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leonardo99

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Hello
I know about Betcruise. BetVoyager that are reputable, have NO House Edge on their casino, only a comission when withdraw.
I'm thinking to play there..100% payout rate sound good for me. But I want to ask..somebody play there?
I don't find this casino to be very popular on affiliate websites..More than that no screenshots on Winning Screenshots Area...Somebody cashout there? How are the slots? Support, cashout time.

Thanks in advance!
 

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Games: 100% fair and trustworthy. Slots pretty good, my favorites are Rush4Cash, Refrigerator. All low variance :)
Aff program is pretty crappy: no rev share, just 25 euro for 1st deposit and 20 euro for the second, so not many affs are promoting them.
I won about 17.000 euro here (in total). Cashouts were made instantly, no docs asked. Now they process w/ds withing 24 hours. Support is responsive, they have internal mail system.
 

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I promoted them for 6 months on a "Fixed Fee" deal, but they didn't give me any feedback about player sign-ups and because they don't have a proper affy system I didn't carry on with them.

The casino itself is for sure 100% reputable & fair IMHO, but with their extremely limited game selection (only about 6 slots, I think), and the 10% fee on winnings I can't see it ever having mass appeal like the "big boys".

KK
 

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I promoted them for 6 months on a "Fixed Fee" deal, but they didn't give me any feedback about player sign-ups and because they don't have a proper affy system I didn't carry on with them.

The casino itself is for sure 100% reputable & fair IMHO, but with their extremely limited game selection (only about 6 slots, I think), and the 10% fee on winnings I can't see it ever having mass appeal like the "big boys".

KK

HI KasinoKing,

The 10% fee is only for the ZERO house edge games. All games with house edge carry on as normal. It's just too bad they don't advertise themselves more since they are the industry first in using SHA-256 algorithm for the purpose of authenticating outcomes before the fact to protect us, the consumer from manipulating/rigged software which I do firmly believe exist to an extent.

IMH(umble)O it really should be the standard, not the exception - and maybe we should demand more of the rest of the industry from this point on...
 

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It's just too bad they don't advertise themselves more since they are the industry first in using SHA-256 algorithm for the purpose of authenticating outcomes before the fact to protect us, the consumer from manipulating/rigged software which I do firmly believe exist to an extent.

IMH(umble)O it really should be the standard, not the exception - and maybe we should demand more of the rest of the industry from this point on...
I'm sure the SHA-256 algorithm is totally excellent for those who understand exactly how it works and how it guarantees a fair game. I for one don't mind admitting that I haven't the first clue how it does this, and I'm sure many other regular gamblers are in the same boat.

KK
 

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They also have a very good FAQ section where you can find detailed explanation of every aspect of their "Randomness Control" system. Just spend 10-15 minutes on reading it - and you will be in the same boat with those who know how it works :p
 

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i actually just read it and STILL have no idea how it works :confused: , but i´m glad they have something like that :thumbsup:

but i´m really bad when it comes to math :D

@spiderman: you mentioned 10% fee on cashouts from no house edge games, do you have an idea, how much of a house edge is "hidden" in that fee?

since nobody gives away money for free, there have to be some strings attached to that offer, right?

since the fee is only on winnings, i guess it depends on how often and how high you play? :confused:
 

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i actually just read it and STILL have no idea how it works :confused: , but i´m glad they have something like that :thumbsup:

but i´m really bad when it comes to math :D

@spiderman: you mentioned 10% fee on cashouts from no house edge games, do you have an idea, how much of a house edge is "hidden" in that fee?

since nobody gives away money for free, there have to be some strings attached to that offer, right?

since the fee is only on winnings, i guess it depends on how often and how high you play? :confused:

No, it only depends on how much you won.

i.e. deposit 100, win 900 more, withdraw 1000 - and you will receive 910 (10% fee of your winnings will be taken).
 

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damn, that was a fast answer :O

maybe i phrased my question poorly :(

what i mean is: is there any point at which the normal house edge costs me more money than those 10%?

or maybe i just think in the wrong direction :D
 

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damn, that was a fast answer :O

maybe i phrased my question poorly :(

what i mean is: is there any point at which the normal house edge costs me more money than those 10%?

or maybe i just think in the wrong direction :D

I remember getting into a discussion about this on a previous BetVoyager thread, and the short answer is no. The overall house edge on the "no edge" games increases as you wager more, but you would have to be gambling for a loooong time to surpass the normal edge games.

I, for one, sincerely wish they offered a good affiliate program. It's a pity they don't get more recognition, imo.
 

SlotMonster

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Yeah, I wish they had a rev. share :D
I won 500 euro from 60 deposit last month. On Roulette :p
My withdrawal was processed within 1 hour (on Webmoney)! Withdrawals on ECOcard were instant!
 

