97.8% RTP slots - did you know about them?

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If I hadn't read the thread linked below, I'd have had no idea that Galewind Software and the casino running their software, Pinnaclesports.com, even existed.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slot-statistics-critiques-requested.49985/

The thing about Galewind's slots is they all pay out at around 97.5%, which is frickin' massive, the highest of any software provider in the world as far as I can tell? Add on the 0.3% cashback that Pinnacle award on all wagers and your effective RTP is 97.8%

I signed up yesterday with £200 - (there is no SUB or bonus of any kind at Pinnacle apart from the 0.3% cashback, so it's for 'straight' players only) - and finished the evening with £560. OK I had a lucky run and obviously all the slots have a house edge the same as everywhere else, except the house edge is really quite small.

After several hours play what I will say is that slots paying at such a high RTP really did feel different from what I'm used to. Y'know the score, bonus rounds that don't drop in, free spins rounds that just won't pay, that feeling of 'suction' that anything decent has to be 'paid for' somehow - none of that applied to playing the slots at Pinnacle, that 97.5% made my entire session feel very different. (The contrast to a session at Jackpot Party, where all the base games are at 92% was especially stark. Not that I don't like Jackpot Party and their games, but when you're not hitting the JPP (which is where 3% of the RTP goes to) the low 92% RTP on the base games can hurt.)

The highest paying slot at Pinnacle is a single line slot called Diamonds Wild, this has an RTP of 97.59%, add on the 0.3% cashback and you're talking about a slot that has a long-term RTP of very nearly 98%, does such a slot exist anywhere else?

Assuming Galewind are being honest with their numbers - (and they're certified by these guys
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, plus they're the provider who stepped up to the plate when Heroes Casino went rogue and refused to pay, Galewind paid the player $34,000 out of their own pockets when they didn't have to https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/heroes-casino-blackjack-issues-slow-pay.28007/ ) - don't they have the highest paying online slots in the world?

Galewind have a stats page for all their slots here by the way - Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

So did you know about these guys? If so did you still choose not to play there? Or if you didn't know about them, are you now minded to give them a try?

Please note that I am in no way whatsoever affiliated with or have any commercial interest in Pinnacle or Galewind, I'm just a bit like 'WTF? Slots at 97.5%? Why didn't I know about them already?'
 

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Do a search on this site and you will find other positive things about this company.
 

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Thanks for that jetset, there are a few references to Pinnacle and Galewind but not a massive amount, and not as much as I'd expect for an outfit that appears to be offering (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong here) the highest paying slots in the world?

Any reason why they're not accredited do we know?
 

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The highest paying slot at Pinnacle is a single line slot called Diamonds Wild, this has an RTP of 97.59%, add on the 0.3% cashback and you're talking about a slot that has a long-term RTP of very nearly 98%, does such a slot exist anywhere else?

Net Entertainment has a couple of slots with a theoretical RTP of 98,8% and 99% :)
 

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Hmmm, I think it's long overdue that I gave NetEnt slots a try.

High variance isn't a problem as long as you match your bankroll and stake appropriately, 99% is a massive RTP for a slot - is that on the paytable or in a help file somewhere?
 

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I can not give definite statements about all of these, but the information I have seen:

IGT's Texas tea = 97.35%
Rival's Cosmic Quest Episode 2 = 98%
Several Playtech slots > 97%
A couple of Playtech slots > 98%
Playtech's Ugga Bugga = 99.07%
Many RTG slots have a 97.5% setting - but we don't know if any casinos use this setting...

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Hmmm, I think it's long overdue that I gave NetEnt slots a try.

High variance isn't a problem as long as you match your bankroll and stake appropriately, 99% is a massive RTP for a slot - is that on the paytable or in a help file somewhere?


Those two slots I mentioned will kill you :D

(By the way, I looked at your YouTube channel. Great :thumbsup:)

The theoretical RTP is listed in the "rules".


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I can not give definite statements about all of these, but the information I have seen:

IGT's Texas tea = 97.35%
Rival's Cosmic Quest Episode 2 = 98%
Several Playtech slots > 97%
A couple of Playtech slots > 98%
Playtech's Ugga Bugga = 99.07%
Many RTG slots have a 97.5% setting - but we don't know if any casinos use this setting...

KK

Are these all 'confirmed' and/or guaranteed to be running on those settings at any casino that has them? i.e. Is the RTP specifically listed on the paytable and/or in a help file, and do they have any confirmed audits against them like Galewind do?

