A Trend Being Set by Casinos Serving USA Players?

silcnlayc

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Hi everyone! I am once again putting on my tin foil hat. I have been called many things and I truly do not mind since it pertains to things happening over a long period of time and I KNOW what I see, experience and feel as I go on this maddening journey of online gambling and the changes being forced upon those in the good ole USA.

I have looked at the screenshots as of late and it seems there is one country sorely missing in those, except for a blink here and there. Why is that? USA was the most prolific screenshooters in the days gone by, but no more. (but that isn't why I am here)

Now, I have been playing online for quite a while and last night my husband comes storming out of the computer room and says to me...WTH have they done to the games?? I said, oh! you just realized something was not the same?? He said no, he thought it was HIM all this time ...never thinking that the games structure of play has changed (no, no no, I cannot PROVE this, but the slots are proving it for me) He has been a longtime online gambler also (since 1996).

The bonus round that finally put him into tin foil hat territory was when he spent over a thousand dollars in 2 days and getting a return on bonus rounds of $7-$15-$20 REPEATEDLY on $2-$2.50 bet. Now, if you ask me..(not that anyone would) but I seem to see this trend continuing downhill from 2 years ago when I posted "Things are changing" thread...thats when I earned my hat...because I could not PROVE it...but I could share my EXPERIENCE of it...and was accused of being paranoid.

So, those of you in the USA that are thinking the same thing of WTH is going on....I will stake my hard earned money that things are only going to get worse for us, and the casinos are taking full advantage of us not having many place to play at...remember, you have now been warned AGAIN.....PLAY with caution at ANY US facing casino because they are NOT there to be your friend, they are there to get the last dregs of our money any way they can squeeze it out of us. It is happening now...

These casinos still serving the USA players are only doing themselves harm in the long run, (again, just my opinion) because we are a bunch of diehards when it comes to fun and spending our money...we WILL walk and do the next best thing for ourselves and that is to stop playing online and go to all these nice little landbased casinos so close to us and spend it there to get the thrill that once was online..I have had a great time lately...see my landbased screenies here that I took while being paid out (not the full payout): These are just a few from my last 2 visits to landbased casinos and I have had a ball! 0421121218a.jpg 0211121606.jpg 0211121607.jpg 0211121624.jpg 0211121750.jpg

So good luck to all....take a trip, get re-centered..and just enjoy yourselves...online and off until things get back on track for us in the USA.

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Tirilej

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I'm not in the US so I won't start to argue against what you are saying, but I do have a question I need to ask you.

We who don't live in the US but are playing at the very same casinos as you are, are we also supposed to be careful?
I havn't seen any change in my playing since I started four years ago. Do you think they give us from Europe a different casino in some strange way? Have they some other settings or how come we are not warned or saying everything has changed?

I feel for you because you have difficulties to play, but if I read threads in this forum that are ten years old it had started to change already, and for every year new posters (and old) are saying it's getting worser.
It feels as if I should believe every poster that have said that the RTP would be down to around 5% by now.
It just feels so strange to read the same thing every month every year. I don't know if you are right or wrong, but I do believe you are wrong and I will continue to play in US-facing casinos that I trust.
 

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I appreciate your perspective.

My experience has been different. I am seeing same success/failure as in the past -- except I will say that it has been impossible for me to hit a RJ compared to a few years back.

I feel the games themselves across many different sites/gaming platforms are the same - win some, lose some, but tougher to hit the RJ.

FWIW -
Diane
 

LaHutti

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I'm also not in the US, but as I understood it, they're taking the money from people outside the states, and GIVING it to US players.
If not, I would really like to know where the money is going. :rolleyes:

All jokes aside, no I don't believe anything has changed at all. The casinos that are now "US facing" have always been crappy to me, and I suspect it'll stay like that. Fewer screenshots from the states you say ? Maybe because a lot less people from the states play online nowadays ? Overall I think you'll find that the majority of screenshots are from MG casinos, due to the fact that people outside the states can play those. There was a time when us players was the majority of players, but not so any more, is my guess.
 

