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[silcnlayc]

because they have huge wins

Thank you Enzo for clearing that up because I was under the impression that there is this DEFINITE possibility of ONE huge win that could be had....now I am understanding it differently, where there COULD be a huge hit if it is coded into the game...but not a guarantee for one, unlike other high variance (ugh) slots...so high variance is an iffy instead of a definite..like what Rob hit... please tell me if I am understanding it right this time please?

So the "expectation" of ones huge hit is really not a true expectation when all the wheels fall into place...just a could be, maybe type thing that might NEVER happen even if all is in place like I had with the 5 keys type thing..., but an expectation from a regular slot is a TRUE expectation..that will always happen if the reels fall right?

Geezes, I hope I am making some sense here in my understanding..

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[RobWin]

no, I'm comparing your single stake to his single stake. I'm trying to explain that you can have machines that are high variant because of a pay in the front (your screenshot) and machines that are high variant because of their freespins (zaps screenshot). All 3Dice games are high variant because of the freespins hence all of the big multipliers are found there.

Maybe I missed something here but I don't recall that "Medieval Moolah" has any free spins does it? And it is listed as "High Variance" So if the high variant is not in the front of this game "Medieval Moolah"...then where...in the feature mode?

I never said 3Dice games are high variant because they have huge wins in the front .. yet now you are suggesting they're not high variant because they dont have huge wins in the front. That's correct. They're high variant because of the huge wins in freespins ..
Cheers,

Enzo

And that is also true with Slotronomicon?

Put as simple as I can put it.
- your screenshot is over 3000x betsize because of 81 multiplier
- zaps screenshot is over 3000x betsize because of freespins

Put as simple as I can put it...
- My screenshot is from a single spin
- Zaps screenshot is from 20 or more spins

Oh and please don't forget about this question...please... The one below in RED

I just want to see a screenshot of (5)Suns or (5) of the little 'Wild Dudes' in Squirrels Pike on a similar size bet to the 0.30 cents that I was betting that will show a similar size win to mine...that's all.. I mean, it is possible to hit those combinations isn't it?
A real win...not one in tourney mode please.

If that's asking too much I understand, just say so and I will let it be...

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[SlotKing]

Oh and please don't forget about this question...please... The one below in RED

I mean, it is possible to hit those combinations isn't it?


If that's asking too much I understand, just say so and I will let it be...

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Not asking for too much at all - simply read my post above.

 

[RobWin]

- asking for a 3000x + screenie on 3dice without freespins is like
- asking for a 3000x + screenie on the slot you were playing without the 81 multiplier.

so lets see it !


Cheers,

Enzo

Be careful what you ask for my friend...I might just have to show it to you!
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[RobWin]

Not asking for too much at all - simply read my post above.

I did after I had already posted...I can dig it that the fact is now clear that you cannot win these types of mega hits there at 3Dice unless you are in fact in the "Free Spin" mode but I still would like to know if it is possible to hit (5)Suns or (5) of the little 'Wild Dudes' in Squirrels Pike in real mode.

Has anyone ever made a screenshot of this? I don't recall ever seeing one but then again maybe I just missed it...
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[silcnlayc]

I said this before Rob - it's actually not possible, given the fact you had an 81x multiplier helping you out...

But isn't this hit a guaranteed high variance slot hit vs those that are being offered as high variance that have never hit yet...and might never hit?? Just trying to wrap my brain around this stuff..because when it says HIGH VARIANCE...

I would EXPECT a HUGE win...not a maybe...ya know? Especially when I spent a nice sum of money THINKING I would catch a nice huge hit , and then catching it, but now finding out it will NEVER happen is truly a disappointment..if I am thinking wrong..please straighten me out..thanks..this term "high variance' is being used so badly IMO by many...geez..

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[SlotKing]

But isn't this hit a guaranteed high variance slot hit vs those that are being offered as high variance that have never hit yet...and might never hit?? Just trying to wrap my brain around this stuff..because when it says HIGH VARIANCE...

