3dice, reddice, and my personal opinion

Hi Kelly Jo,

While I really don't see the point in having this discussion in public, (seems more like pm material to me), I'll indulge ..



The answer to all is no. Both Curacao and Belgium licenses require corporate ownership and to answer the follow up question, no I don't own any of those companies either.



In Belgium, it is not the operator but the gambling commission that decides whether or not a player is allowed to signup and/or play. (it is called the EPIS system, players get checked by the government server on each login).



Must be an oversight - we've just switched to a whole new platform - I'll have it looked into. Feel free to contact curacao e-gaming to verify that in the mean time.



uhm not sure what you are talking about .. there's a clear link to true odds in the about section. (
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Oh that dates back at least 5 years. At some point we had a problem with some shady affiliates that tried to use the 3Dice chat to promote their brands.



That's normal operation. It has to do with risk assessment, processor specific requirements, and our choice (unlike most other operators) to disable deposits instead of delaying withdraws. (when we accept your deposit - we guarantee a smooth withdraw).

If you have any further questions, I'll happily answer them in pm. (I have some myself - for example what have we done to justify such an agressive original post? - or how have I ever blown smoke? - or what would make you a happy player?)

Enzo

@Enzo - So just as i thought would be the case the research i done and posted here has been ignored and not even a single reply to any of the research i did expose at this shady place?

So will you be answering any of the points i made?

Why is reddice allowing players outside of Belgian to play their?

The fact you say that you do not own all those casinos as kelly jo asked is baffling to me. I was sure that you was the owner of 3dice. So your now saying you dont even own them?

So whos was that name i came across when i was doing research that is linked to the Danmar Investment group?

And also this dome casino outfit as well doesnt make any sense. So there is other casinos in the Danmar Investment group as well? The dome casino website was not found gave me an error, but i found there was a german casino called dome casino but that was a land based joint.

So I would appreciate it if you could actually respond to my posts i made and answer all my points individually like you did with kelly jo's post please!?!?

Thanks

researcher
 
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@Enzo - So just as i thought would be the case the research i done and posted here has been ignored and not even a single reply to any of the research i did expose at this shady place?

"Researcher",

I don't see why I should respond to a post that is clearly just an attempted attack at 3Dice, has no real questions, is aggressive, and made by someone who for some reason didn't want to use his regular CM account.

So will you be answering any of the points i made?
I already have, in fact many in the very post you quoted.
Why is reddice allowing players outside of Belgian to play their?
As posted above - it takes about 5 minutes of actual research to find out that in Belgium it is the gambling commission itself and not the operator that makes that decision. (the operator sends ID info to a server of the commission that then grants a player token - or not).
The fact you say that you do not own all those casinos as kelly jo asked is baffling to me. I was sure that you was the owner of 3dice. So your now saying you dont even own them?
well, you were wrong.
So whos was that name i came across when i was doing research that is linked to the Danmar Investment group?
I'm sure the director of Danmar Investment group is publicly listed.
And also this dome casino outfit as well doesnt make any sense. So there is other casinos in the Danmar Investment group as well? The dome casino website was not found gave me an error, but i found there was a german casino called dome casino but that was a land based joint.
That was the working title of 3Dice but never used publicly. That must be some very outdated info you have btw - haven't heard that in well over a decade.
So I would appreciate it if you could actually respond to my posts i made and answer all my points individually like you did with kelly jo's post please!?!?

Thanks

researcher

I would appreciate some answers to - with this thread in America the beautiful, it is not visible to a guest visitor. That in turn means you've read it using your normal CM account before you created this new account. So why would you not post this on your regular account ? (I also believe that that is against CM policies).

Enzo
 
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I actually find this whole thing quite offensive and for what reason? I do not play at 3Dice that often but have had an account since day 1, I have always been paid promptly and completely trust them, UIGEA changed the face of online gaming for most of the operators, especially US facing, there were and still is lots of smoke.

Maybe a poll should be created for the so called "shady" casino on who has not been paid there rightful winnings from 3Dice and maybe Max can pipe up on how many PABs were not satisfactorily resolved, I would be willing to bet those numbers are very low if any.
 
Hi Kelly Jo,

While I really don't see the point in having this discussion in public, (seems more like pm material to me), I'll indulge ..