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Fewer screenshots from the states you say ? Maybe because a lot less people from the states play online nowadays ? Overall I think you'll find that the majority of screenshots are from MG casinos, due to the fact that people outside the states can play those. There was a time when us players was the majority of players, but not so any more, is my guess.
I'm pretty sure that is the reason.
It's become such a pain in the rear for USA players to get their money into & out of casinos, that many just gave up trying. :(
The lack of software choices is another factor IMO.

KK
 

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Geez silc.

Come on. We've heard it all before. I've read threads like this since the day I joined CM, and they're all started and supported by people who fail to understand, or accept, the realities of gambling.

One of the aspects that is almost always raised by such people is the feature game/free spins on slots. Like silc, they complain that they aren't hitting more than 5x or 10x bet in these features. Silc says after hubby spent $1k over 2 days which means zero, because it says nothing about how many spins, which slot/s, etc. I am almost certain that there were other features that paid more than that, perhaps a lot more....but these would spoil her theory. People who say this forget about the 100/200/500x bet wins they get from time to time on these features.....and how do they think these are paid for? Hitting a feature is not a guaranteed big win and never has been.

Silc.....let's see a full play history from those 2 days. Or, the same from the next few sessions. Don't use the privacy argument.....you're the one putting all these theories out there, and thus far you have provided absolutely nothing that even approaches evidence that RTPs for US players have been lowered.....and that is what you're saying, because players from other countries play also, and you're intimating that they are offered higher RTP versions of the same slots you play at the same time. Sorry, but that is absolute nonsense. Screenies of land based wins isn't evidence of anything, unless you're saying you win EVERY time you visit, in which case you'd be telling complete porkies.

If you documented your play at land based casinos (which you haven't and won't) and compared it to your online play (see above) you will most likely find your online RTP is comparable, if not better. You also need to remember how often you play online vs land based I.e. things may look better in the short term due to less play and some luck.

I really thought you had turned the corner somewhat silc and obtained a grip on gambling reality. I'm sad to see that you haven't.
 

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How many are on the same server when logging in

I was told once by a very informed tech guy. That when you log into a casino there all only so many that a certain server can handle, and that if you feel that your playtime is not good log out wait a bit and log back in.

This was a tech guy who worked at a land based casino, and before worked overseas in the casino industry.

I know another unproveable thing, but try it just might give you your second breathe.
 

silcnlayc

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I really thought you had turned the corner somewhat silc and obtained a grip on gambling reality. I'm sad to see that you haven't.

Geezes back at ya...now why would I want to come back to earth and reality?? I LIKE my hat and I refuse to give it up ! You can say what you say..play what you play, but the final thing is..you aren't in the USA...Have a great week!


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Geezes back at ya...now why would I want to come back to earth and reality?? I LIKE my hat and I refuse to give it up ! You can say what you say..play what you play, but the final thing is..you aren't in the USA...Have a great week!


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My country of residence is totally irrelevant. I don't need to be in the USA to know that you can't provide even a shred of evidence, such as play logs, RTPs, to support your wild accusations.....which is what they are, as you're intimating that US facing operators are deliberately serving you a different product than they serve to others simultaneously.....which is cheating.

Until such time as a moderator decides differently, I'll continue posting even if I'm not in the USA.

A bunch of accusations/feelings/theories with nothing to support them are rants. Hence, you are ranting.

As others here know, including you, I'll be there with bells on if you have something concrete. Until then, your ownership of that shiny hat is assured. Don't get me wrong silc....I have nothing against you personally.....I like some of your posts....I'm just surprised after all this time that you have failed to grasp/accept the basic facts about gambling, as I know you're not without intelligence.
 

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I was told once by a very informed tech guy. That when you log into a casino there all only so many that a certain server can handle, and that if you feel that your playtime is not good log out wait a bit and log back in.

This was a tech guy who worked at a land based casino, and before worked overseas in the casino industry.

I know another unproveable thing, but try it just might give you your second breathe.

I am not sure I follow, could you explain what you mean in a bit more detail. Are you saying the winning servers can only handle so many player?

I strolled down to my local club for the first time in months (maybe even a year) and put through a fair amount of change for 2 lousy bonus rounds at the same bets I do online and 40 minutes later I walked out thinking "that's why you don't go there anymore you fool". I seem to get more playtime online than I do land based, what I spent could have done me 3 - 4 hours online (remember I said playtime - not winning my millions).

