Accounts locked at bellerock

vinylweatherman

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Proc Cyber

One thing I wanted to add that I overlooked.

A few years back I had a number of accounts locked for no reason. I requested a casino manager to contact Proc Cyber Services on my behalf.

It turned out that there was a player from Denmark who had been up to no good, with the same Last name & same birthdate. Even though my IP & other info were identified as coming frmo Australia, all my accounts under PCS where closed.

This turned into a total nightmare and was a royal pain the a## to get all my accounts re-opened.

I'm wondering if this could be the case here too, mistaken identity.

If this is how Proc Cyber operate then I expect there are MANY innocent players having trouble. Same last name is hardly a unique identifier, and even with the same birthdate, they should see that the odds are in favour of innocence given that the locations are not just different, but on a different continent!
Given the almost total lack of appeal against such inept decision making, we should expect better.

If the casinos want to stamp out real fraud, they need to act honestly at their end, rather than use fraud as an excuse to make life difficult when they simply "don't like" a particular player.
 

GrandMaster

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Jan 21, 2004
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UK
If this is how Proc Cyber operate then I expect there are MANY innocent players having trouble. Same last name is hardly a unique identifier, and even with the same birthdate, they should see that the odds are in favour of innocence given that the locations are not just different, but on a different continent!
Those evil Danes. They will even move to the other end of the world just to exploit poor innocent casinos. :)

I wonder if the casinos realize how easy it is to change one's name legally in the UK.
 

Blondie8104

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Nov 11, 2006
Location
USA
BelleRock

There are quite a few things going on at Belle rock. Missing money, double and triple charges ect. Fraud!!!! I have contacted e-cogra and it took them one day to check things out and River Belle one day to look through 300 pages of missapropeted funds. Their conclusion is if you get hacked by someone or a computer problem well lol not our problem.
Blondie8104
 

Blondie8104

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USA
Lots

Thanks,
Belle Rock is not what it seems. I asked them to lock my accounts because of double and triple withdraws at the same time and they did not. I wrote them faxed them 300 pages of abuse and also to e-cogra and in their so called disclamer they are not responsible for us having our idenity stolen or being hacked.
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Casinomeister

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Was your system or computer hacked? They (as in most online casinos) usually state in their terms and conditions that it is your responsibility to ensure that your system is free from viruses, trojans, etc.

http://www.luckynugget.com/casino-terms.asp
2.4. Although we shall take all reasonable measures to ensure that the Software and files are free from computer viruses we cannot and do not guarantee that the Software and files are free of such problems. It is your responsibility to protect your systems and have in place the ability to reinstall any data or programs lost due to a virus.


If a players account is hacked, it's usually pretty easy to figure out if this is really "hacked" or not. Are there withdrawals being made, are games being played (if so which ones and how), what IP addresses are being used? etc. etc.

What exactly happened in your case? You are not making yourself very clear.
 

vinylweatherman

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Evidence

If the hack originated due to BelleRock themselves allowing a leak of your data, then they will not be protected by that term. There has already been a thread critical of Main Street setting passwords to the same value as the user ID when accounts were moved to RTG. While it can be difficult to steal the funds by hacking into an account, it is very easy indeed to gamble away the victim's money, and it may even be possible to deposit more doe to a potential security hole in the banking software mentioned in a Casinomeister webcast in relation to the CCV field not validating properly for card deposits (in effect, the deposit went through even if a random number was typed in).
MG casinos will register and store deposit methods, and deposits need only a password or CCV code to go through.

Playcheck and Cashckeck will provide evidence of what and when. All you need is an alibi to show that you could not possibly have made the deposits due to not being in a position to access the software. It is also possible to examine your PC to determine if any kind of virus keylogger has become installed, and possibly trace who it is sending the data to.
As well as keyloggers, it is now possible to have screenloggers installed by virus backdoors - these can transmit your whole screen view to a criminal over the internet!
 

aussiekeith

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Jun 2, 2006
Location
South Australia
I decided I would try going back with some of the casinos in the bellerock group after they sent me emails.
Getting hold of Help service in Live Help is almost impossible.
They sent me a list of phone numbers in the email after my withdrawal and the phone number for Australia free call does not work.
If I email them, I get a comformation email that my email has been recieved and that is it, they never send me a reply to my question.
This casino group used to be good very early this year but now I am finding it is impossible to recieve any help from them whatsoever.
Has anybody else had similar issues at all.
I even emailed the rep in here a private message more than 24 hours ago and and have recieved nothing back as yet.
They send me emails out to 3 of my email addresses at least 2 times weekly and none of the mail I have sent to them is coming back as being stopped by a spam filter or anything like that. It is really quite hopeless. I would have though that with what is happening lately with the issues in the USA that online casinos would be working hard to support clients.
 

vinylweatherman

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I decided I would try going back with some of the casinos in the bellerock group after they sent me emails.
Getting hold of Help service in Live Help is almost impossible.
They sent me a list of phone numbers in the email after my withdrawal and the phone number for Australia free call does not work.
If I email them, I get a comformation email that my email has been recieved and that is it, they never send me a reply to my question.
This casino group used to be good very early this year but now I am finding it is impossible to recieve any help from them whatsoever.
Has anybody else had similar issues at all.
I even emailed the rep in here a private message more than 24 hours ago and and have recieved nothing back as yet.
They send me emails out to 3 of my email addresses at least 2 times weekly and none of the mail I have sent to them is coming back as being stopped by a spam filter or anything like that. It is really quite hopeless. I would have though that with what is happening lately with the issues in the USA that online casinos would be working hard to support clients.

Quite, but that does not seem to be happening at the moment, indeed, some groups seem to be giving up altogether, especially the publicly listed companies that thought the US would never get anything past congress that would worry them (fact is they didn't, but the US scare tactics of arresting execs has done the trick!)
 

aussiekeith

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Jun 2, 2006
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South Australia
I finally got my issues sorted out after over a week with BelleRock last night by finally catching up with a person in live help at last.
And yep good reply there from you, vinylweatherman.
 

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