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Absolute Poker Blackjack

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Non-Bonus Issues' started by SeattleSinner, Dec 3, 2007.

    Dec 3, 2007
  1. SeattleSinner

    SeattleSinner Full Member PABnononaccred2

    Occupation:
    Professional Gambler
    Location:
    USA
    I have been playing BJ at AP for some time and have noticed that I haven't had one winning session. However when I play for fake I win thousands. Now in spite of the scandal with the poker I wouldn't put it past these crooks that there BJ game is rigged as well. Has anyone audited, or noticed the weird patterns I have experienced.
     
  2. Dec 3, 2007
  3. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    I don't mean to sound like I'm splitting hairs here but the AP issue wasn't "rigged" software but software that had a back door built into it. I'm not making any comment on your BJ observations, just that the poker issues aren't really the same thing.

    When people say "rigged" in terms of casino games they usually be where the odds have been stacked against them, whereas the AP poker issue is an entirely different matter.
     
  4. Dec 4, 2007
  5. SeattleSinner

    SeattleSinner Full Member PABnononaccred2

    Occupation:
    Professional Gambler
    Location:
    USA
    I think you were missing my point. I know they are not related, however a breach in security in one place makes me question their honesty and security of the site as a whole.
     
  6. Dec 4, 2007
  7. pokeraddict

    pokeraddict Webmaster

    Occupation:
    Pro Poker Player
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    I have 5 accounts at AP and they all get a free $10-$15 every 6 weeks or so. I usually just go play BJ with it. Out of the endless times I've done this only once have I ever not busted within 20 hands or so at $1/hand. There is no way I would play that game with my own money.
     
  8. Dec 4, 2007
  9. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

    Occupation:
    I currently work for the Wizard of Odds
    Location:
    North of Antarctica
    And you guys aren't the only ones who have questioned the fairness of their blackjack. Bernynhel has also stated that their blackjack is highly suspicious.

    Generally speaking, I don't think it's good to play games at places that aren't meant for them, i.e., blackjack at a poker room, video poker at a bingo site, etc.

    Blackjack, with its notoriously low house edge, is always an easy target for cheaters... so it wouldn't surprise me if Absolute Poker has a hidden higher house edge than most other blackjacks.

    There are two reasons why a company will offer blackjack:
    1) It's a fun game enjoyed by millions of gamblers, and an honest game of blackjack will keep the player coming back

    and

    2) It's a fun game enjoyed by millions of gamblers, but not very profitable so in order for the house to make any money off it, it needs to be rigged

    I think casinos offer blackjack because of reason #1, and poker/bingo/other sites offer blackjack because of reason #2
     
  10. Dec 4, 2007
  11. peteyweestro

    peteyweestro Senior Member

    Occupation:
    medical biller
    Location:
    So Cal...Antelope Valley
    knowing ap track record why would you dare to risk your own money in their other web site its the same company, if they will cheat at poker they will cheat at bj
     
  12. Dec 4, 2007
  13. djackson

    djackson Banned User - multiple forum accounts - violation

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    usa
    RUN don't WALK:lolup:
     
  14. Dec 4, 2007
  15. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    No, I understood your point. I just pointed out that there was a difference. And you'll note that I didn't disagree with your conclusion. ;)
     
  16. Dec 4, 2007
  17. Eliot Jacobson

    Eliot Jacobson Dormant account

    Occupation:
    President, Jacobson Gaming, LLC
    Location:
    Santa Barbara
    AP Blackjack Audit

    SS,

    I would be glad to look at a sample of hands and give you my opinion -- I would need a fairly large sample (not millions of hands; but a few thousand would be helpful).

    --Eliot
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2007
  18. Dec 4, 2007
  19. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    I do nothing productive
    Location:
    Hell on Earth
    I'd like to see that.
    However, I don't have any hand histories and I'm willing to bet that AP wouldn't give me one, even if I asked nice.:rolleyes:

    Anyone got any AP blackjack hand histories they would like to share?
     
  20. Dec 4, 2007
  21. uungy

    uungy Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

    I don't have my hands anymore, I played way back, and loads and loads of players only seemed to have lost there. I think I lost alot there, which doesnt show anything, but when loads of players say the same, it does sound strange.
     
  22. Dec 4, 2007
  23. SeattleSinner

    SeattleSinner Full Member PABnononaccred2

    Occupation:
    Professional Gambler
    Location:
    USA
    I requested my BJ hand histories from AP as should everyone else so we can get them to Mr. Jacobson.
     
  24. Dec 7, 2007
  25. Eliot Jacobson

    Eliot Jacobson Dormant account

    Occupation:
    President, Jacobson Gaming, LLC
    Location:
    Santa Barbara
    Small AP blackjack audit

    Greetings,

    I received a log file from an anonymous member of this site consisting of 1659 hands played from Absolute Poker's blackjack game. The player indicated that he was "in the black" for these 1659 hands, but wanted to provide them anyway for my analysis.

    This is not many hands, certainly not enought to conduct a full suite of tests. However, six separate tests were performed on this data. For every test performed, this game was fair, and the results obtained were within statistical norms for the number of hands examined.

    I also wrote to AP and requested that AP contact me directly to conduct a full blackjack audit (for free), but have not heard back from them about this matter.

    --Eliot
     
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  26. Dec 8, 2007
  27. SeattleSinner

    SeattleSinner Full Member PABnononaccred2

    Occupation:
    Professional Gambler
    Location:
    USA
    I'm trying to get my hand history however AP is giving me problems with this. Mr. Jacobson thank you for putting in the time and effort to assist the online gambling community.
     
  28. Dec 8, 2007
  29. And

    And banned user: PAB involving player fraud PABnonaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Marketing consultant
    Location:
    Europe
    The logs are stored in this folder:

    folder you installed Absolute Poker\HandHistory\NICKNAME
     
  30. Dec 8, 2007
  31. tristan727

    tristan727 Banned user - violation of <a href="http://www.ca

    Occupation:
    credit manager
    Location:
    London
    I lost something like $1,000-$1,200 here, was so shocking an experience I never deposited again - even though was still eligible for some of the sign-up bonus. They've even cold-called my mobile enticing me to redeposit, let alone by email. What kind of business plan exactly is that anyways - calling overseas mobiles regarding a blackjack promotion, if really pays 99.5%?
     
  32. Dec 8, 2007
  33. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    miami fl


    It does pays 99.5%.................into theyr pockets thou ;):rolleyes::D:oops:
     
  34. Dec 9, 2007
  35. SeattleSinner

    SeattleSinner Full Member PABnononaccred2

    Occupation:
    Professional Gambler
    Location:
    USA
    I have played from different computers, and the one I played regularly on doesn't work anymore. As a result I cannot retrieve all of them, and AP is not responding to requests for the history. Pretty typical of them if you ask me...
     
  36. Sep 14, 2008
  37. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    *bump*

    Whatever came of this?

    Did you ever get your game logs?
     
  38. Sep 23, 2008
  39. anarxis

    anarxis Dormant account

    I played their BJ too and found it very strange.
    To be honest, i played there not much perhaps few hundred hands but i played thousands of hands in other online casinos.
    I never felt cheated only at AP.

    But sorry, no HH anymore.
     

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