Each to there own I guess, everyone's entitled to their opinions and observations.

Congrats on those land based wins Silc.
 

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I'm pretty sure that is the reason.
It's become such a pain in the rear for USA players to get their money into & out of casinos, that many just gave up trying. :(
The lack of software choices is another factor IMO.

KK

KK -

With a little research the US based players will find that there are still multiple platforms we can play on. Certainly not the selection you all have, but quite a few different software platforms so you don't get too bored with the same selection of games. I am I am still comfortable playing at and confident I will get paid at these:

RTG - too many to mention but I usually stick with CWG, JPC, Sloto, and Inetbet

Buzz Luck and Lucky Club - whatever the spin off of RTG is called, I always forget

Rival - Sloto, Desert Nights, and Vegas2web

Liberty Slots

3Dice

GensysGroup - Treasure Mile, Lucky Creek

Slotland

Top Game - Winward and Diamond VIP ( I still play at both.........but do respect the troubles others have had + withdrawal times are now 2+ weeks)


So that's 7 different styles of games we can pick from here in the US. Not so bad ----but I remain envious of all the choices you all have elsewhere.

FWIW,
Diane
 

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I am not sure I follow, could you explain what you mean in a bit more detail. Are you saying the winning servers can only handle so many player?

I strolled down to my local club for the first time in months (maybe even a year) and put through a fair amount of change for 2 lousy bonus rounds at the same bets I do online and 40 minutes later I walked out thinking "that's why you don't go there anymore you fool". I seem to get more playtime online than I do land based, what I spent could have done me 3 - 4 hours online (remember I said playtime - not winning my millions).

Each to there own I guess, everyone's entitled to their opinions and observations.

Congrats on those land based wins Silc.

I'm not surprised Matt. Local pokies are set at 86-88% depending on state. The best ones are the casinos which are 92%. Online is way better.

@lettingyouknow... Your "friend" that "worked as a tech guy" is playing with himself. Sorry. It's a gamblers fallacy that has been disproven many times. It's amazing how many of these people who make these amazing admissions come to forums and discuss them.....pretty much none in my experience, usually because the "friend" turns out to be the poster/writer themselves expressing their own theories without risk of being ridiculed.
 

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No nifty the real deal

Nifty, the guy was the real deal met him on the actual Casino floor as he was working the internal working of the slots. Of course they have come here but they are all shooed away as charlatans and leave when they do not get a warm welcome. So you have to read their posts fast, because tomorrow they will be gone.:rolleyes:
 

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Nifty, the guy was the real deal met him on the actual Casino floor as he was working the internal working of the slots. Of course they have come here but they are all shooed away as charlatans and leave when they do not get a warm welcome. So you have to read their posts fast, because tomorrow they will be gone.:rolleyes:

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the tech guys that fix the insides of the machines have nothing to do with the programming etc. He's guessing, and badly.

Of course, your "very informed" source (who you now admit was just some bloke fixing a machine) would know about how online slot machines work, as presumably he has to go around the net fixing those machines too :rolleyes:

He may be right, but not in the way you have interpreted it. If your PLAY is poor I.e. spinning slow or too long between spins, then logging in and out CAN help. It has no effect on winning or losing.

It's funny how people that say they believe these campfire stories to be irrefutable facts continue to play anyway......which tells you either they are incredibly unintelligent, or they don't really believe their own theories.
 

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I still think some of the US facing casinos are doing a fine job helping US players atleast have a chance at playing and others are out for a quick buck imo, if your a US player , stick with the ones you know and trust or other casinos US players trust on the forum, you can't go wrong that way , just my 2 cents.

Dang Silc , went on my honeymoon this weekend and went to a land based casino up in the mountains and blew a 100.00 in 45 friggin minutes on one penny machine now that sucked.:eek:

Congrats on the win:thumbsup:


Laurie
 
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Silc,

I do not dispute whatever you are saying - I wont try and change your mind.

I would just like to share MY experience playing Online. My luck on Slots or playtime even seems to vary wildly from Casino to Casino.

I have been doing the 1000+ spins per Slot I used to do at MG. What I have come to realise is that RTG in particular is EXTREMELY volatile. Irrelevant of what Slot you visit, there can be huge losses and extended periods without free spins. There can also be a barrage of free spins in under 100 spins.

