3Dice Pretty Awful

Kimsterfl

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Are we now discussing lemons or a good dry cleaning service? :D

Enough said about this topic.
 

rainmaker

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Two things I don't like.

Players who are complaining about not winning and therefore suggest that the casino is rigged in a bad/rouge way. Don't like loosing? Stop gambling or use another casino.

Players who are seeing gambling as investments. Those who are expecting a stable return should probably keep their funds in a bank. In finance, the investor can expect a return on investment (ROI). In gambling, the player can only expect to have some fun.

If players only staked what they could afford, then we would not have all those who complains without having a case. I think that many people are gambling because they need to win, not because it would be nice to win. As an advice (again), don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose.
 
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RedAndi

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However, I can see how someone who dislikes 3Dice could become uncomfortable with all the facts being discussed that show 3Dice in a positive light.

Or, on the flip side someone who likes it could become "uncomfortable" with facts being discussed that show them in a negative light.

I do find it kind of odd, sometimes people take criticism of 3D like it is a living, breathing, entity and needs it's honor defended by a good knight :eek2:.
3D is OK by me, I like reading both sides, I think silc (I think was silc) was just posting opinions didn't see them as slams at all.
 

GGW Laurie

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3 Dice has excellent customer service, that is true and no one is saying different.

On a personal note, I had a cashout awhile back and was overpaid by 3 Dice, as I had played at several places and had some cashouts and reversed a couple, I didnt think much of it and even got on chat and we looked at my 3 Dice transcript and all was ok. i recieved a nice email from Anna much later that said a mistake was made, could have happened to anyone, no fault on either side.

I was really upset as I had made some withdrawals and paid on some much needed bills that had piled up since Jims death, I was told to pay back as I could, slow pay if you call it.

How many casinos would have done this, showed compassion ? Most would have locked the account. A gambling debt is a debt owed and they will get paid and know this , given they know me as a decent person and player.

I just wanted to say thank you to 3 Dice for being so understanding and allowing me to repay a debt at my own pace, for this they have my upmost respect as a casino.

When my life style was much better in the past, I played and won and played and lost a bundle, but it was I who made the deposits and knew they were high variance games whilst playing.

We all have our opinion of 3 Dice. mine is a love / hate as far as the games go but a love one as far as the Customer service goes, this is where they shine as a casino.


Laurie
 

rainmaker

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3 Dice has excellent customer service, that is true and no one is saying different.

On a personal note, I had a cashout awhile back and was overpaid by 3 Dice, as I had played at several places and had some cashouts and reversed a couple, I didnt think much of it and even got on chat and we looked at my 3 Dice transcript and all was ok. i recieved a nice email from Anna much later that said a mistake was made, could have happened to anyone, no fault on either side.

I was really upset as I had made some withdrawals and paid on some much needed bills that had piled up since Jims death, I was told to pay back as I could, slow pay if you call it.

How many casinos would have done this, showed compassion ? Most would have locked the account. A gambling debt is a debt owed and they will get paid and know this , given they know me as a decent person and player.

I just wanted to say thank you to 3 Dice for being so understanding and allowing me to repay a debt at my own pace, for this they have my upmost respect as a casino.

When my life style was much better in the past, I played and won and played and lost a bundle, but it was I who made the deposits and knew they were high variance games whilst playing.

We all have our opinion of 3 Dice. mine is a love / hate as far as the games go but a love one as far as the Customer service goes, this is where they shine as a casino.


Laurie

That was a really nice post. Thanks for telling a personal story.

"I was told to pay back as I could"...I am speechless:)

I have nominated your post because It reflects how people should act towards one another. It is easy to forget that the casinos only contains the individuals who work there, and that each player is only an individual with the problems life brings.

I don't say we all shall love each other, but your post pointed out the importance of compassion
 
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rockycatt

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wins have to be based on amount of deposits if they werent the casino could go broke in a week. If they were based on total random it would never work .It maybe random but before it pays out a certain amount there has to be deposits or casinos would go broke fast. Software companys arent that stupid. And where did i get facts i know a computer technician that works on them . He said there based on total deposits then randomly the machines pay out.

with respect you should know plenty of casino's go broke , they usually wind up in the rogue pit :) there not there for making huge profits :notworthy
 

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I love it...keep taking the cheap potshots....:lolup:

Cheap shots beget cheap shots.

Sure are a few who are delivering the goods but can't take it..

>Don't say anything about the 3 Dice games and you'll be fine. Don't share
>your opinion, viewpoint, or experiences and you'll be fine.

It seems to me that the reverse is actually happening here. Our viewpoints which are refuting claims of broken games, and discussing the unique aspect of this brand is REALLY irritating you, to the point of this type of derogatory/sarcastic/pointless remark. Or was that just your opinion?

