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Absolute Poker is absolutely rigged. (New evidence, near certain proof its rigged).

Discussion in 'Online Poker Discussions' started by BBKPoker, Oct 17, 2007.

    Jan 13, 2008
  1. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    12th man
    Location:
    Australia
    Thanks very much for your reporting on this Jetset, you have been great.
     
  2. Jan 14, 2008
  3. KellyBlend

    KellyBlend Dormant account

    Occupation:
    free entrepreneur
    Location:
    Germany
    It is time to let some other people speak, too. Here is a discussion on Pokerrati, were Chuck Barnett, member of the Board of Supervisors of MIT says something - not very much, but nevertheless he tried it.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  4. Jan 14, 2008
  5. KellyBlend

    KellyBlend Dormant account

    Occupation:
    free entrepreneur
    Location:
    Germany
    Absorbing phrasing on Pokerrati:

     
  6. Jan 14, 2008
  7. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

    Occupation:
    I do nothing productive
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    Hell on Earth
    Now that is funny.

    Who cares about that has been Seif?

    There are a lot of important unanswered questions in this Absolute Poker cheating scandal.
     
  8. Jan 14, 2008
  9. jetset

    jetset RIP Brian CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
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    Earth
    I've read through that Pokerati link and frankly I don't see anything fresh and new other than the Mohawk Technologies guy pushing the KGC line we have all followed here.

    Nobody answers the valid questions surrounding people allegedly involved like AJ Green and Scott Tom, or how the scam was carried through, and the legitimate questions that have been asked here at Casinomeister and elsewhere remain unanswered.

    It just leaves one feeling frustrated that the full story is clearly not going to be divulged by either AP, KGC, GA or....eventually if these current allegations amount to anything, UB.
     
  10. Jan 14, 2008
  11. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

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    Marketing Consultant
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    Europe
    What I would like to have seen is logs of each and every grandfathered account over that period & all of the accounts considered involved.

    Full details passed over to a real authority with legal powers. Im sure there is more than enough to make a case.

    I would like to know where the serurity team were playing at the time, if it was their day off or they were just browsing porn.

    I would like a follow up on why it took a delay on blocking the accounts after it became public knowledge.

    I would like a reason why AP initially denied any wrongdoing only to reverse the decision when they were left with little choice.

    I would like to know why a multi million dollar fraud has been met with a mere $500k fine and no further action taken.

    I would like to know why AP/UB are still live and allowed to process financial transactions.

    I would like to know why credit card companies have not withdrawn their support to the site.

    I have a few other questions but that's a start.
     
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  12. Jan 14, 2008
  13. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming

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    This is part of a post I just did in another thread.

     
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  14. Jan 14, 2008
  15. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

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    Marketing Consultant
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    Europe
    Here's a funny statement

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  16. Jan 14, 2008
  17. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

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    Marketing Consultant
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    Europe
    Question to Pokeraddict.

    Now as you were at AP during their early days, do you not think it is conceivable that the cheating has been going on from day one? Im sure an experienced player would have been less obvious. Now it could either have been a sign of them getting smug & feeling untouchable about the scamming, total greed or it could be that they passed the account over to a play money level player. KGC, has shown that AP can do what they want. They look as corrupt as AP in this matter.

    Maybe AP didnt see the point in investing the time in taking $1000 dollars an hour. Maybe they started using more accounts and started getting sloppy. Its fine to iscolate the high stakes, but theres no reason why this hasnt been tested right through the chain.
     
  18. Jan 14, 2008
  19. KellyBlend

    KellyBlend Dormant account

    Occupation:
    free entrepreneur
    Location:
    Germany
    I think we could draw further conclusions like in a buzzle if we exactly knew with which trick or software the cheaters have worked. If they used old client software then I think we could recombine some facts. This is a task for inspector Columbo and no task for an auditor.
     
  20. Jan 14, 2008
  21. pokeraddict

    pokeraddict Webmaster

    Occupation:
    Pro Poker Player
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    I have two of the accounts exposed in my PT from the early days. One was a huge winner in 10/20 and 15/30, the other was a small loser. What always struck me as odd in those early days was I could beat 5/10 for 2-3 bb/100 in some tough games. The 10/20 games appeared to have much more action but I would get raped in them. We're talking 15-20bb/100 losing sesions one after another after another. My prop managers thought I was crazy. Many other props had the same experiences on a bigger extreme. The trouble is that we don't have the massive smoking guns like an email of the master hh's etc. As a matter of fact as we found out AP destroyed the hh's from all games more then 2 months out. This always made me wonder.