I learned that medium or low variance slots are not the way to go (FOR ME). It all depends on personal play style. When I deposit at RTG I play Mystic Dragon almost instantly and for a few 1000 spins. I have not taken any screenshots because I am a bit lazy and Slow( Playing on Turbo) but i have had at least 3-4 1000x bet hits this past week.

A perfect example was dumping $800 at Luckyred and not seeing a return. The next day I got a free chip for $75 with a 10x max cashout - About 5 spins in on mystic Dragon, I hit $1100 for a 0.75c bet... Made playthrough and cashed out easily - all in under 5 minutes...

I would easily say that Slots are rigged IF I didn't understand their variance. I am persistent when it comes to a Slot and I lose 1000's BEFORE I stop playing at a place altogether. I am also my own worse enemy because I will go 2000 spins and lose a 2k balance without batting an eyelid...

It all boils down to luck - I do however confess that I suspect that certain RTG's have a lower RTP than others and that is from the results I have seen.

Good luck - Its never fun losing!

Nate
 

Diane

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3dice,and sloto.


(Sorry for the derail)

I really like 3Dice and any of the Club World Group casinos......

So far I am the only one who admits publicly to playing at Top Game and others have had horrible experiences. But I still like Winward and DVC.

Diane
 

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I'm so glad to finally read this thread in its entirety. I started to read it and thought, "yeah I've been noticing the same thing", but then I saw the screen shots of b&m slots and clicked out of the thread. I thought you were going to say something bad about them. I thought you were going to tell me they were getting really really tight too. I just made a vacation for Louisiana for the beginning of next month so I don't want to jinx myself.
I hope I have as much Luck as you do at the casinos I go to. :)
 

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i'm finally going on my trip tomorrow.
I will post pictures. Vacation time FINALLY!
 

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what really bad is netspend, can't even use it any more, i finally got a withdrawal from rushmore, took almost 2 months to get, i had them send the withdrawal to netspend...... BIG MISTAKE!!!!! they sent it to netspend with a description of "credit:return from LOYALTY PAYMENT PROMOPAYMENT" Netspend locked up my account and wont let me have the money, they tell me that in order for the credit, there needed to be a purchase also on the card. well i'm pretty sure that they suspect it being a gambling transaction of sorts, and they won't pay it out. they told me that they needed from the "retailer" a receipt of the purchase first before they unblock my account, or to either have the "retailer" reverse the transaction. Now................ i know that netspend is cracking down on gambling transacitons, but i rarely use the card, so i was shocked!!!!
In other words i won't be seeing the money, i tried contacting rushmore, but i haven't gotten a response!!!! in other words i am SOL!!!!

thanks US govt:thumbsup:
 

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well thats not good news .. but its been a long time since casinos have sent withdrawls to netspend. that option has not worked for a while. at least to my knowledge. if the casino was accredited then you might have a chance of making other payment options. rushmore will stall on paying players regardless of the withdrawl options. your option just gave them more stall time. all you can do is keep trying. good luck and i hope you finally get your winnings.
 

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what really bad is netspend, can't even use it any more, i finally got a withdrawal from rushmore, took almost 2 months to get, i had them send the withdrawal to netspend...... BIG MISTAKE!!!!! they sent it to netspend with a description of "credit:return from LOYALTY PAYMENT PROMOPAYMENT" Netspend locked up my account and wont let me have the money, they tell me that in order for the credit, there needed to be a purchase also on the card. well i'm pretty sure that they suspect it being a gambling transaction of sorts, and they won't pay it out. they told me that they needed from the "retailer" a receipt of the purchase first before they unblock my account, or to either have the "retailer" reverse the transaction. Now................ i know that netspend is cracking down on gambling transacitons, but i rarely use the card, so i was shocked!!!!
In other words i won't be seeing the money, i tried contacting rushmore, but i haven't gotten a response!!!! in other words i am SOL!!!!

thanks US govt:thumbsup:


Well that does suck I agree.

Was this withdrawal the result of a deposit? I.e. did you use a different method? Judging by what you say it was other than netspend but just wanted to clarify.
 
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