ATTN: Casino Rep Accidental Max Bet Hell at 21Casino

Spikie

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I did the same on Dolphins Pearl at £100 spins on a balance of 2k I think ...

4 spins in saw a win of 2k on a very insignificant win line , then noticed the bet size , then cashed out straight away .

It works both ways ,but all slots should load up or revert to minimum base size on crashes or errors.

and maybe if you place a bet say 10x your average amount , it should ask for confirmation.

Thqt shouldn’t be too much to program in for casinos or providers.
 

ChopleyIOM

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I've checked all the account options at 21Casino and they do have stuff like session duration limits and deposit limits, but nothing to limit betsize, which is definitely something I'd use and set at £2 or maybe even £1, because anything above that and I've done something wrong and I don't want to place that bet.

It is annoying, I mean, who the fuck rocks up to a slot they've never played before, from a provider they've never played before, and says, 'Yep, £125 spin, that's where I'm starting from', even Roshtein Endless 300% Reload Bonus Super Hatman doesn't roll like that, and he gets free money!

One can't help but think that somewhere between the casino itself, and the providers they carry, they'd manage some sort of failsafe that kicks in when someone whose average bet is around 25p over tens of thousands of spins, suddenly decides to make a bet of £125.

Or even just set a default trigger for a 'big bet', so if any player tries to make a bet of over £10, or some other similar amount, you get a popup that says, 'Do you want to unlock betting at this stake? This setting will persist for the rest of your current session.'

Well fuck it, that's the quickest and worst £125 I've ever spent, and I've spunked money on some pretty sketchy shit in my time.

Guess how much slotting I've felt like doing this evening since then?

'Precisely fuck all' would be the correct answer.
 
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colinsunderland

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Personally if you click a button stating decrease stake, then it should decrease it, not increase it.

If you don't get any joy from the casino, then I would make a complaint to them, and copy the UKGC in, as it's hardly responsible gambling, if reducing a stake makes it a maximum bet.

Tagging the rep would probably be helpful :)

@jacksparks

EDIT: oh another rep who hasn't logged on for well over a week @LadyJelena @Casinomeister
 

ChopleyIOM

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Personally if you click a button stating decrease stake, then it should decrease it, not increase it.

If you don't get any joy from the casino, then I would make a complaint to them, and copy the UKGC in, as it's hardly responsible gambling, if reducing a stake makes it a maximum bet.

Tagging the rep would probably be helpful :)

@jacksparks

EDIT: oh another rep who hasn't logged on for well over a week @LadyJelena @Casinomeister

Thanks colin I tried to tag '21Casino' but it didn't work, I knew there'd been some shenanigans around the rep here but that 21Casino still had one, so thanks for that.

It would be nice to get some input from the rep of a casino that is, after all, accredited here at CM.

I'm not suggesting for one second that it wasn't my mistake, but I think there are valid questions around the ease with which one can place a £125 bet, especially from a customer who has never previously placed a bet of above £1 at the casino, and whose average bet is around 25-30p.
 

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You have my sympathy, and your max bet mistake seems much more "valid" than mine, but on my thread the general consensus was that I was at fault. I was a bit tipsy at the time so that didnt help, it still hurt though as like you I am a low roller and £100 was a week or 2s slot budget.
 

Balthazar

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I got burned by Starburst many years ago. I accidentally clicked on Max Bet (which is right next to the spin button) and it silently changed my bet from $0.50 to $20/spin but it didn't actually spin, it just changed the bet size. I never noticed it and I got a whole 5 spins out of my $100 deposit.

My biggest bet on that site was like $0.80 at the time so the GUTS rep here gave me my deposit back. I don't remember his name unfortunately but he was very nice and very active here back then.

I liked the Guts days...I got a few memorable wins there too. They were pretty much kings here for a short period (between the 32Red era and the Videoslots takeover).
 

ChopleyIOM

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I'd really like to extend my thanks to @jacksparks for resolving this for me.

Having reviewed my account history he has confirmed that the bet was in his opinion clearly placed in error. (As I mentioned earlier, I've made a few deposits/withdrawals from 21Casino and have a fairly chunky game history with them, so he has a decent amount of data on my playstyle.)

As such he has credited £125 to my casino account to put me back in the position I was before placing the unfortunate bet!

