A crazy week (netent bashing)

[plasticnote]

So here is another netent bashing thread, it dose not involve any particular slots, just what happened in the past 7 days.

1) Monday
I started playing on Novomatic at quasargaming - so 3 hours play and 1100 euro in, I hit a big one on 4 euro - paid 1899 euro
Then before go to bed, played 2 hours netent - lost 900 USD

2) Tuesday
I started playing on Novomatic at energy casino - so 1 hour play with 200 USD, got a good feature and paid 630 usd
Then before go to bed, played 3 hours netent - lost 300 AUD

3) Wednesday
I started playing on Novomatic at quasargaming lost 600 euro, lost 380 AUD on MG, then won 90 euro after play 4 hours netent by 2 euro bet

4) Thursday
I started playing on Novomatic at energy casino - 4 hours play hit a big feature and won 3000 USD, did not feel like playing any netent and went to bed (good for me)

5) Friday
Great, bet-at has netent now, and played whole night lost AUD 2000... next morning played at betsson on netent and lost another 400 USD

6) From Saturday - Now: lost AUD 300 on netent from bet-at again, then won 400 euro from quasargaming. Lost USD 1350 playing on Novomatic at energy casino. Lost AUD 400 on netent and then won 4500 AUD from MG (redflush and lucky 247).

That is a whole week - many many sessions, 10K of spins, total 8.5K in deposits. bet-size $3-$10

You all can see now, I can win big and lose big at any other software, then come to the netent, I won very little, but come to lose, that was huge... I just really wonder why... (Almost all winning screenshots are in winner screenshot section, I always upload as soon as I won)

Will I keep playing netent? yes, I hope it can turn better and more fair to players...

thanks

 

[Balthazar]

You're a high roller Plasticnote (by my standards at least) and high rolling most Netent slots is such a dangerous affair. Which games were you playing?

 

[plasticnote]

You're a high roller Plasticnote (by my standards at least) and high rolling most Netent slots is such a dangerous affair. Which games were you playing?

the creature, wish master, Jack and beanstalk, Gonzo plus a bit DOA and very few spins MF dreams - $3 to $10 is not high rolling... I switch bet size very quick and often

 

[SubzeroWins]

the creature, wish master, Jack and beanstalk, Gonzo plus a bit DOA and very few spins MF dreams - $3 to $10 is not high rolling... I switch bet size very quick and often

every single one of those is higher variance slot except MF Dreams (?)
and why are you still playing netent if other provider win more?

 

[dunover]

the creature, wish master, Jack and beanstalk, Gonzo plus a bit DOA and very few spins MF dreams - $3 to $10 is not high rolling... I switch bet size very quick and often

HV hell in other words. As Balt said in another thread, those games should be approached with caution and low stakes. IF I had your staking ability I wouldn't touch any of them - Evolution and Rockets can pay potential hits of 500-1000x stake and more likely than any of those you played too, and give you plenty of tick-over wins in between. With the exception of DoA and JaTB the rest of your list like TFTUT/Gonzo/Dish Washer in reality will only pay similar to Evolution and Rockets in stake multiples but far less often.

I'd be interested to know how you get on if you choose to high-roll the old Netbent games like I suggest.

 

[plasticnote]

every single one of those is higher variance slot except MF Dreams (?)
and why are you still playing netent if other provider win more?

I am asking myself the same question, deep down I believe netent slots are random, if so I should already get my share of big ones.

But it is over due too long.

 

[whodatrec]

Well, two week ago in the duration of 1,5 weeks i deposited around 9000 NOK and cashed out 120 000NOK over at Betsson. Since then i have deposited maybe 15000 NOK over ruffly 15 deposits. I havent hit anything decent at all.. Wouldent be to much to ask for to tripple my deposite? Has happened maybe 2 times in those 15 deposits..

Its always like this after a win.. I have cut down alot on gambling now as i dont feel these slots are as fair as some would state.