    I guess the answer is many of the old props have varying degrees of suspicions but none of us can really prove it.
     
  22. Jan 15, 2008
  23. KellyBlend

    KellyBlend Dormant account

    Occupation:
    free entrepreneur
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    Germany
    All these speculations stay sticky. A reliable company would publish more ore less all important facts and in case of cheating like in this case, such a company would also contact the district attorney. Guess why they do nothing or not more?
     
  24. Apr 1, 2008
  25. jetset

    jetset RIP Brian CAG

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    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
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    Earth
    60 Minutes program on Absolute Poker debacle?

    ANOTHER 60 MINUTES SHOW ON INTERNET GAMBLING IN PROSPECT

    Popular investigative television program asking questions regarding the Absolute Poker scandal

    Top online poker bloggers, posters and writers are predicting that the popular US television investigative program "60 Minutes" could be about to launch an expose on the Absolute Poker cheating scandal (see previous InfoPowa reports). The program, which has a viewership in the millions, has previously covered online gambling in 2001, 2005 and 2006...and not always in the most positive terms.

    Top blogger and 2+2 contributor Nat Arem, who made a major contribution in investigating and exposing the Absolute Poker.com affair which resulted in the company paying a $500 000 fine to the Kahnawake Ga,ming Commission that regulates the company, wrote on his blog Nat Arem.com that he has known about the new story for some weeks but had respected the confidentiality requested by the 60 Minutes producer. However, as several other poker information websites had picked up on approaches to industry personalities made by the producers, he would reveal what he knew.

    "A few weeks ago, I was contacted by 60 Minutes in conjunction with a reporter from the Washington Post regarding a story about the Absolute Poker scandal from last fall," Arem wrote. "I was told that they wanted Adanthar (another 2+2 investigator) and myself for on-camera interviews with Steve Kroft. I later found out they were also interested in interviewing Michael Josem and Marco Johnson.

    "Basically, I spent a little while on the phone with the producer and the Washington Post reporter and recapped the whole story as well as I could from memory. I talked about my involvement and contribution, along with all the other people who were involved.

    "After that conversation, I found out that 60 Minutes plans on going to a number of different locations. Ive heard that Canada, Costa Rica and Las Vegas are all possible travel locations. I may or may not be meeting up with 60 Minutes in Costa Rica, if and when they come down. Theres also the possibility that I will end up on-camera in Atlanta.

    "In terms of agenda, Ive been told that the goal is to tell the story from soup to nuts. I dont really know if that means a negative agenda for online poker, but I get the feeling that it might.

    "That means that this story is unlikely to be a good thing for online poker on the whole. I wish that programs like 60 Minutes would always tell the whole story (ie, get PokerStars involved, explain why some sites are secure and clean, etc), but I cant really be sure that will happen.

    "If I do end up on-camera, I will be sure to explain that this scandal was online pokers Enron ie, the biggest and worst scandal in the history of the industry. It is not a commonplace occurrence and people should not take it as such.

    In terms of the certainty that this will get on the air Im not sure. Ive been told that its definitely happening. But, considering that it has not been shot yet, anything is possible. And if it does end up on the air, I have no idea when that will be or what the 60 Minutes airing schedule looks like."

    Several other poker writers have been approached by 60 Minutes, Tom Somach reported, observing that with another online poker cheating scandal breaking this time the allegations against Absolute sister poker website Ultimate Bet its a sure bet the 60 Minutes piece wont just address the Absolute Poker situation. Infopowa has covered the Ultimate Bet story, which appears to have gone very quiet in recent weeks.

    The story about the Absolute Poker debacle, initially denied and then confirmed as an "insider issue" involving a "consultant" alleged by other sources to be one Alan John Grimaud, a Canadian citizen who disappeared from public view in the wake of the issue, is likely to make fascinating television.

    It has all the elements for a penetrating expose; big money, high technology, Internet gambling, mysterious figures in the background, unresolved questions and some expert detective work by the poker-playing community.
     
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