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97.15% my a$$, 7 sultans. Try 67.21% over $2000 lost.

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by frosty3907, Jan 11, 2013.

    Jan 11, 2013
  1. frosty3907

    frosty3907 Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    unemployed
    Location:
    Australia
    Decided to give 7 Sultans a go based on the front page recommendation here.

    No spins over $5, probably average of $2.50 per spin.

    $2000 deposited, and even with ~$900 bonuses still a RTP % of a whopping 67.21%

    And the player support solution? Deposit more money.

    Yeah right. You already have all my money, and not a single bit of entertainment was had.

    7 sultans and your affiliates, cram it.

    e: 67.21 was after a 'recovery' from 55.5% at the $1500 mark.
    ugh, I'm too poor for this crap.
     
  2. Jan 11, 2013
  3. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    n/a
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    I'm a Canucklehead
    it's not a guaranteed RTP...if it were, who in their right mind would agree to always lose (it's not 100% right?)

    people have bad sessions it happens...you won't find the payout any different at any other microgaming....some people will get 67%, some 120%...that's why it's gambling
     
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  4. Jan 11, 2013
  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Bierland
    You do realize that this could have been any MGS powered casino - the software works the same. Why beat up 7 Sultan's?
    Fine. Infraction for flaming the administration.
     
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  6. Jan 11, 2013
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Please can you tell us, which game(s) did you play?

    :lolup: I wish I was "poor" enough to be able to deposit $2,000! :p

    KK
     
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  8. Jan 11, 2013
  9. frosty3907

    frosty3907 Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    unemployed
    Location:
    Australia
    played that new IR/TS2 clone, the finer reels or something for $500 @ $1.50 spins.

    then to Leagues of legend, around $1000, and the last $500 @ Mega Moolah and BDBA.

    And I hadn't gambled for a month, which is why I was able to deposit $2000, which leaves me without enough money to pay the dentist tomorrow but yes, very funny.
     
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  10. Jan 11, 2013
  11. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

    Occupation:
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    well, if you were hoping to win to pay the dentist that's just silly
    you also happened to play some incredibly high variance games; not a surprise at all you busted out
     
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  12. Jan 11, 2013
  13. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA


    He hates royalty, that's why.
     
  14. Jan 11, 2013
  15. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Occupation:
    Pencil Pusher
    Location:
    Up$hitCreek
    So what you're really angry about is gambling with money you couldn't afford to lose. No one can change that little scenario but you.
     
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  16. Jan 11, 2013
  17. chuzzleaddict

    chuzzleaddict On a Break

    Occupation:
    Hospitality Manager
    Location:
    Second star from the right... & straight on til mo
    Sorry man, but you just sound like a sore loser. I know its not easy to take a bad session but it happens, and in this world - gambling - you HAVE to be able to take the bad times alongside the good times, or you will not end up in a good place. The RTP you had on that session was unfortunate, but tomorrow - next week, next month even, if you keep playing you may well get it all back, maybe more. That's just the way this thing called gambling goes. Trust me, I'm not trying to be patronising, I've had more than my fair share of GODAWFUL sessions, and I know its kind of a natrual thing to want to blame the casino but it's really not their fault. You chose to gamble that money and, on this occasion, you lost it. If you have something you need to pay for (aka the dentist) then you should have set that money aside and not risked it in the first place. Sorry bud.
     
  18. Jan 11, 2013
  19. frosty3907

    frosty3907 Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    unemployed
    Location:
    Australia
    It's not that I lost the money, I ALWAYS lose the money (don't recall the last withdrawal I had), it's just that you usually at least get a possibility of winning, this was just three solid hours of 20c pays on $2 spins. I recall I had a set of 25 x $4 spins that paid 60c, in total, and yes I get that it happens, but normally there's something to make up for it, but this time, just more consistent loses. I'm pretty sure if you took the probability of getting this RTP% and reversed it to a paying odd you'd be rich.
     
  20. Jan 11, 2013
  21. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Location:
    I'm a Canucklehead
    it's a slot, it's DESIGNED to make you lose...sometimes you get lucky, more often you dont
     
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  22. Jan 11, 2013
  23. manuels58

    manuels58 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Engineering & Tech Teatching & Training, and Busin
    Location:
    Portugal

    Here's my most recent experience: I deposited 20€ with 7 Sultans a couple of days ago, to play the new slot game "The Finer Reels of Life".

    Started with the lowest 0,30€/spin (first 100 spins) and progressively increased to 1,50€/spin, with each of the 6 bonus rounds I won.
    I was able to wager a bit more than 300€ on my session and when I had 150€ in my balance I withdrew (I've had 170€):)
    I most surely would have wagered 500€ with my 20€, if I had kept on playing.

    Nothing new for me, since 7 Sultans is one of my casinos of choice.

    So, you can move to another casino and try to change your luck, but simultaneously you must also change your gambling behaviour cause you should never spend, or should I say "waste" the money you can't afford to lose.