Its all a big AWP... Feed it and it pays. Win and you have to lose before you win again.

 

[plasticnote]

HV hell in other words. As Balt said in another thread, those games should be approached with caution and low stakes. IF I had your staking ability I wouldn't touch any of them - Evolution and Rockets can pay potential hits of 500-1000x stake and more likely than any of those you played too, and give you plenty of tick-over wins in between. With the exception of DoA and JaTB the rest of your list like TFTUT/Gonzo/Dish Washer in reality will only pay similar to Evolution and Rockets in stake multiples but far less often.

I'd be interested to know how you get on if you choose to high-roll the old Netbent games like I suggest.

Firstly, I will take your advise and give a go on the slots you pointed. thank you and your way of naming netent slots always bright my day.

Secondly, I do not think it is too much HV if consider all MG and RTG monsters I have battled over these years.

-IR, 4 reels of wilds, 4 times - $3 bet
-TS2 700x bet @ $15
-Santa wild ride 4 reels of wilds 3 times - $7.5 bet
-BDBA - 5 sapphires @ $9

then I tired of posting these, Avalon 2 - 5 scatters and 4 reels of wilds all mulit times... @$15

they all in Screen section, I just cannot believe that I could not get similar things on netent slots.

Or it is not HV but rather netent variance, a sugary coated poison for players then I would ask where is their designer 's ethic?

 

[plasticnote]

Well, two week ago in the duration of 1,5 weeks i deposited around 9000 NOK and cashed out 120 000NOK over at Betsson. Since then i have deposited maybe 15000 NOK over ruffly 15 deposits. I havent hit anything decent at all.. Wouldent be to much to ask for to tripple my deposite? Has happened maybe 2 times in those 15 deposits..

Its always like this after a win.. I have cut down alot on gambling now as i dont feel these slots are as fair as some would state.

Its all a big AWP... Feed it and it pays. Win and you have to lose before you win again.

I agree but the same time, I think if anything in the paytable, it is should be at least remotely possible, I have seen 5 reels of wilds on IR, TS2 in the screen section, but where are those max pay in netent slots? eg 500x on starburst ?

 

[Balthazar]

I agree but the same time, I think if anything in the paytable, it is should be at least remotely possible, I have seen 5 reels of wilds on IR, TS2 in the screen section, but where are those max pay in netent slots? eg 500x on starburst ?

That's the thing, it's not because that the max pay is low (500x) that it's easy to get. That was very dumb of them to put only 500x on a screen that hard to get but hey, they wanted to keep maximum TRTP for the other wins I guess.

Personally I've got 1000x+ on 3 NetEnt games: JATB, DOA and Reel Steal. We've also seen 1000x+ screenshots from Twin Spin, Wish Master, CFTBL and a few others.

Sure that's not on par with MGS, but Netent's variance is "different". You usually need several big wins in a short lapse of time to make a decent profit. It's possible, but it's hard so you need to bet low (ie: NOT $3 to $10/spin unless your starting balance is insanely high)

 

[randomiam]

i had a net ent win mega win but low bets

i was playing my 27 cent bets at betsafe and got the 5 scatters for the second time on doa 2500x bet when it come to net for me its low bets all the way
will post screenshot with my other ones later today

 

[tinybettor]

I don't understand this Netent variance. I've lost a boatload on Netent more than any other provider, yet I haven't been able to get more than >400x bet playing these so called mega ultra variance slots week after week. I get more medium sized wins of 100-200x bet playing MG's ultra variance slots such as IR, Playboy, LOF than Netent and more playtime on average. I guess I just have ridiculously bad luck. I've only had a couple of sessions where I got a few medium sized hits close together which is really the only way to gain a decent profit playing Netent. And getting this is so rare, I'm practically losing a few thousand to get one session where I make a few hundred. I don't mind losing, its practically inevitable and part of gambling, but when you have a 20:1 deposit/withdrawal ratio, with generous cashout rules of only 2x deposit, I think anyone with such results have a right to be somewhat angry.

