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A slot with expanding symbols and Scatters

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by SlotMonster, May 28, 2011.

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    May 28, 2011
  1. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster Twitch Streamer - Affiliate webmeister

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    We have a slot called "Luxor Valley", where players are given 10 free spins for 3 or more Scatters appeared anywhere on the reels, and random symbol will be selected as expanding symbol for the free spins (it takes 3 positions on the reels, like expanding Wild in Rival's "Scary Rich").

    During the bonus game if 3 or more Scatters appeared - 10 more free spins added. But during free spins can be a situation, when expanding symbol and Scatter are on the same reel, so the Scatter is covered and disappeared. So, if player got 3 more Scatters (+10 free spins), and one of Scatters and expanding symbols are on the same reel - player will not get 10 more free spins and only get 2xbet added to their wins, because Scatter will be covered by expanding symbol.

    Personally I don't think it's OK, but it's a weekend now, so I would like to hear your opinions before passing my thoughts to our management and dev. team :)

    I was thinking about adding 10 free spins and THEN expanding symbol covering the reel, but open for discussion :)

    Thanks!
     
  2. May 28, 2011
  3. Perc

    Perc Experienced Member webmeister

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    Yep, scatters should pay (including a feature re-trigger) before the wild expands and pays on winlines.

    I can't think of any specific slots off hand, but I know I've played slots that pay that way (scatters pay first) during free spins.
     
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  4. May 28, 2011
  5. ergopro

    ergopro Senior Member

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    I think scatters should pay first :)
     
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  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I agree with the above - scatters should pay (give more spins) first.
    Anything else is unfair.

    KK
     
  8. May 28, 2011
  9. Repro

    Repro Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnonaccred

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    Actually i think it's important to see if - and how - it would affect the (expected) RTP on that slot.

    Personally i always like retriggers. It adds an extra sensation to the game if you can hit a retrigger in a feature.

    Is it a low/medium/high variance slot?
     
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  10. May 28, 2011
  11. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster Twitch Streamer - Affiliate webmeister

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    Yes, you are right, Repro. We have to calculate how it will affect RTP, but I will do my best to change gameplay :)

    add: I would say it'a a Medium Variance slot.
     
  12. May 28, 2011
  13. H1_Roller

    H1_Roller Non-Gambler

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    Definitely add more free spins before expanding for any other wins. Anything else would disappoint players.
     
  14. May 28, 2011
  15. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    whew! for a split-second i thought the scatters could expand and i was wondering how they could.
     
  16. May 28, 2011
  17. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt

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    definitely dont disappoint players by loosing scatters to expanding wilds so i agree with the rest of poster's
     
  18. May 29, 2011
  19. ShayDrew

    ShayDrew Quit Gambling

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    Just how LOTR works - you get retrigger and THEN one of the reels with the ring can go wild.....
     
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  21. H1_Roller

    H1_Roller Non-Gambler

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    Yes. It's happened to me many times, and is great when it does. Would be gutted if the ring(s) was/were swallowed up by wilds, regardless of how much the actual win was.
     
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  23. ShayDrew

    ShayDrew Quit Gambling

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    I thought you might agree "Queen of the Rings" :)
     
  24. May 29, 2011
  25. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    I'd be more concerned that you had to actually point this stuff out to your design team in the first place, in addition to the several other questions you've been asking for advice about on the forums.

    All of the stuff you ask about should have been investigated and decided upon well before you went live. It doesn't paint your operation as very professional IMO.

    I would also hope that you asked Bryan if he minded you using his forums to help setup your business.

    Nothing personal Viktar just an observation about your casino.
     
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  26. May 29, 2011
  27. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster Twitch Streamer - Affiliate webmeister

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    I raised a question and sent email to our dev. team about this. I also can't see nothing bad if casino operator asks players how to make their games better for them. Most of slots were developed without me being involved as player.

    I think saying that we "setup business" using CM forum is not right, since our casino is up and running since February. All I can agree with is "improvement". But wasn't Casinomeister site also "set up" for this? To make casinos better and keep them improving? Can't see anything bad if we asked players' opinions about how to make it better. Nothing personal, Nifty, but I think you are trying to find a problem where there is no problem at all.

    And more: I think if I was asking too much, or was like P.I.T.A. - Bryan or Max would take appropriate actions. You know they are pretty fast with that.

    Regards,
    Viktar.
     
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  29. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    I just expressed my opinion that you may be taking liberties. It wasn't personal, but you seem to have taken it that way.

    Starting many threads 'asking questions' is also an excellent method of free advertising.

    Personally, I would be loathe to deposit to a casino that asks forum members what they should do with x player in x situation, or how much they should pay those who promote them. It really looks like nobody has a clue what they're doing. I know for a fact I'm not the only person who gets that impression, but its up to you how you use the feedback.

    I've said my piece so carry on.

    Apologies for the slight derail.
     
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  31. H1_Roller

    H1_Roller Non-Gambler

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    "Queen of the Rings"

    I like that :lolup:
     
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  33. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

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    Maybe rearranging the symbols on the reel strips so that a scatter and an Wild do not appear on the same reel at the same time? If no symbols are added or subtracted, this should not affect the theorhetical RTP.
     
  34. May 30, 2011
  35. maxwall

    maxwall Experienced Member

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    sounds like a (Book of Ra) clone :D









    ps : you know my english is not the best :baby:
     
  36. May 30, 2011
  37. Repro

    Repro Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnonaccred

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    Actually i think Bryan would be happy to see reps asking players for opinions. This way you can do everything that's possible to keep players satisfied.
    I feel there's no better place to do this than here!

    Of course, if i'm wrong, Bryan can just let Viktar know. Just my opinion!
     
  38. May 30, 2011
  39. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Fair point IMO. Plus I'd say SlotMonster has been a CM user and contributor long enough to earn a little slack. Of course, there are limits but so far I don't see an issue personally.

    I'm struggling to see how a slot with these features could be anything but high variance - unless some of the "expanding" symbols are removed from the reel OR the expanding symbol is only ever a high-pay symbol and lands infrequently.

    The nature of expanding symbols and wilds usually means you can't afford to give away too many decent wins in "normal" play or the slot would make a loss.
     
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