Only one particular post with allegations was rejected by me. Allegations with an asterisk at the bottom are still allegations, you can't have it both ways. All the rest of the responses, which includes all the other negative posts that DON'T have embedded personal conspiracies, have been welcomed and thanked where appropriate. I completely appreciate the random forum user coming across this thread and getting ALL the information there is, not just one side.

Like I said, the funny part seems to be that our posts showing the best sides of this brand really abuse you somehow. Your post added no information and was just a cheap shot to satisfy your complete disdain for OUR OPINIONS. I somehow feel I woke up a few days ago, and this website has become a good ol' boy clique of people who are willing to throw good standing companies under the bus just because they couldn't handle their gambling or didn't do enough research before they deposited.

We're armed with a lot of facts here, and a lot of stories from a variety of very reputable people. We're quite relaxed as we're trotting out the facts, and having a good laugh at watching the abused writhe in their own agony. Whilst this is a community, it is in fact a community of gamblers, which of course means there's going to be some big personalities to deal with. That's the way it goes.

We've really tried to keep this civil, but unfortunately people who want to embed false information inside of civility often have to be flushed out, and it ain't pretty. I fully take into account all the posts where people stated disappointments with said casino when I say, IMO, this has been a really great discussion. It's maintained just enough relevant information and dignity to not have needed to have any moderator interference - yet. :D

- Keith
 

jod5413

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I saw this thread and immediately thought, Shit, another 3Dice thread with people hitting each other with the proverbial bat, trying to be the first to draw blood.

Silc, I really respect you, you know that. But, I think you have to give up on posting about 3Dice unless you like this tension. Although a bunch of folks here might agree with you, completely or partially, you will never convince others who like 3Dice to entertain the fact that you have a valid position for them to investigate. They will have no problem trying to "shout" others down and go after you for your thoughts.

De_ Gambla, I was happy to see you back posting after a long absence, since I remembered you as a great poster/member, not a "go straight to the throat" poster. Reading this thread with your posts today makes me think I did not have a true memory of your posting. You seem disrespectful and snotty (one step further than snarky :p) toward fellow Casinomeister members.

Nifty, you have become more and more snarky (in a bad way) the last 6 months or so. Why have you become so jaded and bull-headed? You have my respect but I am confused by your change of attitude and demeanor. You must know that people don't all have the same perceptions, yes?

I am not trying to be a moderator here, just hate to see people I like and respect going at each other. There are plenty bad guys (rogue and not recommended) to go after so can't you guys focus on getting their bad behavior published here for new members to see.
 

DarkMage

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Actually funny enough I fired off a email to 3dice in December of 2008 asking my RTP % on Blackjack and I got a email back saying they forwarded it to the Finance team but communication from that point was cut off for whatever reason and I never ended up following up probably because I had uninstalled the casino after losing 20 out of 21 hands.

I sent another email a few mins ago asking the same question and will see if I can finally get a answer, it would put my mind to rest about 3dice if the number matches what I kept records of.

:cool:



Also I ask a question to any of the forum members here, does anyone exclusively play the table and card games at 3dice and manage to have realistic results?
 

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Nifty, you have become more and more snarky (in a bad way) the last 6 months or so. Why have you become so jaded and bull-headed? You have my respect but I am confused by your change of attitude and demeanor. You must know that people don't all have the same perceptions, yes?

Jaded and bull-headed? Well maybe a little jaded, but I take exception at the bull-headed part - it suggests I don't listen and refuse to change my opinion at any time or apologise when I get it wrong. You know this is not the case.

As for jaded.....

When I first joined CM I was ill-informed and not really interested in becoming otherwise. I just jumped on every thread where a casino was being dumped on and said "Yeah they're all cheating scum". I also supported every player who had a grievance with similar fervor, without regard to the facts of the case. In my view, it was "us vs them" and that was that. I often complained about losing, and showed contempt for those who tried to explain that it had more to do with me than it did with the casino.

After several instances of being sucked in by scammers and frauds disguised as 'aggrieved players', and reading more from Bryan, Max, Simmo, and a few other senior members, I began to rethink my attitudes and make an effort to learn about the facts behind these games and operators where I was spending my cash. I learnt about things such as variance, RTP, bankroll management and game selection just to name a few. It opened up a whole new way of thinking for me, as up until then I didn't know what a cashout was and kept ploughing all my cash into games expecting to win more and more and expecting 'it has to hit soon etc'.

