A Question For Binary 128 (Of T's and C's)

TheLastCylon

Banned User - violation of rule 1.19
Binary,

I'm assuming that you read through my previous comments on T&C's and kind of guessed as to where I was heading, thus resulting in your request to push my questioning off into a separate thread. So I am.

Before anything else, I found a very(!) short T&C's page at Pinnacle and no page on your Galewind Software website. Could you direct me to yours, if they exist, and Pinnacle's full terms?
 

Nifty29

Dormant account
Why should anyone answer your questions when you won't answer theirs?

It must be very sad to be ashamed of oneself to such a point where one has to pretend to be someone else.
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
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With all due respect nifty (and I realise you have a bee in your bonnet about Cylon and his mysterious alleged extra identities) I'd be interested to hear from binary about this.

As a new player myself at Pinnacle I do have a direct interest in this matter, I have looked for Pinnacle's T&Cs and not found much.
 

maxd

Complaints (PAB) Manager
Staff member
... I realise you have a bee in your bonnet about Cylon and his mysterious alleged extra identities....
He's not the only one asking those questions so no need for the personal jabs here. Uncool and not forum-friendly. Please don't.
 

binary128

Dormant account
@Nifty29 - Your statement:

Well, I think you'll find cylon has already been awarded the tin foil hat under their previous username....
@MaxD - Your response:

Do you know something I don't? If not, if you're just speculating, then please be aware how contentious that can be and how much we don't need flame wars based on speculations. If you've got proof by all means share it. Otherwise ... maybe not the best thing for the forums, no?
@Nifty29 - Your conclusion:

Fair enough.


@TheLastCylon:

I would be happy to answer any questions which might make a contribution of value to Casinomeister members.

However, I have no interest in getting involved with, or having the thread become bogged down in, this ... clutter.

I'd conclude that this thread has been effectively derailed into the canyon. It might, however, be worth another shot, perhaps at a later date.

Chris
 

Nifty29

Dormant account
@Nifty29 - Your statement:



@MaxD - Your response:



@Nifty29 - Your conclusion:





@TheLastCylon:

I would be happy to answer any questions which might make a contribution of value to Casinomeister members.

However, I have no interest in getting involved with, or having the thread become bogged down in, this ... clutter.

I'd conclude that this thread has been effectively derailed into the canyon. It might, however, be worth another shot, perhaps at a later date.

Chris
It's good that you don't want to get involved in the "clutter".

However, since you already have by.posting those links, you may want to read the whole thread next time and not take single comments out of context, AND actually take into account the recent statements by Max, myself, and others.

With all due respect Chris, if you don't want to get involved, then don't get involved.
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
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It's good that you don't want to get involved in the "clutter".

However, since you already have by.posting those links, you may want to read the whole thread next time and not take single comments out of context, AND actually take into account the recent statements by Max, myself, and others.

With all due respect Chris, if you don't want to get involved, then don't get involved.
Erm, hang on a minute.

The mistake you and max are making is in assuming that everyone cares as much as you do about who/what/where Cylon was in an alleged previous incarnation, when actually there may just be folks around (Cylon included) who are happy to let bygones be bygones and engage in an adult conversation in the present tense.

The fact of the matter is nifty that you derailed this thread with the first reply and you did so within two hours of Cylon starting it and before Chris had any chance to make a response.

If you had 'due respect' for Chris you'd have simply let this thread run its natural course without banging the DERAIL hammer on it so quickly. I can only assume that you can't prove anything with regards to Cylon and previous accounts or he'd already be banned, so given this absence of evidence, why not either let him be a CM member or not? This kind of 'limbo' he's in whereby he's not banned but can't post or start a thread without the DERAIL hammer coming down is just embarrassing.

I for one am dismayed to see that the president and CTO of Galewind software, (by all accounts one of the most upstanding outfits in the online casino business), feels that he can't post in a thread related to his own company because it has been so comprehensively despoiled by 'senior' CM members before he has had chance to make a proper response :(
 

Nifty29

Dormant account
Erm, hang on a minute.

The mistake you and max are making is in assuming that everyone cares as much as you do about who/what/where Cylon was in an alleged previous incarnation, when actually there may just be folks around (Cylon included) who are happy to let bygones be bygones and engage in an adult conversation in the present tense.

The fact of the matter is nifty that you derailed this thread with the first reply and you did so within two hours of Cylon starting it and before Chris had any chance to make a response.

If you had 'due respect' for Chris you'd have simply let this thread run its natural course without banging the DERAIL hammer on it so quickly. I can only assume that you can't prove anything with regards to Cylon and previous accounts or he'd already be banned, so given this absence of evidence, why not either let him be a CM member or not? This kind of 'limbo' he's in whereby he's not banned but can't post or start a thread without the DERAIL hammer coming down is just embarrassing.