The answer to all is no. Both Curacao and Belgium licenses require corporate ownership and to answer the follow up question, no I don't own any of those companies either.



In Belgium, it is not the operator but the gambling commission that decides whether or not a player is allowed to signup and/or play. (it is called the EPIS system, players get checked by the government server on each login).



Must be an oversight - we've just switched to a whole new platform - I'll have it looked into. Feel free to contact curacao e-gaming to verify that in the mean time.



uhm not sure what you are talking about .. there's a clear link to true odds in the about section. (
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
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Oh that dates back at least 5 years. At some point we had a problem with some shady affiliates that tried to use the 3Dice chat to promote their brands.



That's normal operation. It has to do with risk assessment, processor specific requirements, and our choice (unlike most other operators) to disable deposits instead of delaying withdraws. (when we accept your deposit - we guarantee a smooth withdraw).

If you have any further questions, I'll happily answer them in pm. (I have some myself - for example what have we done to justify such an agressive original post? - or how have I ever blown smoke? - or what would make you a happy player?)

Enzo

You could sell a ketchup Popsicle in hell to a woman wearing white but you can not handle the complexity of an "and/or" inquiry. Your habit of redirecting with vague or incomplete responses and the reliably condescending sign off gets old. I do agree with you, though. This is beyond my personal knowledge base and experience. In the spirt of humility and higher learning, I will simply defer to the professionals.

Edit: I read your reply to my post in an email notification and did not see the edit until I posted my response. I appreciate your closing remark edit.
 
You could sell a ketchup Popsicle in hell to a woman wearing white but you can not handle the complexity of an "and/or" inquiry. Your habit of redirecting with vague or incomplete responses and the reliably condescending sign off gets old.

Hmm vague as in telling someone who just tried to answer all your questions that he missed something but not specifying what ? And condescending ? As in calling someone a snake oil salesman simply because he answers your questions ? Or more condescending and vague as in calling a casino shady and using swear words on a public forum, and then backing out when asked to substantiate ?

I wouldn't want to appear to be any of those things - I'll try to work on that.

Enzo.
 
hi all

first i dont play at 3dice at all (may have givin them a spin yrs ago when they were on the accredited list) but i was just reading this post,

im not sure where its goin i mean a couple of the you have posted loads of questions and from what ive read all of them have been answered pretty thoroughly,

to me its looking pretty much more like a grudge, unless im missing something but anyway just my 2 penny's worth.
 
Hmm vague as in telling someone who just tried to answer all your questions that he missed something but not specifying what ? And condescending ? As in calling someone a snake oil salesman simply because he answers your questions ? Or more condescending and vague as in calling a casino shady and using swear words on a public forum, and then backing out when asked to substantiate ?

I wouldn't want to appear to be any of those things - I'll try to work on that.

Enzo.

You did answer with regard to ownership. You did no respond specifically to the question of operations.

I never said shady.

I said _|_ you! It is not swearing. It is symbolism. It is direct and to the point. Nothing condescending about that.
 
My only input is it's a bummer there's no other ways for me to deposit outside of bitcoin, so even tho I joined up sadly I probably won't be back, I'm just not into bitcoin and that scene at all.
 
This is all silliness, IMO. I love 3Dice and their support team, and the games, but I treat my relationship with them as a one-night stand. You walk in, do your business, and go home, end of story. Unless you both get something of value from the relationship, then you hook up again. Rinse repeat.

I get the notion of trust, but I've been playing there on and off for years, and have NEVER had a complaint that related to any violation of trust. The games are fair, I have good runs and bad runs, and I always get paid and more promptly than anywhere else.

I'm not sure what else there is to say here really. I don't understand what specifically is the dispute, as nothing about the accusations is a set of circumstances which are unique to 3Dice...? :confused:
 
Kelly Jo, this post was truly uncalled for. You and your WWF tag-team buddy "researcher" tried to
blatantly attack 3Dice/Enzo and their ethics on a public forum and got outmaneuvered by Enzo's deep intellect
and professionalism.

Look at how many "likes" or "thanks" you received versus Enzo's posts. It's pretty clear that 3Dice has a strong
following and has never burnt any of their players.

Enzo's question still remains.. What has he or 3Dice done lately to you personally to deserve this type of harsh
and unprofessional treatment?
 