So, without going through it year by year, fast forward to the present and I now have little tolerance for a) frauds/scammers, b) spammers, c) rogue operators, and d) those who take every opportunity to dump on casino/s when they lose and refuse to consider the facts about the activity they are undertaking i.e. gambling. I have all the time in the world for a member (like Canadaman99 the OP) for example, who started off being fairly upset about a casino but was willing to accept that there are things they could do to improve their situation by educating themselves, and taking advice from more experienced members. What I don't have time for is members taking swipes at respected operators based on nothing more than they lost - IMO it shows a lack of maturity and a lack of respect for Bryan and his site.

Sorry, but I'm not going to sit back and watch one of the best operations in the industry get slammed and have their honesty and integrity called into question....just the same as I wouldn't remain silent if one of my friends or someone I very much respected was subjected to the same treatment. On the flip side, you will also find that if I uncover any evidence of dishonesty etc coming from a casino (accredited or not) I will be the first in line to say "please explain" - if you remember I was the one who brought the impending Lock Casino debacle to the memberships' attention, even though days earlier I had been singing their praises. It's called forming an opinion based on the facts, and being able to re-assess that view when the facts change.

I respect you and your opinion Jod as you know, but I just wanted to comment on this:

you will never convince others who like 3Dice to entertain the fact that you have a valid position for them to investigate. They will have no problem trying to "shout" others down and go after you for your thoughts.

I think we have a different idea of what constitutes a 'valid position', and also at what point a 'thought' becomes an accusation/insinuation.

If a member takes a position that says a casinos' payouts aren't fair or as stated, and that the games are deliberately rigged or 'broken', and refuses to provide even the smallest piece of evidence or data to support that position, or won't even submit a complaint to the casino or to Max (via PAB) to have these issues investigated then IMO that position is invalid. I don't know about you, but if I thought for a minute I was being ripped off by dodgy games I wouldn't be able to get to the PAB page quick enough.

In addition, that position is not an thought/opinion - it is an accusation/insinuation. Once you call the integrity of a person or operator into question, it crosses the line from 'thought' to something quite different, and if you are going to cross that line, you better bring some facts with you or, as you said, other members will "shout you down" - and rightly so IMO.

Anyhoo, back to the action......
 

unhappy

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with respect you should know plenty of casino's go broke , they usually wind up in the rogue pit :) there not there for making huge profits :notworthy

Casinos basically only go broke if players dont play there its as simple as that. A thriving casino with lots of players playing payout its as simple as that and a casino that has very little players pays very little its as simple as that on the average . Im not sure what you mean that there not there to make huge profits I would say on the contrary .Casinos are there to make huge profits.
 

Jasminebed

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I'm a 3Dice player

Those who know me from 3Dice, and those who read what I post know I'm a 3Dice player.

Almost every time there's a 3Dice thread I feel like I need to come and apologize to those who don't have the same happy experience.

Please understand that happy experience does not mean I'm ahead. It's usually my first choice for a deposit because they are so fast paying, and therefore my deposits are larger overall.

Both past two years I've been ahead at 32Red, but was largely down to two lucky hits. 32Red is a stellar act, and I love the MG games. This is not a choice for US players.

I feel that I do okay with Playtech also. Other players seem to have luck with RTG, but not me (so far, I retain some hope).

3Dice publishes a Zeitgeist, an upto date return on the slots. If you look at it, slot returns for the past few months range around 96%. There's around another 2.5% in non game RTP. That probably includes loyalty and the comps players get for bad sessions, and possibly the tournaments.

The three years I've been at this forum, never have I seen a 3Dice didn't pay me thread.

I'd love to see 3Dice's slot stable bigger. Give them time, it's grown since I joined.

I have a better time losing at 3Dice than breaking even at other places. And I'm getting tired of defending my choice of how I spend my discretionary funds. I don't criticize your picks from the CM accredited bunch.
 

blonde

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First of all it's gambling, you can't win them all by no means. I play at a lot of casinos, well used to, and 3 Dice has them beat by a long shot. I have never cashed out from there yet, but give me time I will.

The customer support team actually gives a hoot about their players, and to me this is a big plus in my book.

They offer tournies for their depositing and non-depositing players as well as chat games, and other games to give the players all the chances in the world if they can't deposit.

There are some times when my play time is very short, but I just say to myself oh well I will get them next time. Now if I deposit and play over and over again and don't really win anything, then I march my happy little azz to customer support and ask them what my payout ratio is and they are more than happy to give me a comp or something for me being on that not so lucky streak.

I'm not sticking up for 3 dice by no means just giving my experience and my opinion on things. GL to you where ever you decide to play.
 

Da_Gambla

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De_ Gambla, I was happy to see you back posting after a long absence, since I remembered you as a great poster/member, not a "go straight to the throat" poster. Reading this thread with your posts today makes me think I did not have a true memory of your posting. You seem disrespectful and snotty (one step further than snarky :p) toward fellow Casinomeister members.