 

[Balthazar]

I don't understand this Netent variance.

In short, that means legitimately paying the TRTP while doing its best to prevent people from making enough money to cashout.

I've lost a boatload on Netent more than any other provider

See? It's working.

 

[plasticnote]

In short, that means legitimately paying the TRTP while doing its best to prevent people from making enough money to cashout.



See? It's working.

I agree. Netent slots will cause much more damage to my bankroll, so lower my bet to max $1 level is the way to go...

 

[dave1888]

I agree. Netent slots will cause much more damage to my bankroll, so lower my bet to max $1 level is the way to go...

You can win 1k plus on creature at that bet and around 5-6k on jatb if you get lucky with the harps, another game to try is big bang just be patient bear in mind this epic slot pays up to 32x winning symbol payx your line bet size! I have won lots on this game Another game to consider believe it or not at 90p-1.20 stakes is flowers it can produce beautiful wins! up to 3 grand during free spins at 90p bet! With the highest winning pic I have seen online being 45grand for 6euro lol :O! Lastly don't forget silent run I won 500pounds on 50p on this slot during its bonus game (pic is on here somewhere) Another beloved favourite is Alien Robots I scooped monsters on this game best win was 727 for 2.40 but at lower stake of 1.80 in base game I won £350 for the 5 red aliens it is a 243 and and 30 payline game so if you hit many wilds with big symbol it can win massive!!

 

[plasticnote]

Each of my deposit is AUD500 - 1000 I expect to see this kind of result at least once a fortnight...

These are the past 7 days from other providers, there are few 200 - 300 x I did not bother to post ... I play MG(most), novomatic, netent every day...

I am gambling not playing video games ...

The major thing is netent slots rarely pay on middle sized bet. I admit I cannot afford $100 a spin, I will go broke in a year...

I found that netent has some sorts of bet size detection function, when I low roll I do get good result, but when I bet a little more than $1, the RTP drops to 60%... I did not say netent is not random but it has bias against bet size. I used to play at nordicbet on netent only, once I tested the DOA for the entire month @4.5 - @9, not hitting once 100x, then next month I played $1.35 and hit DOA 5 wild line twice in 1000 spins...

So other players did not notice that, or they just do not want to mention it?

Here is what I want to say to netent, online gaming is very competitive business, to gain a popularity, you have to make players feel that if they try hard, they can get what they want to see (at a cost of course). Otherwise, no matter how many times, how big the MF jackpot payout, most of players will only feel remotely impossible for them, and they do not care... You high RTP also means nothing to experienced players, can only lure the freshmen. Once your reputation got out there... it is hard for you to change it.

I think most players here when they mention netent, it equals DOA...

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[plasticnote]

You can win 1k plus on creature at that bet and around 5-6k on jatb if you get lucky with the harps, another game to try is big bang just be patient bear in mind this epic slot pays up to 32x winning symbol payx your line bet size! I have won lots on this game Another game to consider believe it or not at 90p-1.20 stakes is flowers it can produce beautiful wins! up to 3 grand during free spins at 90p bet! With the highest winning pic I have seen online being 45grand for 6euro lol :O! Lastly don't forget silent run I won 500pounds on 50p on this slot during its bonus game (pic is on here somewhere) Another beloved favourite is Alien Robots I scooped monsters on this game best win was 727 for 2.40 but at lower stake of 1.80 in base game I won £350 for the 5 red aliens it is a 243 and and 30 payline game so if you hit many wilds with big symbol it can win massive!!

I will try, I dump some sorts of money in it, I will lower my bet and see these slots perform some kind of magic...

I agree, old netent slots paying better, those published in 2011 - 2012 do pay some from time to time

Hopefully, I can post a "Extreme Large Super Mega Big Win" soon.

