Accreditation criteria: Free-play games return as much as real-money games?

MichaelBluejay

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Here's an idea for an additional criterion for becoming an accredited casino: the free-play games should have the same odds as the real-money games. I imagine that's already the case at most casinos, and almost certainly all casinos that are already accredited, but by having it be an explicit criteria, we'd know for sure that the accredited casinos attest that free-play and real-money games have the same odds. It would also help show the community another example of the kind of integrity expected from online casinos.

What do you all think?
 

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Here's an idea for an additional criterion for becoming an accredited casino: the free-play games should have the same odds as the real-money games. I imagine that's already the case at most casinos, and almost certainly all casinos that are already accredited, but by having it be an explicit criteria, we'd know for sure that the accredited casinos attest that free-play and real-money games have the same odds. It would also help show the community another example of the kind of integrity expected from online casinos.

What do you all think?
Pretty sure this is already the case Mr BlueJay!

(Edited to remove friendly abbreviation of first name, apologies)
 
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Here's an idea for an additional criterion for becoming an accredited casino: the free-play games should have the same odds as the real-money games. I imagine that's already the case at most casinos, and almost certainly all casinos that are already accredited, but by having it be an explicit criteria, we'd know for sure that the accredited casinos attest that free-play and real-money games have the same odds. It would also help show the community another example of the kind of integrity expected from online casinos.

What do you all think?
Oh, not this old one again! :mad::mad::mad:

In ANY licensing authority you play under in Europe, especially the UK, the games represented MUST be reflective of the real-money games, viz-a-viz the same and results pulled from the same server. They are all independently and professionally audited for billions of spins anyway before being released to any real-money players to play.

You won't see any accredited casino offering bent fun-mode games and to suggest they do may earn you a few reps' boots up your jacksie.

The accredited casinos can't 'attest' anything as they don't own, control or make the software; they merely tell you the stated TRTP. Testing is done independently as I said under supervision of licensing authorities. The LAST thing any casino wants to be caught with is dodgy games, trust me.

There have been one or two cases of this in the past, but not slots at accredited sites, you're talking dodgy sites with ripped-off games. Under Gibraltar Licensing there was the Spielo affair and the limp-wrists in Gibraltar gently easing it under the carpet with a refusal to make the casinos (whose pockets they are in) recompense players.
 

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Been through this before.

Nearly every slot should play same in fun and real mode.

One exception is some marvel playtech slots that's features play differently at all playtech casinos even the large UK bookmakers unless they have changed it recently.

Hate playtech so much I cant even face trying it again but Avengers free spins in demo mode pays huge nearly every time and in real play it pays little most of time. Been threads on this before.
 

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Thank you for the replies. Let me try to clarify: My question is, would this be a good addition to the accredited casinos criteria? If not, why not?
 

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Oh, not this old one again! :mad::mad::mad:

In ANY licensing authority you play under in Europe, especially the UK, the games represented MUST be reflective of the real-money games, viz-a-viz the same and results pulled from the same server. They are all independently and professionally audited for billions of spins anyway before being released to any real-money players to play.

You won't see any accredited casino offering bent fun-mode games and to suggest they do may earn you a few reps' boots up your jacksie.

The accredited casinos can't 'attest' anything as they don't own, control or make the software; they merely tell you the stated TRTP. Testing is done independently as I said under supervision of licensing authorities. The LAST thing any casino wants to be caught with is dodgy games, trust me.

There have been one or two cases of this in the past, but not slots at accredited sites, you're talking dodgy sites with ripped-off games. Under Gibraltar Licensing there was the Spielo affair and the limp-wrists in Gibraltar gently easing it under the carpet with a refusal to make the casinos (whose pockets they are in) recompense players.
Post says it all. But thank you very much for pointing that out in your thread Mikey:thumbsup:
 

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Thank you for the replies. Let me try to clarify: My question is, would this be a good addition to the accredited casinos criteria? If not, why not?
Because, again, it is moot. It would be as useful as a rubber sanitary towel. All accredited sites have audited and kosher games and must display the same game in fun and real. It's a non-event. You may as well give all the accredited sites an extra point if they have at least one red pixel in their front page.

To do it would suggest that reservation or non-accredited but good sites (like Sky for example) may not have straight games. No good could come of it.
 

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Here's an idea for an additional criterion for becoming an accredited casino: the free-play games should have the same odds as the real-money games. I imagine that's already the case at most casinos, and almost certainly all casinos that are already accredited, but by having it be an explicit criteria, we'd know for sure that the accredited casinos attest that free-play and real-money games have the same odds. It would also help show the community another example of the kind of integrity expected from online casinos.