I apologize. I get busy and sometimes when I post, I just cut to the chase and it can appear snarky. Snotty works, too. That's ok. I never signed up here in 2007 to be involved in a popularity contest, and didn't come back for one. I like good discussions and better debates. I believe the outcomes of both of those situations furthers my understanding of many things, and adds to my wisdom when needed to apply to the next situation I'm faced with. I'm a student of life, and have made peace knowing I will die not ever knowing it all. At whatever capacity I am currently at, that's what I bring into that current discussion.

Go straight to the throat? I think people coming into this thread late are kind of losing where it was, versus where it is now. I'm ok with it if someone skims through 2 days of posts and labels me the bad guy, the instigator. I can take you by the hand and walk you through the actual chronological progression, but I doubt that would do much for you now.

My first response to this thread had no one's throat in my grasp. The poster I responded to seemed to indicate that losing several bonus rounds made her uncomfortable due to the fact that she had played through several hundred. I explained that the slot she was playing did not know how much she played through, or what her current balance was.

Then she said that based on that and other losing streaks she encountered, she was willing to label this casino as 'unfair' in regards to return. I stated that when you gamble, you cannot expect a return. 'Unfair' is an opinion, but in gambling forums, that term has a little more tabasco sauce on it than in most other situations. I wanted to make clear that we weren't actually crossing the line into fraud.

Then, revisiting the slot machine issue, I took exception to her saying she swears the machine was broken. She even stated:

>8 lowballs BACK TO BACK is enough for me to move
>on for a while until they fix it

I read that whole post several times over multiple hours before it caused me to respond. As each hour passed, I kept asking myself more questions, like, if I thought for a second a machine was broken, and lost even $5 on it, wouldn't I report that? Wouldn't you? Would you really just say "oh, I'll come back in the future when they've fixed it.."? What would then be the motive to embed that into a thread started by a disappointed poster?

What would have happened if Silc started a new thread that said: "3Dice unfair payouts and broken games - avoid"?

Of course she wouldn't do that... she took the cheaper route and embedded the exact same thing into someone else's thread, an inside slider right up around the chin.

I believe I responded with great patience, taking into account she might not really know what was going on (since I do not know her, this is a probable outcome). She complained about people who speak about RTP, etc., so I took the time to explain what that meant, and why it's valid when discussing these issues.

IMO, if that thread was left without a response to her, someone coming a doing a search on 3Dice to consider a deposit might read that, and think "hmm... unfair payouts. broken software. yeah, like I need those problems. onto the next candidate", and that's just simply not fair to 3Dice.

That's why I originally responded. I thought she was confused about some aspects of gaming, and it was apparent she was mad at 3Dice and wanted to hit them in the form of waving off a potential customer. I don't believe my membership here allows me to just walk away and go "oh well, 3Dice's problem now".

Her response to my response is where some definite fur was getting stuck in her throat, and she started generalizing everything in her first post. She even says (LoL):

>Not personal at all and nothing against 3Dice

HUH?! :eek:

So here we are now, except she's packed up her marbles and gone home, and that's fine. As others have come forward to contribute their experiences, no one has been made to feel their opinion wasn't welcome.

Don't know you jod. Would like to, but it won't kill me if I never do. Your opinion of me, unfortunately, cannot ever dictate how I post. I fly solo and avoid clique situations that might pressure me to perform one way or another to please the crowd. I would fail that. I have friends IRL and family, my life is blessed. Being the 'likeable' chap on an internet forum is just not that high on my list of priorities.

I will submit again, besides one post containing allegations in it, ALL of the other posts have had their say without any brow beating. There have been a few who have dropped by to tell US that our opinion of liking 3Dice isn't real welcome. That's where we're at. Don't do it, now... don't misquote me and say I'm playing victim now.. I actually like being in the defensive position. Armed with so many facts, it doesn't really take much effort to defend ones self against BS.

I have nothing against you, why would I? If you have something against me, then we will move forward with situation intact.

- Keith
 

Da_Gambla

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When I first joined CM I was ill-informed and not really interested in becoming otherwise. I just jumped on every thread where a casino was being dumped on and said "Yeah they're all cheating scum". I also supported every player who had a grievance with similar fervor, without regard to the facts of the case. In my view, it was "us vs them" and that was that. I often complained about losing, and showed contempt for those who tried to explain that it had more to do with me than it did with the casino.