 

[trade]

I found that netent has some sorts of bet size detection function, when I low roll I do get good result, but when I bet a little more than $1, the RTP drops to 60%... I did not say netent is not random but it has bias against bet size. I used to play at nordicbet on netent only, once I tested the DOA for the entire month @4.5 - @9, not hitting once 100x, then next month I played $1.35 and hit DOA 5 wild line twice in 1000 spins...

So other players did not notice that, or they just do not want to mention it?

Not to be accused of "conspiracy theory", but I agree with your observation re. bet size detection, not just on netent but in general. In the past I won 1200X bet on 18 and 27ct bet on BDBA at many different MG casinos once per casino, never to be repeated again at each casino. When I tried keeping a steady 45 to 90 cent bet on BDBA at William Hill and many 1000's of deposits, I never hit big once. Random, kinda maybe sorta, but I have never believed in this concept completely with any casino.

 

[Blathaon]

Each of my deposit is AUD500 - 1000 I expect to see this kind of result at least once a fortnight...

These are the past 7 days from other providers, there are few 200 - 300 x I did not bother to post ... I play MG(most), novomatic, netent every day...

I am gambling not playing video games ...

The major thing is netent slots rarely pay on middle sized bet. I admit I cannot afford $100 a spin, I will go broke in a year...

I found that netent has some sorts of bet size detection function, when I low roll I do get good result, but when I bet a little more than $1, the RTP drops to 60%... I did not say netent is not random but it has bias against bet size. I used to play at nordicbet on netent only, once I tested the DOA for the entire month @4.5 - @9, not hitting once 100x, then next month I played $1.35 and hit DOA 5 wild line twice in 1000 spins...

So other players did not notice that, or they just do not want to mention it?

Here is what I want to say to netent, online gaming is very competitive business, to gain a popularity, you have to make players feel that if they try hard, they can get what they want to see (at a cost of course). Otherwise, no matter how many times, how big the MF jackpot payout, most of players will only feel remotely impossible for them, and they do not care... You high RTP also means nothing to experienced players, can only lure the freshmen. Once your reputation got out there... it is hard for you to change it.

I think most players here when they mention netent, it equals DOA...

If you truly believe that Netent slots doesn't pay the same RTP for all the bet sizes then i have to ask why you continue to play them?

Also do you have any evidence or is this just based on a few thousand spins and a feeling of low RTP, since you say 60% i assume that you have gotten this number from somewhere?
IF you do have any evidence then please share it here as this would be pretty serious if true.

once I tested the DOA for the entire month @4.5 - @9, not hitting once 100x, then next month I played $1.35 and hit DOA 5 wild line twice in 1000 spins...

This doesn't prove much, you say that your deposits always are 500-1000 AUD. So clearly there will be a massive difference between playing 1.35$ spins and 4.5-9$ spins, since your bankroll will last a lot longer on the lower bet sizes and vice versa.

I think most players here when they mention netent, it equals DOA...

This might be true, for me i mainly play DOA when playing NetEnt. But i do play other Netent slots as well,
you seem to prefer high variance slots and then nothing beats DOA when it comes to the frequency of big wins.

Some other Netent slots that i play are Evolution, Magic Portals, CFTBL, The WishMaster. And sometimes Silent Run and Twinspin.

I often play Evolution or Magic Portals after a big DOA win when I'm trying to complete the WR as they are lower variance, so you can definitely bet higher on those.

 

[plasticnote]

I did lower my bet to $1 and I did hit something great tonight on netent. so it is the way to go.
I pop in 100 with 1$ bet in 2 session I hit 200x 2 times on Creature (5 wilds and a free spin), 300x 1 times on gonzo. In the process, won 500.

Next week I will try do 100,000 spins on DOA with 27c - 36c. Hope a great win.

Cheers

plasticnote

 

[plasticnote]

Hi Blathaon:

I enjoy your great video, and I just try to find a way to play netent, so it is enjoyable for me. no bias.

In the thread, I only express what I experienced. I have no evidence. I think I just try to discuss here.

I felt that lower bet did give me good results, so I will do this way on netent. that is it.