Obviously there's no kind of precedent being set here and the casino had no obligation to refund me anything, and I'm certainly going to be more careful in future because I wouldn't expect to be extended the same courtesy twice.

But yes, many thanks to Jack and a very good advertisement for only playing at accredited casinos with reps active here at the forums!

Also as per Jack's post above, he's going to feed back to the provider about this, as it's not a great piece of UI design!

Anyway, a happy resolution in the end :)
 
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Scott1baird

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I'd really like to extend my thanks to @jacksparks for resolving this for me.

Having reviewed my account history he has confirmed that the bet was in his opinion clearly placed in error. (As I mentioned earlier, I've made a few deposits/withdrawals from 21Casino and have a fairly chunky game history with them, so he has a decent amount of data on my playstyle.)

As such he has credited £125 to my casino account to put me back in the position I was before placing the unfortunate bet!

Obviously there's no kind of precedent being set here and the casino had no obligation to refund me anything, and I'm certainly going to be more careful in future because I wouldn't expect to be extended the same courtesy twice.

But yes, many thanks to Jack and a very good advertisement for only playing at accredited casinos with reps active here at the forums!

Also as per Jack's post above, he's going to feed back to the provider about this, as it's not a great piece of UI design!

Anyway, a happy resolution in the end :)
Can't resist. Probably didn't wanna sit through an hour or two of one of your videos explaining what happened. Lol
 

Jono777

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I'd really like to extend my thanks to @jacksparks for resolving this for me.

Having reviewed my account history he has confirmed that the bet was in his opinion clearly placed in error. (As I mentioned earlier, I've made a few deposits/withdrawals from 21Casino and have a fairly chunky game history with them, so he has a decent amount of data on my playstyle.)

As such he has credited £125 to my casino account to put me back in the position I was before placing the unfortunate bet!

Obviously there's no kind of precedent being set here and the casino had no obligation to refund me anything, and I'm certainly going to be more careful in future because I wouldn't expect to be extended the same courtesy twice.

But yes, many thanks to Jack and a very good advertisement for only playing at accredited casinos with reps active here at the forums!

Also as per Jack's post above, he's going to feed back to the provider about this, as it's not a great piece of UI design!

Anyway, a happy resolution in the end :)

EXCELLENT!

Before I'd even read this post, I pretty much knew what it was going to say!

Transparency and honesty from the start by OP, together with what looks like to be a well run casino, giving IMO the right outcome which I'd hoped for (and thought would happen) from the start

Great stuff Chops! :thumbsup:
 

Siohmy

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Excellent outcome but it does make you wonder with all the affordability to gamble checks how the ability to accidentally max bet for such a huge amount slips the net. I do feel casinos should follow VS lead and have a max stake option in your profile and ADVERTISE IT! One thing I do admire with Sky is that they actively draw your attention to the control limits they have in place. More of this is a good thing.

One of the things from Louis Theroux’s Vegas doc a while back (14 years in fact!) was the response that Vegas wants people to win occasionally and also have a good time. If you make customers feel like they are being looked after they will return. If you make them feel like you are mercenaries then for the cost of £100-200 (ok can hit unlikely huge win) you’ve lost potentially thousands of pounds in consistent revenue. I can see from LeoVegas this my net loss for the last 2 1/2 years is £7k which for the amount and level I play is bloody awful but just goes to show how much even modest gamblers contribute.
 

TheD

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When I started reading the thread I felt the most fair solution would be to refund half the stake based on the fact they would have paid if you won.

It’s nice to see they went one step further and refunded it all. :thumbsup:

I hope they update you with the software providers response. They are the guilty ones here. There is no excuse for such a horrible design flaw.
 

9HOURSAWAY

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I'm happy you got your £125.00 back, glad common sense has won for once.
I guess there is a point to be made that had you hit and won big would you have contacted the casino to arrange a refund?.....I know I wouldn't!
 

kidgloves

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Serves you right for multi-hearth-stoning-pc-tasking-gambling all at once. You should know women are the only ones that can multi-task :)
Seriously, that sucks ass. What can you do though.....I cherish my VS £5 max bet limit, except when I want a roasting on the Monopoly Wheel/Crazy Time.
I mean, what percentage of people even bet max these days? We'd be better off with a Bet Min button, it would get far more use but no chance on that.
 
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