After several instances of being sucked in by scammers and frauds disguised as 'aggrieved players', and reading more from Bryan, Max, Simmo, and a few other senior members, I began to rethink my attitudes and make an effort to learn about the facts behind these games and operators where I was spending my cash. I learnt about things such as variance, RTP, bankroll management and game selection just to name a few. It opened up a whole new way of thinking for me [.. and the rest of it ..]

This originally started out as a PM to you. Please forgive me if you disagree with my decision to post it publicly instead. I feel sometimes things of the heart and mind are valid public testaments. And besides, you started it... :p

Welcome to the next level! I am always thrilled when someone stops to fix some bugs in their software, or just generally do an upgrade and re-boot! So many people live out there whole lives with just one set of programming, never to allow it to be upgraded, or even be flexible for that matter.

It's a great feeling, isn't it? You want to share that new clarity within yourself, it's so liberating. But alas, you haven't achieved super hero status, and never will, so you just go back to working towards the next level.

Doing an introspective can sometimes be as ugly as it is scary. Realizing your weaknesses, and owning them, usually causes most people to just issue the re-boot without making any changes. You faced those weaknesses. You sought knowledge. You opened your mind, but most of all, you really wanted the answers to those weaknesses. The answers are never free, they require very hard work, attention, and the ability to become a student again. Therefore, the process you went through is only available to someone who is truly honest with themselves on what they hope to achieve (and being realistic about it).

So look at you now. A sheep free of the herd. :thumbsup:

As you are now aware of, your upgrade will place you squarely in front of more conflicts, and that is so because your mind is better equipped now to deal with those conflicts. You will not shy away or fall back on escape mechanisms. You will stand and fight where you once ran or played dead. You will stand for something even if it's not popular, because your wisdom now decides what your opinions are, not your environment or peer group. Each time you upgrade, it is easier and faster to learn, and to retain the information to the next level.

Many years ago, I stood on that cliff and looked out over the horizon. I accepted the same challenge you did, and it was intoxicating. I have never regretted accepting that challenge. Who cares what it does for your gambling, it has changed your humanity.

Your response to jod was so full of confidence. There wasn't a split second of doubt about the way you felt you wanted to respond. You have a clarity, a calmness, and a purpose that cannot be denied now. Other's attempts to push your buttons or derail your focus will be met with a solid brick wall of your determination. These are the qualities that people who rise to any occasion possess. You can relate to how calmly Captain Sullenberger landed that A320 on the Hudson river with 155 souls in his grasp. If I may quote him:

"One way of looking at this might be that for 42 years, I've been making small, regular deposits in this bank of experience: education and training. And on January 15 the balance was sufficient so that I could make a very large withdrawal."

Those around you IRL are lucky to know you and benefit from your persistence in better understanding your world around you, and questioning everything. Never stop doing that.

Peace,
- Keith
 

ksech

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I tried 3Dice a long time ago, found it just wasn't my cuppa tea. The chat confused me and I had problems playing some of the games (new vid card now though so they should be better).

I'm sure if I went back and gave it an honest attempt, I'd probably find I like the games. I've contemplated re-entering the online gaming world (when I can figure out how I would be able to receive winnings if I get that lucky), and I think 3Dice may be on the list of "give-it-a-go-again".

I'm angry I can't play the new games (and some of the older games) at the US facing MG casinos (has anyone figured out WHO they belong to? *sorry for the slight derail*) And the only RTG I would go back to is Intertops (but the issue of withdrawing is still lingering).

I wish the US would get their heads out of their a$$, so we can go back to playing where WE want to, instead of having to be dictated by choices of "inferior" gaming places.

I think when all is said and done (sometime in the next millinium :rolleyes:), even some of the accredited casinos will fall by the wayside due to some of the "unscrupulous" tactics they've enlisted to "make themsleves" better for the player/playing experience.

As hard as I try, I can't seem to get my head around all of the "technical" jargon of RTP, RNG, etc. I've tipped my head to the left and to the right and short of standing on my head, it still makes no sense to me. Reminds me of when I was in college trying to "work" through Cobol and Fortran, it didn't take no matter how I turned the page.

So, to get back on subject matter, I think players often get frustrated easier when they see deposits flushing down the toilet in super flush mode. There've been a great many threads lately, about how this casino or that casino is rigged, they're scammers, bad CSR, slow paying, etc... Very seldom is there a thread exulting/expounding on the positive aspects of a casino. It's a choice the player has to make, either you love it or you don't. No one can make the choice for you... If you don't like the game play you're getting, change to a different platform or simply don't play at all...
 

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Is it 'balanced' to think that once a casino/poker site makes the accredited list, that they're automatically admitted into a safe zone where they cannot be questioned for anything that could be perceived as putting them in a negative light?



