Absolute Poker is absolutely rigged. (New evidence, near certain proof its rigged).

Newb to the site here and happy to have found this site.

In light of all the goings on at AP, do people think users should avoid the Blackjack section of AP as well?

I never trusted AP's blackjack even before this all started. I've never had so much bad (sic) luck there, and by observing other people at the same tables, I would say the same applied to them.
 
I never trusted AP's blackjack even before this all started. I've never had so much bad (sic) luck there, and by observing other people at the same tables, I would say the same applied to them.

I have several accounts that randomly get $10 put into it as a come back bonus. Every time I go to BJ and virtually every time I lose 10 $1 bets in 15-20 hands. Of course the risk of ruin is very high but the fact it is a constant loss is very sketchy. I have no scientific evidence of course but if I was going to deposit somewhere to play BJ it sure wouldn't be there or Ultimate Bet and that was before they were proven to be thieves.
 
petkaymad said:
In light of all the goings on at AP, do people think users should avoid the Blackjack section of AP as well?
Cheaters are Cheaters... no matter what game their playing.
 
I might be wrong, but didn't Jetset post something here regarding a 6th of December report to come out from ther owners of the place..??
 
You're right - the date referred to the finalisation of the report by Gaming Associates and its submission to KGC, which would then consider its public dissemination through "selected" media.

I imagine "selected" would include 911, which seemed to be the Absolute Poker media of choice when the owners of the online poker operation were in full damage control mode.

After a brief suspension, 911 started promoting Absolute again and was criticised for not at least awaiting the publication of the GA report.
 
Good grief... have they not released anything regarding their findings yet?? AP wouldn't shut up after they decided the cat was out of the bag, and once they decided they needed a serious audit, they won't start talking. :rolleyes:
 
It makes me think they found massive amounts of cheating never uncovered and don't want it out.
I was thinking the same thing.

Absolute Poker are outright criminals, they should have all their goodies taken away and ALL OF THEM thrown in Jail. But the Canadian authorities are about as effective in this matter as tits on boar hog.

Outfits like 911 and CAP that still promote these criminals at Absolute Poker are just as dirty and criminal as Absolute Poker is in my opinion.

This is the kind of thing that will stop Poker from becoming fully and completly legal and above board in the USA.

The law makers are already looking at this and saying... "What a bunch of criminals, we need to outlaw online poker..."

And not just that, but this whole thing is just leaving a bad taste in my mouth for online poker.... and I LOVE playing poker.

Absolute Poker... The True Criminals of Online Poker.
 
This doesn't look good - surely the Gaming Associates report is to hand by now, and imo both the KGC and AP have an obligation to the playing public and the industry to release the results of the investigation and what steps have been taken and are yet to be taken to address the issues raised.

Are the perpetrators of this massive fraud to be allowed to go unpunished is another valid question that needs to be answered here.

So far I have seen nothing further on the AP-favoured poker information sites that were so extensively used when AP was trying to control the damage wrought by these damning incidents.
 
Update: Absolute Poker active and ongoing investigation

The Kahnawake Gaming Commission has received a report from Gaming Associates which it is now in the process of reviewing. The Commission hopes to complete its review and render a decision in this matter within the next two weeks.

Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake
12 December, 2007
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All online Poker sites are suspicious

I think Absolute are starting to awaken to how serious this crisis really is - the following is a new general press statement issued by the company:

QUOTE:

Absolute Poker Management wishes to inform the poker community of the following information in response to the most recent claims posted over the past 48 hours on the 2+2 and Pocket Fives forums wherein again it is alleged that some person or persons breached Absolute Pokers redundant and varying levels of game client security. As was stated in Absolute Pokers Official Response released on Friday October 12, 2007, Absolute Poker conducted an extensive investigation in response to the claims it was made aware of and received. The results of that investigation indicated that to the best of Absolute Pokers knowledge, information and belief there was no security breach. Specifically, Absolute Pokers internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards.

Based on the most recent claims that Absolute Poker has been made aware of and at the request of some of our players and business partners, Absolute Poker has agreed to retain a widely acclaimed independent third party auditor, Gaming Associates, to conduct an independent audit of Absolute Pokers security systems. Specifically, Absolute Poker has requested that Gaming Associates conduct a thorough and extensive review of Absolute Pokers practices and security systems to determine whether it is possible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards thereby gaining an unfair advantage. (
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Absolute Poker has agreed to fully cooperate with Gaming Associates and its investigative team and to provide the above with unfettered access to all systems, protocols and databases at Absolute Poker worldwide. Absolute Poker has also agreed to allow Gaming Associates final report to be made available to Pocket Fives and Bluff Media for their review.

With respect to the claims that Scott Tom, a former Member of Team Absolute Poker, is in anyway involved in wrong-doing, Absolute Poker has requested a formal investigation into that matter as well. Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year and to the best of our knowledge, information and belief has not had access to any of Absolute Pokers systems, databases or information.

Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates.

Absolute Poker shall bear all expenses related to such investigation and is eager to learn about Gaming Associates findings. Absolute Poker highly values and intends to protect its players, shareholders, business partners, and affiliates.

Absolute Poker Management UNQUOTE

Having played live poker since 1974, I was curious about online poker.

However, after my very first hand, I knew something was not right about the so called randomness. As I played more and more - particularly tournaments (freerolls and cash), I was astonished to see the incredible suckouts and badbeats. Of course, these happen occasionally in live poker, but to the extent they do online is not only incredibly unbelievable but statistically impossible.
When I see three players all having pockets and then all getting trips on the flop, I can only shake my head. When I see someone with big pockets(having flopped trips) going allin against someone who has less chips - and no flush draw, and then to see runner runner flush is amazing not withstanding almost impossible, is just laughable.

When I see how big chippers seem to get the cards time and time again, you have to wonder what is the real motive. When I see big chippers with absolutely nothing being able to buy their cards due to their betting patterns, you have to ask the question.

When I see AA getting beat time after time, I shake my head in disbelief.

When I often can predict the outcome of an allin situation, after the flop, I start to really worry.

This is my theory:

Online poker is about money. How then, do they extract the maximum amount of rakes per hour? Simple, manipulate the software to ensure that action is applied to every game. This means that games (including tournaments) are completed as quickly as possible. More games per hour , more rakes etc.
 
The AP mess has nothing to do with so called "action" cards. No room has ever been caught doing what you suggest. The reason you see what you think are rigged cards is because you're playing 3x the hands an hour then live. Also if you're playing freerolls you are not playing many people that are good or care so you're going to see even more bad beats.
 
So.... I guess because it's the holidays AP and the auditors just lay all this pesky business aside till they get good and ready to release the results? Do we need auditors to audit the auditors? :p
 
Gambling911 is low and mean.
Give it money, it'll promote any rogue.

Correct, the entire Sportsbook.com family are rogues but G911 happily promotes them knowing damn well that group has stolen well into the 6 figures from players in their short time in the industry. That's just the amount reported to SBR by scammed players, there are certainly more.
 
... No room has ever been caught doing what you suggest. ...

There is no credible evidence that major online poker sites are rigged, or have any security holes. Although this thesis is true, there is also no plausible proof of the contrary view. Has anyone of the more experienced posters in this forum ever seen an independent expert certificate about the used Poker-RNGs of a poker side which clearly states that the random figures of a poker side are in order? If yes, please post a link, I want to read it.
 
There is no credible evidence that major online poker sites are rigged, or have any security holes. Although this thesis is true, there is also no plausible proof of the contrary view. Has anyone of the more experienced posters in this forum ever seen an independent expert certificate about the used Poker-RNGs of a poker side which clearly states that the random figures of a poker side are in order? If yes, please post a link, I want to read it.

When the sites make their money off a set rake, regardless i dont see any point in rigging hands. Sure their is an argument for loading big hands against each other for action but the rake usually maxes out anyway so a mega hand makes no difference.

I think the AP issue showed overwhelming proof that there was a security flaw. So much so they had to come out and publicly admit it
 
Malleboy, they dont manipulate it in order to generate more action, but in order that nobody wins. The rake is not enough for them. They want it all.
 
SECURITY FLAW???

There was no security flaw at Absolute Poker, it was a scam, a ripoff, a swindle.

When the company (in this case Absolute Poker) sets up super user player accounts that can see the hole cards of their opponents and only gives access to these super user accounts to executives of Absolute Poker.... Don't forget that the superuser was playing and winning(stealing) money from innocent POKER PLAYERS

That is NOT a SECURITY FLAW.... It is THEFT.

Pure and simple theft.

However, because Absolute Poker is owned by a Mohawk Indian and former 'hero' of Canada... they are allowed to steal money from poker players without getting into any legal trouble at all.

If you play at Absolute Poker or Ultimate Bet you are a fool, because you have been told they are thieves and presented with the evidence that proves their thievery.
 
If you play at Absolute Poker or Ultimate Bet you are a fool, because you have been told they are thieves and presented with the evidence that proves their thievery.

This pretty much sums it up. I have no sympathy for people who play there and get screwed. Examples since this are the disconnections where people lost tourney buyins or the bonus changing in the middle of players clearing it.

This group proves they have no concern for running a legit business.
 
The most important lesson I have learned from this Absolute Poker case is inter alia the following perception:

a) the KGC is considered as a joke. (I did not know this before)
b) obviously no Kahnawake poker side is controlled by the Kahawake gaming commission properly

This means imho, they can do what they want, as long as no outsider is able to proof wrongdoing. Isn't this assessment part of the true story? Please correct me, if I misunderstood something. And please understand why I use this assessment for further logical conclusions. Why should I as a poker player put my money in jeopardy if nobody can confirm me black on white that the online poker side I want to play uses properly generated and audited random figures?
 

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