3Dice Pretty Awful

[CANADAMAN99]

I have to say that I am pretty dissapointed at my experience with 3Dice.

Very poor features when they actually do hit, most are between 2-10 bucks when betting .75 a spin. Very long times in between features. I cannot for the life of me believe why this casino has made casino of the year. Very very dissapointed in my experience here.

I found most wins in game were in the realm of .08 -.50 no matter what game. Tons and tons of spins and I would say I played enough to give a fair review.

Very dissaponited in you guys 3Dice, I was absolutely expecting more.

 

[rainmaker]

If you take a look in the "winner"-section, you will see that many people have had some great hits at 3dice (some REALLY great hits). So I don`t think that everybody will agree with you

 

[Diane]

I have to say that I am pretty dissapointed at my experience with 3Dice.

Very poor features when they actually do hit, most are between 2-10 bucks when betting .75 a spin. Very long times in between features. I cannot for the life of me believe why this casino has made casino of the year. Very very dissapointed in my experience here.

I found most wins in game were in the realm of .08 -.50 no matter what game. Tons and tons of spins and I would say I played enough to give a fair review.

Very dissaponited in you guys 3Dice, I was absolutely expecting more.

My experience was the absolute opposite after I gave them a second try..... First time I tried 3Dice I didn't like the choice of the limited games available and I couldn't win a darn thing.

Then after the 2010 CM awards came out, I was tempted to give them another try. I *love* Enigma. I have won/cashed out at least 6 times in the past 7-8 days from the site. Nothing huge, but steady wins most every time I log on and play. If it wouldn't have been for the CM awards thing, I probably wouldn't have gone back. But I am very glad I did.

Take a break. Then give Enigma a try for small stakes and see how you do.

IMO

Diane

 

[CANADAMAN99]

My experience was the absolute opposite after I gave them a second try..... First time I tried 3Dice I didn't like the choice of the limited games available and I couldn't win a darn thing.

Then after the 2010 CM awards came out, I was tempted to give them another try. I *love* Enigma. I have won/cashed out at least 6 times in the past 7-8 days from the site. Nothing huge, but steady wins most every time I log on and play. If it wouldn't have been for the CM awards thing, I probably wouldn't have gone back. But I am very glad I did.

Take a break. Then give Enigma a try for small stakes and see how you do.

IMO

Diane

Will do,. I think your onto something as far as the limited game selection is concerned, I think thats one thing that has kind of bothered me. Its like I play one game for a while then go to move to another only to find out that I was just playing that game.

I really like their customer service but for example the game that has the yin-yang symbols or whatever took me nearly 500 spins to complete the pyramid. After all those spins I was so releived that I had finally hit the feature. The feature was something like 12 free games at x4 multiplier. Guess how much the feature was for?????? $3.40. That is absolutely PATHETIC for a game that took so long for the feature to hit.

I did hit a $300 hit right when I started but aside from that there wasnt much for me to speak of as far as wins for playing many many spins. I swear it seemed like everytime I lowered my bet within the next severl spins the feature would hit.

I trust these guys however and that much may be enough for me to give them another go. We'll see.

 

[CANADAMAN99]

Gave that game a try and here's my results so far on .50 spins:

3 Bonus games of the wheel:

All 3 were minimum possible win

3 bonus games of free spins:

1 for $19.00 which was excellent!

2 for under $1

That's the kind of results Ive seen here.

 

[jod5413]

CANADAMAN99, it seems like people either love 3Dice or hate them. I play there on rare occasion, hit a little here and there, even cashed out once, I think.

There are lots of Casinomeister accredited casinos you can play on if 3Dice is not your cuppa tea. Better luck next time!

 

[Da_Gambla]

I've become quite familiar with their casino. I can say that it appears they took an overall approach to a gaming site, with just enough of everything to give you a good casino feel. In other words, they don't specialize in just slots, and that being the way it is, you tend to need to go in and find the one you're comfortable with. A lot of us are getting good ROI at Fortune Falls (med variance). If you hit a good session (which for me is literally 8 of 10), you can play a LONG time with very little draw down. This allows you to stay alive to SEE the features. I've never gone 500 spins to see the lowest feature (3, 5 or 7 at 2x), it's more like avg maybe 50. I've also had features hit back-to-back (well, within a small amount of spins, from 2 spins to maybe 5).

The medium feature (20, 25 or 30 at 4x), which is activated with 4 scatters, can be upgraded from a 3 scatter. I've had that several times, as well as a native 4 scatter to start. Then again, the top prize (400x, 600x, 800x? and 1600x bet) can be upgraded from the medium level, or accessed with 5 scatters.

You can, and I have done it TWICE now, get to the highest level from the lowest (3 scatter) starting point. It's really nice! Screenshot posted in the 5 scatter thread.

The point of this again is, they don't have 100's of slots to choose from. Only 2 or 3 of each variance level. The mediums seem to keep your money working, and you just don't watch it drain. Please make sure you have enough to stay alive! $50 isn't going to cut it... the video slots are all custom made, and all have excellent graphics, animations, and sounds.