Are we really pushing the envelope when we think that the 'accredited' casinos don't need to improve, that it's the rogues that need to improve? We already know that the rogues have very little desire to be good, clean, and fair, so we should continue to focus our attention on those operations? That's the way to go? Focus on rogue casinos, rogue players, and glorify the 'accredited' list. Is that what makes a 'balanced' and 'well-informed' member? Getting validated by the elite, for all of their wisdom, makes a person 'credible'?



The online casino industry - on a macro-level - is pretty much as rogue as it can be. Are there good casinos out there? Sure. But only a small percentage of them warrant a passing grade, and only a small percentage of those could be considered cream-of-the-crop.



Why am I saying what everyone already knows? Simply because I have a hard time understanding why a 'balanced'/'knowledgeable'/'highly informed' member, after years of studying the way the industry works, would act as though the players are the ones who are rogue. That a casino that makes a list, should be above criticism, is absolutely asinine.



It's easy to say that this is a 'fact' and that isn't. So, anytime a casino tells us something as 'fact', we must assume that their word is gold. That it's the absolute truth?



Have we learned nothing about the world around us? That there are so many ways to play with the numbers, and we see it all of the time with big corporations/financial institutions providing the public with 'facts' that aren't really 'facts'. But a finely tuned member can conclude that a player and their experience is nothing more than an illusion, and nothing factual? We should take an unregulated industry and all of the information that they present to the public seriously, even when legalized entities/governmental organizations in this day and age - that are being monitored - aren't being taken seriously? I have a very hard time understanding that line of thinking.



Not all of the players who oppose a list should be automatically viewed as being rogue. You can't start a process of finding out what's wrong, by starting with 'okay, something smells fishy, what did the player do wrong' and be taken as someone who's being unbiased, fair and balanced.



Going from one end of the spectrum, and going to the other one, is extreme, because there's no middle ground. Where's the grey area? Where is there room to be flexible?



Am I to assume that just because a casino/poker site is on the list, it's the best option out there? I happen to think that PokerStars and FullTilt are the best poker sites out there, they're not on the list, but I know that they are really good, so does that make me wrong and ill-informed for going there? Am I a rogue member for liking something that didn't make the cut?



Even with the casinos that are 'accredited', they're still a casino. It's beyond me why people wouldn't expect complaints, at a website which focuses on the gambling industry. In a perfect world, in the eyes of those who own and operate the industry, of course they would want players who slap money down, lose, and talk about what an awesome experience that was! That's not reality.



Casinos don't sell you on the idea that you're going to lose, and you have to accept that there's a house edge. The idea that is presented to you, is that you could get lucky and win, just like such and such did today, and she did yesterday. Fine. But how is one to feel, when they've been depositing at the same casino for months/years, and haven't made a single withdrawal? And not just because they didn't have good 'bankroll management', because in a lot of cases, people go on extended runs where they can't even buy a sizable win, and they can't even get much more than a small percentage over their starting balance. I'm sure that's happened to almost everyone at some point in time.



Did those players feel that they had an opportunity to win? Probably not. Are they going to be upset about it? Of course. But hey, they'll (CS) be quick to point out that you're sure to win soon enough. And they'll direct you to link showing who others ARE winning. Isn't it human nature to question our experience? Or are we NOT supposed to question anything, and simply take everything presented to us, by the casinos, as fact? Facts from an industry (by and large a rogue one at that), that's built on taking people's money. It goes against most people's way of thinking.



The end result is that casinos are the winners (provided that they run things correctly), a hard reality for many to accept, but they shouldn't be elevated to a point as being more sincere and truthful than the people who play at them.



Note: This post isn't about 3dice





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well I apolgoize for calling 3dices blackjack unfair

BlackJack_Classic bets: 13676 average wager: 2.50$ RTP: 98.02%

I had calculated 95.9% but I did not calculate every session(maybe 90%):rolleyes:

It is still lower then my play at B&M blackjack which was 99.2% last yr and I average around 98.5% at RTG when I request it once a year.
 

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Johnsteed, I must commend you on the excellent post!

Service and support are a MUST in any competitve environment but it's sad that quick payouts and smiley faces are being substituted for the actual reason we gamble - To WIN sometimes (well at least).

Winners and losers, will always be there. When you deposit and lose over and over again you start to question the odds of it happening. Many of us here are seasoned players, playing for years and years. We know the probabilities of winning and losing. Do i really need to accept 4-5 months of constant deposits and losses as 'Variance'? The other side of Variance never seems to play in your favour. Players are disillusioned - When you eventually win 10% of your total deposits back and it is paid quickly, they sing praises to a Casino:what:

Lets face it, this industry is about entertainment and winning for us... nothing better than the thrill of a great run or win. For Casinos, it's purely about PROFIT. Poor regulation and Poor returns are ignored - But TOP Service or quick payouts - Get an award from many players. Has the industry really come to this? We fight tooth and nail to 'Win' and when the Casino pays us in an acceptable time frame or puts smiley faces up when we cash out, we believe the sun is shining bright in the industry. Take a step back and a LONG hard look at your results, then smile if you are happy with them.