I just wanted to say i have now shown which side i am on by giving the thanks and likes and i can tell you 100% i am on 3dices side. They are an awesome establishment.

And i rest my case. Kudos to Enzo for his great posts :)

P.S: Can't wait for the ISS and new slot coming soon :) :) :) :) :)
 
Enzo's question still remains.. What has he or 3Dice done lately to you personally to deserve this type of harsh
and unprofessional treatment?

No, X-raided. MY questions still remain. They haven't been answered. Do you read what is posted or do you simply make judgments according to the number of likes a post receives?
 
No, X-raided. MY questions still remain. They haven't been answered. Do you read what is posted or do you simply make judgments according to the number of likes a post receives?

Enzo told you that if you had any further questions you could send him a pm.
I suggest you do that. The rest of us isn't that interested. Besides in this world of casinos you should have learned by now that it's a matter of trust. If you don't feel you can trust a place, then simply don't play there. No need to try and tarnish their reputation.

You've done your best to make them look like bad guys, for what reason I don't know. You did not succeed.
I hope you feel better soon, and happy belated birthday:thumbsup:
 
Actually, your hate-filled questions appear to have been answered..

I'm 100% satisfied with Enzo's explanations and have yet to see anyone but you and
"researcher" question Enzo's responses/integrity.

The people who thought they knew you on 3Dice chat are questioning where this
viciousness arose from. Some say that it's an "I lost" rant and some are questioning your
mental stability.

My advice is to publicly apologize for the hardcore flaming and attempted name tarnishing
of 3Dice on CM. 3Dice is NOT losing any support. Players simply don't care about your sleuthing
bologna.
 
I just wanted to say i have now shown which side i am on by giving the thanks and likes and i can tell you 100% i am on 3dices side. They are an awesome establishment.

And i rest my case. Kudos to Enzo for his great posts :)

P.S: Can't wait for the ISS and new slot coming soon :) :) :) :) :)

You JUST said you weren't going to post on threads I posted in. I STARTED this thread. SMH.

If I were Enzo, you'd be the last person I'd want to take it upon themselves to act as an advocate. I'm not Enzo, obviously. I AM,however, a gambler and I'd bet the farm that you were "researcher."
 
Actually, your hate-filled questions appear to have been answered..

Validate that.


These are my "hate filled questions."

Do you own and/or operate reddice.be?
Do you own and/or operate Panache?
Do you own and/or operate 3dice.com?
Do you own and'or operate panache.be?

If your answer is yes to any of these questions, can you say that you are unequivocally following Belgian Gaming laws?

Why is the gaming license for 3dice not linked with the Curacao Validation site?
Why did the link to the True Odds web site disappear days after the transition?
Why do you have a portion in the chat rules dedicated to the topic of shills?
Why did you provide payment processing options to some players, and none to others in the last year and a half?

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He skipped over the question of operations.

He stated it was an oversight on the link to the license? Has that been remedied? Where is the license? Can we just get this over with. It's over TWO years now that I'v been waiting for this simple request to see a valid license.

The link did disappear for the TrueOdds site. If it is back, that is reassuring.

I accept his answer with regard to shills. It sounds reasonable enough.

You are okay with his statement that it is standard to select a few players to receive payment processing services while the majority of the players do not?
That's a funny way to say "highrollers are my preferred processor."
 
You are okay with his statement that it is standard to select a few players to receive payment processing services while the majority of the players do not?
That's a funny way to say "highrollers are my preferred processor."

Big spenders get VIP treatment.. just like in any brick and mortar casino. :rolleyes:

Kelly Jo, just give it a rest girl. Either be the 47 year old that you are and apologize like a grown up
and let it rest, or just let it rest without an apology, move on and ask a moderator that this thread be closed.

Be smart about this.
 
Big spenders get VIP treatment.. just like in any brick and mortar casino. :rolleyes:

Kelly Jo, just give it a rest girl. Either be the 46 year old that you are and apologize like a grown up
and let it rest, or just let it rest without an apology, move on and ask a moderator that this thread be closed.

Be smart about this.

Payment processors are required to operate a casino. When did this become a VIP perk? I'm not sure why you feel the need to advise me to give it a rest. I simply responded to your post. I hadn't re-visited this thread until you and DreamRJ addressed me. I'm 48 by the way.
 