Me like. A lot

Combine that with you're doing business with the best in the business, and well, it's just nice knowing that if you won, you'd get your money. With smiles. That removes a lot of stress so you can concentrate on the fun.

- Keith

 

[silcnlayc]

CANADAMAN99: The feature was something like 12 free games at x4 multiplier. Guess how much the feature was for?????? $3.40. That is absolutely PATHETIC for a game that took so long for the feature to hit.

This is where I have issues with casinos that feel a $300 investment with a return of $2.30 for a bonus/free spin round is fair. Sure it's fair, even great, for the casino!!...figure out the percentage of their take with that. I know some will come in guns blasting but you know what...the truth hurts..3Dice is an excellent SEVICE casino..but fair in payouts...hmmmm...

Let me see..I have been playing the dragon game the last few times I fooled around in there and I can swear to this..their slot is broken..why? Well, when you get the same exact result 8 times in a row..back to back on the bonus round. when there are an additional 5 other positions it can hit and those 8 hits were on the LOWEST payout..um..where is the random in that when you KNOW just what you will be getting before the cannon ball even falls?? How many bonus rounds will it take to have it drop on a different rung?? Welll...8 lowballs BACK TO BACK is enough for me to move on for a while until they fix it ...those keys are hard to catch as it is and then to get shorted 8 times...not my cup of tea...

Yes...it is a great chat casino with great reps and all..but the third part is missing and that is a decent game...You will find one winner in thousands..that sing their praises..and you will have some come in with a bunch of garbage about RTP, variances etc to justify the losses one has and I guess to make themselves feel better about the losses...well..when the RTP, and variance favors those certain few to the detriment of MANY..there is the other problem..

Getting 2 bucks for a bonus round after spending $300 to get there is a bunch of garbage IMO...PERIOD....someone justify that...PppPpfFffTtt...you cant....

Jod5413: There are lots of Casinomeister accredited casinos you can play on if 3Dice is not your cuppa tea. Better luck next time!

Yep...you definitely need to mix it up to find the niche your happy with...dabble in the ones that are interesting but move on and test other waters as Jod said..and what many of us have done..


***This is just my opinion....it is not an exact science or a fact...just my experience...have a nice day...
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[Da_Gambla]

Wow.. there's just a lot of inaccuracies in this post, and I feel some corrections are in order. Nothing personal...

This is where I have issues with casinos that feel a $300 investment with a return of $2.30 for a bonus/free spin round is fair. Sure it's fair, even great, for the casino!!

What?!

A return of $2.30 on a $300 investment would literally mean you wagered $300 on that one spin, which of course isn't possible.

Is your `$300 investment` your working balance? A slot machine has no idea what your balance is, nor does it pay according to your balance. Your return of whatever amount is based on the pay line times your wager, PERIOD.

I've had many features on Fortune Falls pay ZERO.. nada, nil, zip, and it makes me laugh on the times that happens. In those cases, I would have been happy for $2.30, but those times are extremely rare. I've also had a 3 spin 2x (the lowest feature possible) pay several hundred on just one pay line. You'd agree that was lucky, but the point is, it's called gambling for a reason... you're going to see many sides of the coin.

...figure out the percentage of their take with that. I know some will come in guns blasting but you know what...the truth hurts..3Dice is an excellent SEVICE casino..but fair in payouts...hmmmm...

What I said above had nothing to with 3Dice in particular, although I am using one of their slots to use as an example. There is no casino in business currently that is there to PAY YOU. It's a form of entertainment with a chance of maybe winning something. If everyone won, even a little bit, casinos would go out of business.

If you expect to deposit $300 and walk out with $500, that's unrealistic. If you do, you got lucky and won, congratulate yourself. The only way a casino can stay in business is if the majority of people LOSE a portion of their deposit. I'm simply discussing how long that deposit can WORK for you, and would never assume that at the end of your deposit, you deserve a RETURN on it. You had entertainment, you paid for it. Part of that entertainment is the possibility of hitting something that will actually provide a return, but a return isn't OWED to you, and again, if everyone got a return on their deposit, it wouldn't be called gambling, it'd be called investing. If you want an expected return, you should be in the stock market, not internet casinos!

Let me see..I have been playing the dragon game the last few times I fooled around in there and I can swear to this..their slot is broken..why? Well, when you get the same exact result 8 times in a row..back to back on the bonus round. when there are an additional 5 other positions it can hit and those 8 hits were on the LOWEST payout..um..where is the random in that when you KNOW just what you will be getting before the cannon ball even falls??

A broken slot because you didn't win much on a feature?? :lolsign:

I played that slot because Bryan listed it as a favorite in another thread. I didn't care for it. Gave it 500 spins, moved on. I'll be the first to admit that 500 spins is NOT a fair judge, but when you have a couple other slots that you feel are doing you well, you'll be impatient with a new one. Guilty as charged.

Again, this has nothing to do with 3Dice but the examples and game titles. This happens in every casino, internet or land based. One person can have what they feel is a great session, and the other person watch several hundred just drain. Again.. it's called gambling.