What do you all think?
Its already standard knowledge that games in Free Play will play exactly the same as in paid play with reputable software so as Dunover said Mikey its a moot point :cool:
 

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As I said, my name is Michael. I don't know why some of you insist on being rude, but I'll take the hint and leave.
I'd take it as a sign of familiarity and welcoming personally and not as being intentionally rude. Granted, it isn't your preferred name and that's certainly your prerogative. But CM really is more family-vibe than passersby so I'd stick with it. :thumbsup:
 

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I had to laugh at this person. Not so much at him, per se, but his insistence that he be called "Michael"

When my now 35 year old son was a very small boy, he was the same way.

Many people had attempted to call him "Mikey"

To which he would reply a very emphatic "My name is "Michael"!!!

Well, fast forward about 30 years............. he goes by "Mikey" now.

I would have NEVER seen that coming!

(Maybe he WAS called "Mikey" as a child!)
 

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Michael is no newbie, he works at WizardofOdds, but doesn't post here very often. Some people DO see over familiarity as rude. When I was at school, it was not acceptable to call teachers by their first name, and often it wasn't even known by most pupils. Things have changed now and familiarity has become more common, even pupils are permitted to address teachers by their first name in some schools!

Although we take it for granted that real money and practice play should be exactly the same, for completeness it ought to be in the standards for accreditation along with other standards that are expected of all casinos. There have been cases in the past where "fun play" has paid far more than real money play, and although most regulatory authorities would never allow this, not all parts of the world offer players the kind of protection afforded to those in places like the EU, and these players can play anywhere, and any operator can accept them. It would be reassuring to have it made obvious that in order to be accredited, casinos cannot use "loose" fun play games as a marketing tool to lure players into real money play regardless of what their regulatory authority allows. I am sure the Costa Rica licencing authority would allow pretty much anything, but there have been a very small number of casinos in the past that have achieved accreditation on their own merit despite holding a licence from Costa Rica. Current accredited casinos should not fear the addition of such a standard as of course they already adhere to it, and won't get caught out by even the cleverest player here; will they ;)
 

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Michael is no newbie, he works at WizardofOdds, but doesn't post here very often. Some people DO see over familiarity as rude. When I was at school, it was not acceptable to call teachers by their first name, and often it wasn't even known by most pupils. Things have changed now and familiarity has become more common, even pupils are permitted to address teachers by their first name in some schools!

Although we take it for granted that real money and practice play should be exactly the same, for completeness it ought to be in the standards for accreditation along with other standards that are expected of all casinos. There have been cases in the past where "fun play" has paid far more than real money play, and although most regulatory authorities would never allow this, not all parts of the world offer players the kind of protection afforded to those in places like the EU, and these players can play anywhere, and any operator can accept them. It would be reassuring to have it made obvious that in order to be accredited, casinos cannot use "loose" fun play games as a marketing tool to lure players into real money play regardless of what their regulatory authority allows. I am sure the Costa Rica licencing authority would allow pretty much anything, but there have been a very small number of casinos in the past that have achieved accreditation on their own merit despite holding a licence from Costa Rica. Current accredited casinos should not fear the addition of such a standard as of course they already adhere to it, and won't get caught out by even the cleverest player here; will they ;)
I doubt it; there's no such thing as a 'Costa Rica Gambling License'. They license businesses of any ilk in exchange for a handful of pay-as-you-go Vodafone vouchers and a carton of Benson and Hedges. Any casino operating from a CR address has NO license to dispense gambling.
 

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Come on guys,

If the OP wants to be called by his real name why can't you respect that? You're better than that.
 

vinylweatherman

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I doubt it; there's no such thing as a 'Costa Rica Gambling License'. They license businesses of any ilk in exchange for a handful of pay-as-you-go Vodafone vouchers and a carton of Benson and Hedges. Any casino operating from a CR address has NO license to dispense gambling.
That's why they can do pretty much what they like, and would usually be an automatic bar for accreditation. A couple did manage accreditation in the past because Bryan trusted the people behind the operation not to misbehave. This was in the "wild west" days when there wasn't much to choose between licences, they were all barely worth the paper they were written on.

I think most of the better outfits migrated from Costa Rica to Curacao, which isn't quite as bad. Kahnawake in the mean time went from pretty useless to one of the best, better even than jurisdictions like Malta and Gibraltar (which were never that good, but benefitted from being on the UK whitelist by default under EU rules).
 

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