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My first withdrawal to Neteller was super fast...and it was in the middle of a night :D Thumbs up for this place.
 

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damn, that was a fast answer :O

maybe i phrased my question poorly :(

what i mean is: is there any point at which the normal house edge costs me more money than those 10%?

or maybe i just think in the wrong direction :D

Normal house edge very easily costs much more than the 10% commission on winnings. It depends on how long you typically play before cashing out. Normal house edge can sneakily add up to very high amounts, that's why it is so difficult to win in the long run against house edge.

However, with the Betvoyager system, it would be to your advantage to play for a very long time and/or to shoot for a high withdrawal target before cashing out. This way you get more action "for free" on zero HE games. If you deposit and withdraw often after every session then the 10% is bad for you as it is calculated from your last deposit.

I remember getting into a discussion about this on a previous BetVoyager thread, and the short answer is no. The overall house edge on the "no edge" games increases as you wager more, but you would have to be gambling for a loooong time to surpass the normal edge games.

We discussed this before and you didn't seem to get it completely right. It is the opposite to what you said: the longer you play zero house edge games, the smaller is the effect of 10% commission relative to your wagers. So the longer you play, the lower the effective house will be, and most likely lower than in a normal casino.
 

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i actually just read it and STILL have no idea how it works :confused: , but i´m glad they have something like that :thumbsup:

but i´m really bad when it comes to math :D

@spiderman: you mentioned 10% fee on cashouts from no house edge games, do you have an idea, how much of a house edge is "hidden" in that fee?

since nobody gives away money for free, there have to be some strings attached to that offer, right?

since the fee is only on winnings, i guess it depends on how often and how high you play? :confused:

I'll try to explain how the Randomness Control works...tell me if you understand or not

Before each game, whether you’re playing roulette, poker, slots or any game , the player receives the checksum of the sequence he is going to play, before the game begins. What is the checksum sequence? It is a code on the very top of the game you’ve opened and are playing. This 64 symbol code is information about the deck, but is hidden in disguise in the form of SHA-256 algorithm. This code represents and is equal to, whatever the casino pre-planned the numbers or cards (depending on what game you’re playing) to be. For example, if you land on a 10 in roulette, but have made your bet on 3, you can click on “end” on the right top hand corner of the game, and there will be a box below indicating that the first bet should have been indeed 10. How can we know for sure this is not a scam? You can then copy the pre planned sequence and server code in the box provided, and click “calculate checksum” and you will then see that the exact same code will pop up as in the very beginning of the game. This is a one-way function, so it is mathematically impossible to return to the same game, and use this sequence to then cheat your way through. Also, if you change a single number or letter in the sequence, it then completely changes the code.
 

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I'll try to explain how the Randomness Control works...tell me if you understand or not
Not (still).
How do you know that when you click "end" that BetVoyager don't manipulate those "pre-determined results" you haven't seen yet so that the checksum matches?
Also, can you take the results to a totally independent website and check the figures match?

Don't be me wrong, I sure BetVoyager are totally honest and their games are truly random, but I just don't understand how this checksum thing guarantees that.
I also trust all the other major softwares to be random too - without the checksum. So for me it becomes rather redundant.

KK
 

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Because you can't generate two identical checksums with different sequences. If casino changes the sequence in their favor (f.e. changes the number in Roulette) - it will change the checksum.

1. Player generates the sequence (Sequence1) and checksum is provided to him (Checksum1).
2. He then plays and when he clicks on "End" button - he receives the sequence (Sequence2) and its checksum (Checksum2).

If Checksum1 = Checksum2, then Sequence1 = Sequence2, which means that player has played with "correct" numbers.

Also, can you take the results to a totally independent website and check the figures match?
Yes, you can. See here:

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@wisenheimer: your explanation is def. easier to understand than the one on their site, thanks mate :D

@jufo: that´s what i thought from the beginning, that it depends totally on how high, how much and what game you play :thumbsup:

@slotmonster: any idea, why they DON´T have rev. share or ANY kind of "good" affi.system? i mean, most sites spend quite some money for things like that, does betvoyager think they can do without? :confused:
 

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I think that the best way to find this out is to ask them :)
 

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@wisenheimer: your explanation is def. easier to understand than the one on their site, thanks mate :D

@jufo: that´s what i thought from the beginning, that it depends totally on how high, how much and what game you play :thumbsup:

@slotmonster: any idea, why they DON´T have rev. share or ANY kind of "good" affi.system? i mean, most sites spend quite some money for things like that, does betvoyager think they can do without? :confused:

no problem...it took me a while to understand too
 
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