Im not insinuating anything against 3Dice or any other Casino here. I am merely highlighting where it seems the priorities lie with players these days. Im not a programmer and I cannot and will not state that anything is unfair.... Personal experience comes at a cost gambling online, but it never lies.

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Johnsteed, I must commend you on the excellent post!

Service and support are a MUST in any competitve environment but it's sad that quick payouts and smiley faces are being substituted for the actual reason we gamble - To WIN sometimes (well at least).

Winners and losers, will always be there. When you deposit and lose over and over again you start to question the odds of it happening. Many of us here are seasoned players, playing for years and years. We know the probabilities of winning and losing. Do i really need to accept 4-5 months of constant deposits and losses as 'Variance'? The other side of Variance never seems to play in your favour. Players are disillusioned - When you eventually win 10% of your total deposits back and it is paid quickly, they sing praises to a Casino:what:

Lets face it, this industry is about entertainment and winning for us... nothing better than the thrill of a great run or win. For Casinos, it's purely about PROFIT. Poor regulation and Poor returns are ignored - But TOP Service or quick payouts - Get an award from many players. Has the industry really come to this? We fight tooth and nail to 'Win' and when the Casino pays us in an acceptable time frame or puts smiley faces up when we cash out, we believe the sun is shining bright in the industry. Take a step back and a LONG hard look at your results, then smile if you are happy with them.

Im not insinuating anything against 3Dice or any other Casino here. I am merely highlighting where it seems the priorities lie with players these days. Im not a programmer and I cannot and will not state that anything is unfair.... Personal experience comes at a cost gambling online, but it never lies.

Nate

The priorities of the players? Well, funny you bring that up, because several years ago, the players complained about a LOT of things that this casino fixed and made better. They responded to the call, and players started to deposit and become loyal. I'm sure someone can explain to me how this was bad for the player base or the industry? I'm not getting it.

Jasmine responded by saying that they post their returns on slots. If there is a return, then someone is winning, right? DarkMage posted that his analysis of BJ showed a fair game, so obviously people can win there. People have posted that they have won, people have posted they lost. This all seems normal to me...?

We understand the gambler that cannot accept losses that he doesn't think 'add up' right in his mind, based on what he's used to seeing. That's not really proof of anything other than he should probably go back to whatever he was doing before and leave this one alone. No one in this thread (that I've seen so far) has encouraged anyone to make more deposits to a casino they aren't having any luck at.

What some hard-core net gamblers are having a hard time understanding is that there ARE people who view the entertainment and environment as factor that MIGHT actually be greater than the actual gambling. That fact might make your brain hurt, you might even call those people foolish against the way you view gambling, but not only do they exist, the way they view this is valid to them.

So yeah... people have been on these forums screaming about bad/rude customer service, late payments, delayed payments, no payments, one casino that looks just like the rest (only a few trusted platforms), etc. 3Dice made all those problems go away, added some things that were completely unexpected, and people ARE winning there (that's fact, not opinion). This is just a complete fail on my part to understand the problem...

- Keith
 

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The priorities of the players? Well, funny you bring that up, because several years ago, the players complained about a LOT of things that this casino fixed and made better. They responded to the call, and players started to deposit and become loyal. I'm sure someone can explain to me how this was bad for the player base or the industry? I'm not getting it.

Jasmine responded by saying that they post their returns on slots. If there is a return, then someone is winning, right? DarkMage posted that his analysis of BJ showed a fair game, so obviously people can win there. People have posted that they have won, people have posted they lost. This all seems normal to me...?

We understand the gambler that cannot accept losses that he doesn't think 'add up' right in his mind, based on what he's used to seeing. That's not really proof of anything other than he should probably go back to whatever he was doing before and leave this one alone. No one in this thread (that I've seen so far) has encouraged anyone to make more deposits to a casino they aren't having any luck at.

What some hard-core net gamblers are having a hard time understanding is that there ARE people who view the entertainment and environment as factor that MIGHT actually be greater than the actual gambling. That fact might make your brain hurt, you might even call those people foolish against the way you view gambling, but not only do they exist, the way they view this is valid to them.

So yeah... people have been on these forums screaming about bad/rude customer service, late payments, delayed payments, no payments, one casino that looks just like the rest (only a few trusted platforms), etc. 3Dice made all those problems go away, added some things that were completely unexpected, and people ARE winning there (that's fact, not opinion). This is just a complete fail on my part to understand the problem...