Cheers

plasticnote

If you truly believe that Netent slots doesn't pay the same RTP for all the bet sizes then i have to ask why you continue to play them?

Also do you have any evidence or is this just based on a few thousand spins and a feeling of low RTP, since you say 60% i assume that you have gotten this number from somewhere?
IF you do have any evidence then please share it here as this would be pretty serious if true.



This doesn't prove much, you say that your deposits always are 500-1000 AUD. So clearly there will be a massive difference between playing 1.35$ spins and 4.5-9$ spins, since your bankroll will last a lot longer on the lower bet sizes and vice versa.


This might be true, for me i mainly play DOA when playing NetEnt. But i do play other Netent slots as well,
you seem to prefer high variance slots and then nothing beats DOA when it comes to the frequency of big wins.

Some other Netent slots that i play are Evolution, Magic Portals, CFTBL, The WishMaster. And sometimes Silent Run and Twinspin.

I often play Evolution or Magic Portals after a big DOA win when I'm trying to complete the WR as they are lower variance, so you can definitely bet higher on those.

 

[Blathaon]

Hi Blathaon:

I enjoy your great video, and I just try to find a way to play netent, so it is enjoyable for me. no bias.

In the thread, I only express what I experienced. I have no evidence. I think I just try to discuss here.

I felt that lower bet did give me good results, so I will do this way on netent. that is it.

Cheers

plasticnote

Thanks, no problem i wasn't trying to accuse you of anything it's just that without some hard data it's impossible to evaluate whether or not there is anything to what you say you experienced. I take it that the 60% is just a guess then?

At most casinos you could ask for your RTP and they will tell you your RTP and spin count either overall or for individual games. My point is that if your deposits are the same size but you suddenly bet a lot higher or a lot lower then you will expect to see a difference in RTP in the short run since the amount of spins you get per deposit will be affected a lot.

At least you seem to be doing good at MG and Novomatic

 

[plasticnote]

Thanks, no problem i wasn't trying to accuse you of anything it's just that without some hard data it's impossible to evaluate whether or not there is anything to what you say you experienced. I take it that the 60% is just a guess then?

At most casinos you could ask for your RTP and they will tell you your RTP and spin count either overall or for individual games. My point is that if your deposits are the same size but you suddenly bet a lot higher or a lot lower then you will expect to see a difference in RTP in the short run since the amount of spins you get per deposit will be affected a lot.

At least you seem to be doing good at MG and Novomatic

I did really good on Novomatic, thanks your video.

thanks Blathaon, by the way, what is name of the software, you speed up DOA. I will need it next week. Plan to do 100K spins on DOA with 4 windows.

 

[Blathaon]

I did really good on Novomatic, thanks your video.

thanks Blathaon, by the way, what is name of the software, you speed up DOA. I will need it next week. Plan to do 100K spins on DOA with 4 windows.

It's called CheatEngine, just google it . I play DOA on 2x speed but you could go higher, anything over 5x though and you will most likely see a lot of disconnects.

I look forward to seeing some juicy screenshots

Edit:
It's easy to use but if you have any issues here is my post about CheatEngine. https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-videos.42826/

 

[whodatrec]

Im starting to wonder myself what the F is going on with these games... I have now lost 40 deposits in a row... Was ahead 2 times when i doubled my deposit... So this is bad luck? No way!!
Every time you cash out its like this.. Its gotta be something with the IP of my computer... Like NetEnt can adjust my RTP accordingly... How else can u lose 40 deposits in a row without standing a chance at winning. Its downhill from the very first spin EVERY TIME!

Unreal is what it is!! Exactley the same thing happened to me the last time i won big and now its happening again... I think its better to quit online gambling as im convinced its rigged somehow.. Its just unreal and disqusting!

Same with my girlfriend she NEVER wins anything at all, its just insane!! Never seen such bad luck in my life! Im done! Wont be posting here anymore either so have fun and good luck!