There are some older IGT slots that have very high RTPs, another one that springs to mind is Enchanted Unicorn or something like that, which IIRC is over 97% RTP. Unfortunately IGT appear to have ramped down the RTPs on their slots over the years and they also now have the 'various maths models' too, their latest slot (Coyote Moon) on its highest setting only manages 94.98%. (Not terrible, but not 97.5% either!)
 

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Are these all 'confirmed' and/or guaranteed to be running on those settings at any casino that has them? i.e. Is the RTP specifically listed on the paytable and/or in a help file, and do they have any confirmed audits against them like Galewind do?)

That's a good question. Slot RTPs (like the ones mentioned by KasinoKong above) are most often obtained from the game's help files at some particular casino. However sometimes the RTPs may vary from one casino to another. For example I recall that at one NetEnt casino Bloodsuckers was listed at 98.00% but was listed at 94.x% at another. Therefore you can't be 100% sure that the same game pays the same at every casino, so it's always a good idea to check from the help files at the casino you play at. The problem is that at some casinos the payout is not listed in the help files.

Playtech's Ugga Bugga involves a strategy so the 99.07% is reached only with optimal strategy (not published) and it's been reported that "average player" has around 3% house edge in that game.

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gives pretty comprehensive list of slot house edges within different softwares. If you click a particular slot, they mention where the information was obtained from (usually from the help file at some casino).
 

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Hmmm, I think it's long overdue that I gave NetEnt slots a try.

High variance isn't a problem as long as you match your bankroll and stake appropriately, 99% is a massive RTP for a slot - is that on the paytable or in a help file somewhere?

I'm a fan of NetEnt. Unlike pretty much every other company on the Internet, they provide (and now we know that Galewind Software also provides), direct from the horses mouth, T-RTP data for every game. I only wish that they provided statistical analysis of their games for confirmation like Galewind.

I compiled all of their T-RTP data for slots in a previous post.

This was my final data analysis:

Best: Mega Joker- 99.0%
Worst: Relic Raiders- 90.0%
Mean: 96.04%
Median: 96.4%
Mode: 96.5%, 96.6%, 96.8%

98.0 and greater = 3 = 4.8% (98.0, 98.8, 99.0)
97.0 - 97.9 = 6 = 9.7%
96.0 - 96.9 = 34 = 54.8%
95.0 - 95.9 = 11 = 17.7%
94.9 and less = 8 = 12.9%


Values that would Round to 93 or less:
- 93.1
- 93.5
- 90
- 93
- 93.2
- 93

Values that would Round to 98 or greater:
- 98
- 97.6
- 97.9
- 98.8
- 97.8
- 99

At Galewind Software, their averages are 1.86% better, and that is not insignificant. These numbers appear to be checked out by Certified Fair Gambling as well, so serious kudos to them.

To be fair to Net Entertainment, their newer games all seem to be around 96.5%, which makes the difference smaller, but Relic Raiders is their worst and it isn't very old.

It appears that as far as T-RTP goes, Net Entertainment has been solidly knocked into second place.
 

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pinnacle is really good, a+ bookie - one of the fastest payers aswell on cashouts even on big amounts, not days, not hours... minutes...
 

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I can't speak for Galewind games but it's not unusual for a slot manufacturer to put a higher RTP on the more volatile games.

A great example is Novomatic's Lucky Lady's Charm which is a very decent 97.1% but you *have* to get the feature and re-triggers to get anywhere near the RTP on a session of any decent length.
 

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Hey Simmo!,

Where are you getting your slots RTP information for your
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website? I've come across it a few times but never been able to figure out where you're sourcing the info. Is it just rough calculations based on your play?
 

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gives pretty comprehensive list of slot house edges within different softwares. If you click a particular slot, they mention where the information was obtained from (usually from the help file at some casino).

It's not as comprehensive as you might think - i've still got approximately 200 figures to add to that list. I'd also add that where possible i cross reference the figures, so if two different casinos give different figures i express the HE as a range and that i'll be fixing the software listing in the coming weeks - currently it lists the software where i've encountered the game most frequently, but i'm going to move it to the software designer. I though the first would be more useful, but it seem to just be confusing people. Alongside this i'm pushing for more casinos to release this information as it's now built into the new ranking formula that will go live with the new site in the next few weeks.
 