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, get over yourself!
1 I dont care if you like me. 2 I dont care if you like me!

1 I dont care if you like me. 2 I dont care if you like me!

Same thing I told you when I got your nuts ,stalker,crazy private message on 3 dice! Now I bet YOU will respond with some stupid thing, saying I am somehow a kiss butt, or have connections or ties to 3dice. 1, if you dont like a casino........................DONT GO THERE! 2 If you dont like a casino...........DONT GO THERE! Its really simple. YOU Kelly make it a DRAMA! Get a life away from GAMBLING! I feel sorry for you hun!

Same thing I told you when I got your nuts ,stalker,crazy private message on 3 dice! Now I bet YOU will respond with some stupid thing, saying I am somehow a kiss butt, or have connections or ties to 3dice. 1, if you dont like a casino........................DONT GO THERE! 2 If you dont like a casino...........DONT GO THERE! Its really simple. YOU Kelly make it a DRAMA! Get a life away from GAMBLING! I feel sorry for you hun!
Here will come a 5 paragraph rant, she cant control herself!
 
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Here will come a 5 paragraph rant, she cant control herself!
Please control yourself, and don't harass your fellow members. Any further violations of the forum rules will be dealt with accordingly. Thank you.

Thread closed until I finish reading this.
 
_|_ you, Enzo. _|_ you and the smoke you've blown up our collective asses. _|_ you and your sensitive nature at being called out over that ridiculous excuse for a timer and the numerous other coding issues that plague the "new" platform. _|_ you for the Janky VIP changes. _|_ you!

C'mon - really? Did you have to resort to flaming? When you bring in the insults, it pretty much negates your argument. "_|_" means eff you IMO, and that is not only uncool, but violates our community rules on flaming and harassing one another. You are a valued member here and I would not have expected this from you. Infraction received.

As for the rest, I enjoy in-depth research just like the next Joe, but when people resort to making assumptions and accusations from it, then that is not cool either.

This is online gambling. Most companies, especially the smaller operations, do not want the public to know who they are not because of something nefarious, but because they want to protect themselves (and their families) from disgruntled angry losers. Some operators fear for their employees well-being and security. It's hard to run an operation when receiving threats from players. I am sure Enzo can confirm this - I know most operators can - Max and I have received the same sort of threats. So there are times that real names aren't used etc. That's nothing to get riled over about.

I want to remind everyone that we need to watch the accusations and finger pointing. Thanks!
 
C'mon - really? Did you have to resort to flaming? When you bring in the insults, it pretty much negates your argument. "_|_" means eff you IMO, and that is not only uncool, but violates our community rules on flaming and harassing one another. You are a valued member here and I would not have expected this from you. Infraction received.

As for the rest, I enjoy in-depth research just like the next Joe, but when people resort to making assumptions and accusations from it, then that is not cool either.

This is online gambling. Most companies, especially the smaller operations, do not want the public to know who they are not because of something nefarious, but because they want to protect themselves (and their families) from disgruntled angry losers. Some operators fear for their employees well-being and security. It's hard to run an operation when receiving threats from players. I am sure Enzo can confirm this - I know most operators can - Max and I have received the same sort of threats. So there are times that real names aren't used etc. That's nothing to get riled over about.

I want to remind everyone that we need to watch the accusations and finger pointing. Thanks!

I earned that one, because that was my intended message. The personal nature of the relationship between 3Dice players and staff has a way of making, I'll speak for myself, an individual more emotional and reactionary when issues arise. For that, I apologize. If it negates the validity of the questions I put forth then that is on me. That is a real shame because the fact remains that basic information with regard to valid licensing, payment processors, and even a possible conflict between two separate licensing jurisdictions are specifics that everyone should be concerned with.
 
I earned that one, because that was my intended message. The personal nature of the relationship between 3Dice players and staff has a way of making, I'll speak for myself, an individual more emotional and reactionary when issues arise. For that, I apologize. If it negates the validity of the questions I put forth then that is on me. That is a real shame because the fact remains that basic information with regard to valid licensing, payment processors, and even a possible conflict between two separate licensing jurisdictions are specifics that everyone should be concerned with.

I must say I personally make decisions on where I spend my money on ease of access to such basic information.
 
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