- Keith

It’s obvious to me that your posts reflect a particular bias towards 3Dice.... I can't argue that, it's YOUR experience and I’m glad it was a positive one. I happened to see your posts in the screen shot sections and noted that you've had some decent hits there - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/5-scatter-5-wilds-screenshots.14243/ refers. WTG - Nice to see winners - Love looking at the screenshots.

You feel that it is necessary to change the attitude or opinions of those who have had experiences of their own on this software platform to a more relaxed mindset and exclude any questions that may arise.

My post was not directed at 3dice - I, like many others here share my personal opinion and experiences because for me they are FACT. What somebody tells me or leads me to believe is not FACT. I state my experiences as FACT because I have first hand experience.

Nobody ever disputes the positive direction that some of these casinos have taken in 'upping their game' - Fast withdrawals (the few they have to make), Great CS and considerate management make for a successful product. I appreciate the step up and have noted which casinos are on top of their game.

My view may differ from yours and you are obviously entitled to your opinion. My personal view is that I will give praise where its due but my curiosity gets the better of me when a lot of people opt to have great service and fast withdrawals over good returns. I’m not saying they should change their mindset nor am I complaining about the increased service and revised withdrawal periods. It was merely an observation...

There are many Casinos on the Accredited list that in my personal opinion have very decent withdrawal times, great CS and Good returns. I do not get your point and why you are trying to defend 3Dice when people state their personal opinions. I have not said the casino is rigged or cheats. I believe their returns are inferior to what I (yes ME) experienced on other software platforms. I don't expect somebody to reply as if its a crime to post a negative experience or insinuate that I do not know the first thing about gambling because I have the mindset to stop and look deeper into why losses are so repetitive in certain places. I have an account at 3Dice and play there 'For Entertainment' - Tourneys and the odd deposit. Like KasinoKing expects to LOSE every time he plays there, I do too. I did not state that NOBODY is winning at 3Dice, so your statement telling me there are winners is like telling me potatoes exist.

Please Dude... If you feel the need to defend 3dice for whatever reason and go against 'those who dare question', go ahead.... it doesn't really make a difference to my perception or experiences.

Your comment:

We understand the gambler that cannot accept losses that he doesn't think 'add up' right in his mind, based on what he's used to seeing. That's not really proof of anything other than he should probably go back to whatever he was doing before and leave this one alone.

Is at the very least derogatory to many of us on here. Don't class or dismiss people because they question or care to share their experiences.

Johnsteed has summarised this BEAUTIFULLY:

'''....That a casino that makes a list, should be above criticism, is absolutely asinine.

"It's easy to say that this is a 'fact' and that isn't. So, anytime a casino tells us something as 'fact', we must assume that their word is gold. That it's the absolute truth?"

"....Isn't it human nature to question our experience? Or are we NOT supposed to question anything, and simply take everything presented to us, by the casinos, as fact? Facts from an industry (by and large a rogue one at that), that's built on taking people's money. It goes against most people's way of thinking"


Nobody is questioning anyone’s or any casinos integrity - Nobody should be subject to posting POSITIVE experiences only.

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[.. all complete rubbish ..]

I never said any of those things you are attributing to me. Not a single one. I clearly pointed out that we understand where you are coming from, and I clearly said no one is trying to change your mind (asking you to deposit). I suggested you go back to what was working for you. How is this trying to change you?

None of our responses back here have been designed to change anyone's mind about ANYTHING.

You are careful not to name 3Dice, so that if I do, you can call me out. Well, here goes: 3Dice

Good? You see, this thread is ABOUT 3Dice.

I see you decided to go off on a rant to me, that's cool. I'll just wipe that off my shin and move on with life. You are a rather poor debater if you have to invent content like that mess. You have dishonored your team. Try again.

- Keith
 

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You are a rather poor debater if you have to invent content like that mess. You have dishonored your team. Try again.
- Keith

If that's your opinion, so be it. I don't need to air my opinion of you and will leave it at that. ;)

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You are careful not to name 3Dice, so that if I do, you can call me out. Well, here goes: 3Dice

Good? You see, this thread is ABOUT 3Dice.

- Keith

3Dice is tighter than a duck's ass, IMO.

Enzo is buying white truffles in Belgium with your
deposits you lost playing the Tut slot.
These (tight) :::Cough, high variance slots are filling up
his Armani Exchange jean pockets with the quickness.

I'd rather eat shit while watching Pee-Wee's playhouse
than deposit and play Payola or....... Slotranomicon

Andrea is hot though.
 

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