I would EXPECT a HUGE win...not a maybe...ya know? Especially when I spent a nice sum of money THINKING I would catch a nice huge hit , and then catching it, but now finding out it will NEVER happen is truly a disappointment..if I am thinking wrong..please straighten me out..thanks..this term "high variance' is being used so badly IMO by many...geez..

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Silc -

Just because the slot is High Variance does NOT mean that when a good hit comes up, it will pay out a huge win. I have hit 5 scatters many times in real mode only to be disappointed by the actual result.

It has happened before, and it will happen again - the only trick is being in the right place at the right time - as it is with any other slot machine in the world.

 

[SlotKing]

I did after I had already posted...I can dig it that the fact is now clear that you cannot win these types of mega hits there at 3Dice unless you are in fact in the "Free Spin" mode but I still would like to know if it is possible to hit (5)Suns or (5) of the little 'Wild Dudes' in Squirrels Pike in real mode.

Has anyone ever made a screenshot of this? I don't recall ever seeing one but then again maybe I just missed it...

There have been hits of 5 suns before, as well as 5 wilds in SP - IIRC, the last time I saw 5 suns was only a couple months ago. We all know 5 tuts is doable, along with 5 butterflies, 5 disco balls, 5 clovers, etc, etc. They may have a one in a million shot of coming up, but they all do come up... and they aren't always shown by screenshot - as some people would rather keep it to themself, don't know how to take a screenshot, etc - there's a myriad of other reasons.

Everything can and does appear that is listed in the paytable - it's a question of time when.

 

[3Dice]

RobWin,

Obviously the slots that have a non freespin feature wouldn't have that RTP in the freespins but instead in the bonus. Wrong of me to assume this would be clear. I should've said feature. mea culpa.

You still seem to be trying to somehow demonstrate that 3Dice games are not high variance. Yet when looking at our games you start by saying feature doesn't count. Well if you take the feature away from the slot of your screenshot, I'm sure it pays better than 3Dice without feature. But hey - if we take of the front and keep only the feature .. the 3Dice games will win by far. Obviously you only get a fair image by looking at both.

Let us examine these screenshots shall we ?

yours features a 81x multiplier. On average this pays out 81x RTP of single spin.

zap's features a 20 x 6 freespin set. On average this pays out 120x RTP of single spin.

Furthermore, zap's feature can retrigger, opening the doors to even bigger wins. In short, with only these two screenshots to go on, the conclusion is that the 3Dice one enables higher wins ..

It doesn't matter for the variance if the win is paid in a front spin or in freespins or in bonus game. What you're saying is two guys walk blindfolded upto two slot machines. They both bet $1 and win $3000 .. yet somehow you arrive to the conclusion that one of the machines is high variance (it paid on average 81*betsize*rtp) and the other that paid the same in this case (but on average 120*betsize*rtp) that one isn't high variance cause it happened to pay it through freespins.

Cheers,

Enzo

 

[RobWin]

There have been hits of 5 suns before, as well as 5 wilds in SP - IIRC, the last time I saw 5 suns was only a couple months ago. We all know 5 tuts is doable, along with 5 butterflies, 5 disco balls, 5 clovers, etc, etc. They may have a one in a million shot of coming up, but they all do come up... and they aren't always shown by screenshot - as some people would rather keep it to themself, don't know how to take a screenshot, etc - there's a myriad of other reasons.

Everything can and does appear that is listed in the paytable - it's a question of time when.

Maybe that is the question that we should be asking here...Enzo, what are the odds of hitting (5) of the little "Wild Dudes" in Squirrels Pike? That's just a simple question with no variables attached....

1,000,000 to 1
100,000 to 1

Please keep it simple for us simple minded folk here...
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[skiny]

Another way to boost the variance of the machine is to use many freespins, frequent freespins or freespins with a high multiplier. Doing that will mean a large part of the RTP is allocated to the freespins, and so less can be allocated to the paylines in the front.