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Betvoyager has several slots that pay 100%. The catch is that if you end up ahead, you will pay a commission from your profit when you cashout. The good thing about this system is that you get to play as long as you want with no disadvantage at all and only pay a relatively small fee at the end. Unfortunately their slots lack in features and graphics and don't appear very attractive to me.
 
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Betvoyager has several slots that pay 100%. The catch is that if you end up ahead, you will pay a commission from your profit when you cashout. The good thing about this system is that you get to play as long as you want with no disadvantage at all and only pay a relatively small fee at the end. Unfortunately their slots lack in features and graphics and don't appear very attractive to me.

Don't think i can award thanks yet, so i'll just say it - 'Thanks!' - i wasn't aware of the BetVoyager slots. That's another set to add to the list :)
 

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Best: Mega Joker- 99.0%

Blimey!

I'm guessing this must be one mother of a high variance slot, as rainmaker has already said.

Dare I try it?

(Currently playing at Unibet and really enjoying NetEnt's slots.)

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Hey Simmo!,

Where are you getting your slots RTP information for your Slots Junkies website? I've come across it a few times but never been able to figure out where you're sourcing the info. Is it just rough calculations based on your play?

No it's all from "official" sources where an exact figure is shown (or an exact "range" in IGT's case where applicable) but, like any half-decent phone-hacking journalist, I can't possibly reveal them :D

On "ranges" incidentally, I have been told that IGT can set the RTP of a game to suit a casino but to comply with licensing, they have to submit the lowest and highest setting and after that it can't be altered without resubmitting the game again. From my record I've noticed that typically, the slots go out with one of two settings which normally equate to the bottom and top of that range. They used to display them accurately at each casino but now it seems hit-and-miss and the "range" indicator is more common, unfortunately.
 

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No it's all from "official" sources where an exact figure is shown (or an exact "range" in IGT's case where applicable) but, like any half-decent phone-hacking journalist, I can't possibly reveal them :D

On "ranges" incidentally, I have been told that IGT can set the RTP of a game to suit a casino but to comply with licensing, they have to submit the lowest and highest setting and after that it can't be altered without resubmitting the game again. From my record I've noticed that typically, the slots go out with one of two settings which normally equate to the bottom and top of that range. They used to display them accurately at each casino but now it seems hit-and-miss and the "range" indicator is more common, unfortunately.

Whilst we're on the subject of "Murdoch exclusive interviews".......how about laying off the 0909 calls at 3am eh?

It gets very awkward sitting listening with my female colleague when the rolled up newspaper and margarine comes out......

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No it's all from "official" sources where an exact figure is shown (or an exact "range" in IGT's case where applicable) but, like any half-decent phone-hacking journalist, I can't possibly reveal them :D

On "ranges" incidentally, I have been told that IGT can set the RTP of a game to suit a casino but to comply with licensing, they have to submit the lowest and highest setting and after that it can't be altered without resubmitting the game again. From my record I've noticed that typically, the slots go out with one of two settings which normally equate to the bottom and top of that range. They used to display them accurately at each casino but now it seems hit-and-miss and the "range" indicator is more common, unfortunately.

Lol - well thanks for that. Personally i feel that this information should be made public as standard. If i went to the cinema, asked how much it was to see a film and was told 'we can't tell you, but give us your card and we'll give you a ticket' i'm sure we can all guess the response they'd receive. Same thing here - you are paying for entertainment. The RTP figure doesn't tell you what you'll lose, but it gives you a good idea of how expensive the game is to play.

On IGT, i'd always figured that the casinos offering the games could change the settings day to day where a range was listed. Other than Virgin casino who list the exact % they use.

I was surprised to see that Playtech games don't appear to be configurable and in fact offer some very good payout %s, even on the non-skill games.
 
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Lol - well thanks for that. Personally i feel that this information should be made public as standard. If i went to the cinema, asked how much it was to see a film and was told 'we can't tell you, but give us your card and we'll give you a ticket' i'm sure we call all guess the response they'd receive. Same thing here - you are paying for entertainment...
That's not really a good analogy. In fact, as an online player you're lucky that any company provides you with their RTP numbers. As I mentioned in last year's G2E review, I asked the casino floor manager in the slots/video poker section what the RTP was for certain games at the Wynn. He couldn't tell me because he didn't know.

There have been reports published on the RTPs of certain casinos on and off the strip in Vegas, to include the airport. You'd be shocked at how low they are. It seems to me that no serious online player would accept anything under 90%, but in Vegas, that's what you'll get.
 
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