I for one am dismayed to see that the president and CTO of Galewind software, (by all accounts one of the most upstanding outfits in the online casino business), feels that he can't post in a thread related to his own company because it has been so comprehensively despoiled by 'senior' CM members before he has had chance to make a proper response :(
How do you know so much about Galewind and how upstanding they are? You seem to be singing their praises very highly based on a few hours of play. I'm not saying Chris isn't a stand up and intelligent guy - he is and I respect his views - but he could have just started a new thread and not remarked about the cylon thing at all.

FTR, I do apologize for the derail initially. It was bad judgement. You see, I have a long history of owning up to my mistakes and admitting when I'm wrong, and being honest. It's more than I can say for others.

Are you sure you have no connection to galewind etc? I thought it was extremely odd that you would state that you didn't when nobody had even intimated that you did.
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
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Are you sure you have no connection to galewind etc? I thought it was extremely odd that you would state that you didn't when nobody had even intimated that you did.
Who's supposed to have the tinfoil hat here, you or Cylon? ;)

As for my opinions of Chris and Galewind, the internet has an eternal memory and so do the CM forums, so it didn't take up too much of my time to do a little bit of background reading and reach a personal conclusion as to my feelings and how I wished to express them.

(At a basic level, let's compare the current Purple Lounge clusterf**k and MG's signature silence with Heroes Casino going rogue and Galewind stepping up to the plate and ponying up $34,000 of their own cash, that sort of thing gets a very big tick in my 'Kudos' column.)

My 'disclaimer' of association with Galewind had no nefarious intent behind it, I just felt that since I was writing so positively about them I should declare my interests, namely that were none whatsoever and I was just an impressed player, a basic 'member of the public' with something good to say.

Anyway, thanks for accepting that the initial derail was uncalled for, I'm a new member here and I have no wish to fall out with anyone, or to establish any sort of ongoing argument with anyone either, life's too short for that shit - so I'm quite happy to drop this and move on :)
 

binary128

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It's good that you don't want to get involved in the "clutter".

However, since you already have by.posting those links, you may want to read the whole thread next time and not take single comments out of context, AND actually take into account the recent statements by Max, myself, and others.

With all due respect Chris, if you don't want to get involved, then don't get involved.
Nifty29, the title of this thread is "A Question for Binary128 ...". By definition, I am involved.

Tell me Nifty29, how within the bounds of the known universe did your first post, the first response to this thread, have anything whatsoever to do with the thread's topic?

"... take single comments out of context." I included links to the entire post. That is the definition of context.

Casinomeister, MaxD, Simmo! - this is just getting really weird. I would go so far as to say that this is getting frightening.

I know I've only been a member of Casinomeister for 3 years, and haven't actually spent a lot of time reading the various threads, but I can say that I have never, never, seen anything like this.

The question that keeps running through my mind: "If this could happen to TheLastCylon, could this also happen to me?" And that is frightening.

Chris
 

maxd

Complaints (PAB) Manager
Staff member
The mistake you and max are making is in assuming that everyone cares as much as you do about who/what/where Cylon was in an alleged previous incarnation....
I suggest you have another look at the Forum Rules. Two out of the 18 General Posting Rules explicitly forbid multiple accounts, gnoming, etc. Another states that members who make a PITA of themselves -- and sneaking back in under a new account name certainly qualifies -- are not welcome and will be booted at the Administration's discretion.

I think it's safe to say that the management of this site cares very much about such things. And while Bryan -- he would be Mr. Site Management since he wrote those Forum Rules -- is away it is left to the moderators, like me, to represent his interests and wishes as best we can. If you knew and respected this site you would know that considerable effort goes into keeping the multiple-account pests at bay. They are a plague on the forums and a big fat time suck. So yes, we very much do care about such things.

When you run a forum you can ignore your Forum Rules as you like. I am not so inclined and do not believe that a sneak should be given a pass simply because he's trying to be low-key about it. He almost certainly knows that asking permission was the way to move forward if he wanted to be readmitted. Ignoring the house rules and flipping the bird to management's previous decision is most definitely not the way to proceed and, as I've said before, doing so pretty much proves that he was originally shown the door for a very good reason.

Last but not least I seriously doubt you know the first thing about what the rank and file Casinomeister membership wants or does not want, regarding this circumstance or any other. Generally speaking, I wouldn't presume to make such statements and neither should you.

Apologies for the derail ... but since this topic was started by the person who's right to be here at all is in question I guess maybe it isn't really a derail after all. ;)
 

Nifty29

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Nifty29, the title of this thread is "A Question for Binary128 ...". By definition, I am involved.