The problem is everytime I get 10 free spins, 9 of them hit zero and the other one hits 3x my original bet.

In fact on Payola, regardless of how many spins I get my total win seems to always work out to my original bet x the amount of free spins x 25%. I don't know why but no matter how many times I work it out it's always within a percent or two of that number.

What you're asking is photographic proof of how nice Angelina Jolie is but then telling us we cant submit any pictures that feature boobs or lips

If you have these pictures I will let you post them. Honest.

 

[zap987]

Actually my screenshot is over 3000x on that single freespin as the middle symbol on the 2nd reel is a wild. I was playing 5 lines 5 coins and that line paid $900 which in itself is 3600x bet.

 

[LaurieJim]

It seems like all the games go in hot and cold spells to me, i have hit Tut features 3 times in a row as well as other high variance games and have gone long spells where i couldnt hit one feature on Industria after many deposits, i guess its all up to that " Lady Luck Beotch" but that could be said for most casinos in the past 6 months or so imo.......laurie

 

[RobWin]

Believe me here peeps when I tell you that I do understand "The Exponential Function" as will always be the case with these 3Dice threads here as you can see in the example below...

The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to 3Dice For This Useful Post:
lauriejim (Today), missmichelle (Today), Pinababy69 (Today), zap987 (Today)

And that's all ok, I can dig it and am also very cool with it, but I would still like for Enzo to tell us all the odds of hitting (5) of the little "Wild Dudes" in the Squirrel Pike game..
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[denamoutz]

not sure the odds of hitting all 5 wilds, but babs reporting live just hit all 5 of them not to long ago!!!

 

[KasinoKing]

Am I the only one reading this thread thinking "What the hell...?"

Rob, you were playing a 3-reel slot - you just can't compare that to a 5-reel slot IMO.
But the most important thing of all is what were the ODDS of hitting your big win?
I have no idea what it is - but I would imagine it must be at the absolute least a 10,000 to 1 shot, possibly much higher.
Now, what are the odds of getting the free-spins on King Tut? Once in 158 spins.

Obviosly your 'jackpot' win is going to be massively higher than the average return from Tut's free-spins. But you're not going to hit it every time you play 200-300 spins on that that slot are you?

That would be like me saying I hit the Jackpot on Spring Break therefore it is higher variance than ANY of 3Dice's slots.
The fact is though, that my jackpot win was a 1 in 3.9 million shot!
I'm not likely to ever hit that again in my lifetime!

Sorry my friend, but you are way off the mark with your reasoning on this one.

KK

 

[LaHutti]

Am I the only one reading this thread thinking "What the hell...?"

KK

Nah, you're not the only one

 

[silcnlayc]

I now understand that "high variance" does not mean huge hit..
High variance means ..we will keep more of your money and if by chance you hit the best possible combination there is to hit, do not expect the best possible payout on it even though you invested lots of money to get that once in a miracle hit...

Because someone , somewhere might just maybe get it and it might not be you even if you do hit the right combo, but we need you to continue feeding us your money, and even though you DO hit the right combination of a once in a blue moon hit and not get paid for it...so keep depositng so we can cover whoever is lucky enough to maybe hit that huge hit...when the machine goes on the fritz and mistakenly gives the illusive pot away...hmmm

Variance = more for the casino, less for player...what a great strategy! and great marketing! To imply (not actually come out and say) that there is a big payday at the end of the tunnel for the right combination and tons of deposits. NOT!

Give me a guarateed huge hit..not one of these maybes when the right combo is it..that is so wrong in so many ways..IMO

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[LaHutti]

I fully understand your dissapointment silc, but if hitting the bonus round in any of the high variance games was a guarantee for a huge win, the bonus rounds COULD only hit once in a blue moon, and noone would want to play the games. Actually they hit quite often, hence they can't pay huge every time, or even every 10th time. The huge one, you'll see once in a blue moon
Same as Scary Rich for example....you hit the bonus round, and get all excited, and leave with sh*tty $3.45 99 times out of a hundred, but the thrill is, that some day, you'll ... maybe ... hit the big one.
Either you love high variance games, or you hate'em.

