can just blame their own stupidity for dealing with these guys. The writing was on the wall for a long enough time for everyone to bail. If you didn't, it's your own damn fault.

 

[justred]

The closure of the casinos - presuming that these are the people in charge of them - will be related to the freezing of their financial assets.

Which implies that the casino operations have been linked to them in some way or another. They may be extradited for one thing, but it won't take much for the DOJ and FBI to connect a few dots if they haven't already.

 

[Casinomeister]

Which implies that the casino operations have been linked to them in some way or another. They may be extradited for one thing, but it won't take much for the DOJ and FBI to connect a few dots if they haven't already.

The dots have been connected for some time. Here is the indictment from the DOJ:

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This gives the aliases and shell companies that these guys were using - some of which are mentioned here in this posting that Zanzibar made during the Topgame/Affactive meltdown of 2011:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/all-topgames-casinos-are-down-ddos-attacks.47338/

That's about all I have to say about this subject - except that these guys were pretty busy back then.

 

[spintee]

They sure using a hell of alot of names (aka)