Tell me Nifty29, how within the bounds of the known universe did your first post, the first response to this thread, have anything whatsoever to do with the thread's topic?

"... take single comments out of context." I included links to the entire post. That is the definition of context.

Casinomeister, MaxD, Simmo! - this is just getting really weird. I would go so far as to say that this is getting frightening.

I know I've only been a member of Casinomeister for 3 years, and haven't actually spent a lot of time reading the various threads, but I can say that I have never, never, seen anything like this.

The question that keeps running through my mind: "If this could happen to TheLastCylon, could this also happen to me?" And that is frightening.

Chris

Your involvement in this discussion is inappropriate as an industry rep.

It has nothing to do with your company or software or casinos in general. The thread mentions your name, but that doesn't mean every post is addressed to you.

You chose to get involved with the argument. You were not "dragged in" as you proclaim, so please don't play that card.

As for the posts you linked, they were earlier posts which were superseded by later ones to the contrary.....but then, you know that.

Cylon knows what is "happening" to him, and pretty soon you'll discover why. It's only "happened" to a few people over the years, and they've always been exposed as the dweebs they are.

I also assume you've asked Bryan's permission to involve the membership in your marketing plans etc, and that you're paying for all the advertising you've been doing here. I don't doubt for a moment that you're a smart man and that you have a genuine interest in online gaming, and that you're aware that your involvement in the forum is great PR.
 

Gremmyboy

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I think that was entirely uncalled for Nifty(and rather nasty and retaliatory)!

I for one have never taken any post that Binary128(Chris) has written as anything other than a genuine interest in the gaming community as a whole and an attempt to provide the clarity and transparency that most on this forum so desire!

I Couldn't give a rats who Cylon WAS/IS/MAY BE/WILL BE IN THE FUTURE..... I've found most of his threads a really interesting read. They have been well written and presented factually and have started some great debates!

I'm getting really annoyed that every thread of Cylons is being derailed by nonsense and I can't fathom why you are being so persistent in your accusations?
We all get it, you think/know you are right!
I believe that Max is being overly Harsh too, especially to Chopley who is another new member who has offered a lot to this forum!

The newer threads by these members and other Newbs have been some of the best I have read at CM in a long while! I was starting to get bored with CM due to there being no interesting discussion threads for a long time!
The Last Cylon and ChopleyIOM are a breath of fresh air in my honest opinion!

I just feel as though you are on a mission to be heard and are insistent on injecting your point of view any chance you get! It's getting tiresome!

This is the third thread that was interesting that has been derailed or skewed with accusations and agendas!

You may be right and Bryan may ban him when he returns but until then I believe he has as much right to post freely as any other CM member!

I never normally chime in much these days but feel like a lot of members are feeling the same!

The attack on Chris was rude and uncalled for and entirely disrespectful in my opinion!



Cheers
Gremmy
 

maxd

Complaints (PAB) Manager
Staff member
I believe that Max is being overly Harsh too, especially to Chopley ....
As it is I haven't a clue what you are referring to. If you'd care to elaborate on that in a PM or email or even a separate thread I'll be happy to respond.
 

Gremmyboy

Dormant account
As it is I haven't a clue what you are referring to. If you'd care to elaborate on that in a PM or email or even a separate thread I'll be happy to respond.
I will do Max. Will have to be tomorrow night as I'm logging off to go to bed now. :)

Cheers
Gremmy
 

maxd

Complaints (PAB) Manager
Staff member
At your convenience.

And just a reminder to all: if you have a problem with the posts of a fellow forum member you are advised to "Report" the post and let the admin/mods deal with it. Chiding others on the forums is not good for the forum vibe and, as the man said, "it only annoys the pig".

 

Nifty29

Dormant account
I was harsher than I meant to be.

@Chris - I apologize if I offended you or if anything I.said upset you personally. I do appreciate your input.

@the membership - I apologize for the recent posts I've made that have derailed some threads. I should know better. I had my reasons, and all of them sincere, but it doesn't mean I was right to do it.

I've already stated in another thread that I'm not posting anymore re cylon etc and ill include Chris in that too. If anyone wants to continue the brow-beating, then have at it, as I have apologized and that's my last input on the matter.
 
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anniemac

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As for gremmy and the high-fivers.....it is more than just a little hypocritical to personally insult and attack me and sink the boots in, because you think I attacked someone else. It's the pot calling the kettle black.
I'm one of the high-fivers and I would like for you to post where I have personally insulted, attacked or sunk the boots in to you. I have never, nor will I ever, attack someone personally. Nor am I hypocritical. If I don't like something or someone, they will know it but not in a nasty, combative way.

I think Gremmy had some valid points and as such thanked him for his post.

Next time, Nifty, might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
 

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