And again .... with Moolah, I'll 10 times rather see the suns, than the bonus round

 

[silcnlayc]

LaHutti:Actually they hit quite often

No they don't..how often do you see 5 of a kind at the so called casino of high variance that guarantee a SET payout?

You cannot hit 5 expanding at Scary Rich with the expanding reels during bonus...so the expectation isn't there when you hit the bonus round..

I thought the ULTIMATE goal is to hit those 5 keys..or 5 butterflies or 5 of any bonus trigger that will multiply your win and that is the GOAL for the big payout, which is a very seldom and almost impossible hit... that was what was being put out IMO...so hitting those...your expectation for a HUGE hit from all the claims of variance is there...because they TRIGGER the big hit ..

Not so on Scary Rich or the others because 5 wolves gives you NOTHING upfront...just a chance at the bonus round..and this is a KNOWN thing..You cannot hit 5 expanding wilds either and that is another KNOWN thing...and you have anywhere from 10-13 chances (spins) of catching a few GOOD ones there...that will add up to a nice tiday sum with another chance at a retrigger..where those 5 of a kind is a ONE shot deal..that usually gives the worst payout possible after hitting them...

I'll 10 times rather see the suns, than the bonus round

I agree now, that I am understanding it better...but to claim high variance ...to me it means it will cost you an arm and a leg to be eligible for a hit or miss kind of thing....and that is NOT right...just don't say ANYTHING...about the slots..geez...because saying this gives the IMPRESSION it will give you a huge hit for the right combo on the FIRST hit to get to the bonus round..

Just so darn bad...this variance stuff...(ugh!)

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[LaHutti]

lol...I didn't say 5 keys hit often .. I said the bonus rounds hit quite often, and the rules are the same whether you hit 3 - 4 - or 5 keys... from a lower to a higher amount. The road to the highest amount is shorter, and all amounts are higher all the way down, if you hit 5. That's the only "guarantee" you have
You do have to take ALL bonus rounds into account tho, when you talk about the variance. 3 keys are hit more often, ofcourse, and with some halfshitty to nice wins, and they all count. You're not guaranteed the $1728 when you hit 3 keys either, but you CAN get that.
If you hit the suns, THEN you can talk about expectation, and it WILL be filled 100%.
Fortune Falls does not guarantee you X1600 if you hit 5 butterflies, Because if you had that gurantee, 5 butterflies would probably hit 1/year, instead of ... I dunno .. 1/month, and would be more like a "jackpot hit". (I don't know how often they hit, but I've seen quite a few screenies, and hit them myself as well, unfortunately at low bet ).
Bottom line really is, that that's how the games are designed, to keep them interesting to a lot of players, because of the occasional hit of 5 butterflies or whatever, and evethough you don't hit the "biggie" the prize is worth it. It's all about keeping people interested, by letting them see, that 5 is not impossible, and "maybe" next time...

 

[RobWin]

Am I the only one reading this thread thinking "What the hell...?"

Why would you think that KK?

Rob, you were playing a 3-reel slot - you just can't compare that to a 5-reel slot IMO.KK

OK, so lets compare it to one of the 3-reel "High Variance" slots there at 3Dice then....is that one ok with you guys..

Can't wait to hear the feedback on this one now...lol

Oh gosh darnit, I just remembered that the win I posted was the third (3rd) one down the paytable from the top pay too, so there really may not even be a slot there at 3Dice to compare to this one I posted!

You gotta love these 3Dice threads...
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[LaHutti]

You gotta love these 3Dice threads...
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If nothing else, they're always long

 

[RobWin]

If nothing else, they're always long

True, and like the "Marketing Gurus" state, the only bad press is "No Press"...so you know Enzo has to love these threads and the google effect they all have..

Hell, I would too though if I ran 3Dice...
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[LaHutti]

I don't know why we're not on his payroll, whether we're pro or anti ...lol