    Maybe gambling is not just a pleasant hobby for you and you should seriously think about that.
    If you had the courage to post your (bad) experience here, why not try to get some help (here) as well?
     
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  24. Jan 11, 2013
  25. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I know that you probably meant to say, that you lose some and (maybe) win some, but here we have a guy, who gambled away the money to pay the dentist. Now in my book, that is not a good sign, and at the very least he obviously kept depositing to chase his losses.

    What you're saying is keep doing that, and you'll eventually get your money back.
    That is not going to happen!

    What WILL happen, if he believes that he'll win his money back is, that he'll dig himself deeper, trying to get back what he already lost, and next it could be the rent, that he can't pay.

    I would really urge people to not give that kind of "advice", especially to someone who is already on the slide downhill. I would much rather see people tell him to slow down, take a deep breath, and accept his losses so far, make small deposits and try to lowroll, just for the fun of gambling, or even step back, and have a good look at what he just did, and maybe consider taking a good long break.

    General advice, and rule number one in gambling: Never EVER chase your losses, it'll take you to a bad place!


     
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  26. Jan 11, 2013
  27. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

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    USA
    a few years ago before MG stopped taking US players I bitched a little to cs about zero play for my $$. To my surprise the manager tossed me a $1k bonus and I won $25K off Reel Baron.

    Blew some of it back but cashed out a good sum. So it can happen.
     
  28. Jan 11, 2013
  29. chuzzleaddict

    chuzzleaddict On a Break

    Occupation:
    Hospitality Manager
    Location:
    Second star from the right... & straight on til mo
    I worded what I meant to say rather poorly so do forgive me.

    My advice was not aimed at a person in financial trouble or someone with a gambling problem - it was aimed towards a gambler who gambles for a hobby, not for income or with any loss chasing behind it. Having a set bankroll and knowing when to stop then picking up another day (when it is affordable as part of your dedicated bankroll) can lead to a good session another time in the future, so was trying to say (if you have a healthy approach to gambling) all is not lost.
    Again I have probably worded it badly, but would like to stress that I would in no way encourage someone who may have a gambling problem or is in any financial trouble, to continue gambling, so apologies for any offence caused.
     
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  30. Jan 11, 2013
  31. LOOKAWAY

    LOOKAWAY Senior Wember PABnonaccred

    Location:
    England
    If I was your neighbor I would let you borrow my pliers... Hell I'll even pull it myself, just call me the Sultan.
     
  32. Jan 11, 2013
  33. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    You could be right. He should have maybe quit at 2 or 3 Sultans......

    Mousey is right. He's just pissed he lost his dentist money. No appointment at 2:30 for him.

    If one is at the point of blowing one's bill money/medical treatment money, one is in dire need of counselling and should stop gambling immediately.
     
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  34. Jan 11, 2013
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I have to agree with the others who have already posted - those games are ALL high variance and so your experience was by no means exceptionally bad. I kinda suspected that might be the case, which is why I asked the question in the first place.

    If you want better value for money (i.e. longer play-time but still with a good chance of a decent hit, as opposed to a mega one), play lower variance games.

    KK
     
  36. Jan 11, 2013
  37. hoff1985

    hoff1985 Meister Member mm1

    Occupation:
    IT Stuff :)
    Location:
    Switzerland
    Cheeez... Always the same discussions... Loosong streak, winning streak... All is possible!! I had 4 month of MGS without a withdrawal and the last 5-6 weeks i had about 15 withdrawals at MGS!!

    An RTP is only relevant for xxxxxx spins!! Think about that sometimes at the end of a month a slot paid 130% or only 70% and then think about how many player played that month, and then think again if your 1000 spins really matter!

    A slot is designed so that you will loose. If not, then you're lucky!! Never expect a win, or stop gambling :)
     
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  38. Jan 12, 2013
  39. frosty3907

    frosty3907 Non-Gambler

    Occupation:
    unemployed
    Location:
    Australia
    wow you were right! all I had to do was put what was left of my dentist money in today ($490) and play under $5 a spin and this time I got a whopping 32% RTP!



    I know I'm acting like a bitter jackass and a sore loser but I'm actually just glad it's over with, and I have no desire to ever gamble again.

    To those that enjoy it responsibly, well done, you're a better person than me.

    To those who are still fooling themselves just try and stop, do whatever you need to do and don't waste over a decade of your life and money on this stuff, it never gets better.

    That's all from me. Good luck to you all.

    e: apparently 7 sultans do not lock account permanently, I can't imagine any responsible reason to disallow someone the option to close their account permanently, they will "lock it indefinitely" which just means you need to contact live chat and reopen it in less than two minutes. What is the point of that at all?

    Me: I don't want to be able to re-open it

    Jack: Unfortunately we do not lock accounts permanently *****

    Jack: If you do not wish to play, then simply leave the account locked
     

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