I keep bringing this up because your post seems very personal against 3Dice, when in fact, the conditions you are speaking of occur at every casino on most every game. Some have luck, others don't. The majority doesn't, it's designed that way. The casino has to make money in order to pay the lucky ones and show the company a profit... it's gambling. :: sigh ::

[.. snipped portions ..]Yes...it is a great chat casino with great reps and all..but the third part is missing and that is a decent game...You will find one winner in thousands..that sing their praises..and you will have some come in with a bunch of garbage about RTP, variances etc to justify the losses one has and I guess to make themselves feel better about the losses...well..when the RTP, and variance favors those certain few to the detriment of MANY..there is the other problem..

Sure glad you ended you post with this:

***This is just my opinion....it is not an exact science or a fact

That's the most accurate thing you've said in your entire post.

There is little else that sets casinos apart from each other, other than trust, environment, and service. We can discuss things like RTP and machine variance because those are things that can actually be gauged. Jackpots are random, and cannot. RTP for any slot is how fast or slow your allotted funds is erased, and therefore, how many expected spins you can survive for, as all slots are built to erase your funds eventually (this is not unique to 3Dice, lol... it's.. wait for it... GAMBLING).

Variance is basically an effect on RTP versus jackpot/feature payouts. Generally speaking, low and medium variance machines will pay more small prizes (which raises RTP and keeps you spinning), but jackpots and features will pay a little or a LOT less. In plain English, it doesn't swing wildly. Higher variance machines often will pay LESS smaller prizes (hence reducing RTP), but the jackpots and features will pay more. Plain English there dictates, WOO HOO! Roller coaster, baby!

I'm not sure if you grasp these concepts, and that's why you get angry when we who do, discuss them. They are very real and very valid to bring into any slot discussion. Notice I am not mentioning casino... this is how slots work, industry-wide.

Getting 2 bucks for a bonus round after spending $300 to get there is a bunch of garbage IMO...PERIOD....someone justify that...PppPpfFffTtt...you cant.... [.. and on and on..]

Read above. A slot has no idea what your balance is. It only knows what your wager was, and therefore will calculate your payline accordingly. It's completely absurd to make anyone think slot wheels will land on anything in particular based on your account balance, or how much overall you've dumped in personally. Please read the various Roulette threads here to understand, a slot machine is a random device until it is ready to pay a jackpot. It therefore has no memory of previous spins, and cannot have anything against you, personally. It doesn't care whether you played $3 or $300 when you ask for another spin.

You have gotten fairly personal with 3Dice here, which is entirely unfair. If you didn't have luck there, we can accept that, there are many places to choose from. But to post something derogatory towards their actual games is absurd at best. Their games pay out when they are supposed to, and their variance seems fairly valid.

>You will find one winner in thousands..that sing their praises

Again, very happy you signed off with `this isn't scientific `, because that's an understatement.

As far as 3Dice is concerned, obviously I would have no idea how many 1 winner there is per how many other players, but it's helluva lot lower than one thousand! This isn't unique to 3Dice, this IS GAMBLING, and this is true for every casino. Not everyone can win. Not even a LOT of people can win. SOME people win, and that varies from one day to the next what that actual number is.

Lots of people come to this forum and complain about a casino if they don't win. That says more about them than the casino.

3Dice is a class act. Their games work just like all the others. You might win, you might lose. It's gambling. You are not owed a return.

***While I have expressed some opinions, I have also tried to provide some real FACTS to this discussion. I am not an affiliate for 3Dice, or ANY other casino or gaming entity. I am an individual player who has no bias other than good service and trustworthiness, which will always be a HUGE plus in this industry many years from now. You have a great day too! And better luck!

 

[Deeplay]

Again another 3dice thread but with some good points raised. Ya either love or hate 3dice there is no in between it seems. Quite a few of their slots are high varience. And they are open about this. Tuts example can kill you in minutes. And its not a casino where you can easily low roll in my view.

However they do try hard to give a very good product but you just got to be carfull with the bank roll. I have had some mega hits on 3d and at other times can hit nowt nadda! But I know the risk by now before I deposit. As for the new dragon game I only played it 1 time and got the feature which did pay me around 350£ but i wont play it again as I can not for the life of me dont know why they have a slot that can half your win at the end of the fs. If I did play and got a bit hit for it then to be cut in half at the end I would be gutted so i avoid this one.

Thing is with 3dice big wins can come out of no where instantly. Yesterday was hammering the deposits then bang hit on Payola stacks of re triggers on the fs and then hit cashout. Processed within minutes to my neteller. You either roll with the punches at 3dice or its not a casino for you.

 

[KasinoKing]

***While I have expressed some opinions, I have also tried to provide some real FACTS to this discussion. I am not an affiliate for 3Dice, or ANY other casino or gaming entity. I am an individual player who has no bias other than good service and trustworthiness, which will always be a HUGE plus in this industry many years from now. You have a great day too! And better luck!

<Extract>

Excellent post (all of it) Da_Gamba!
I don't like 3Dice much either; I love their games, but they don't love me
Every time I play there I expect to lose, and I'm usually right!
But I trust them 100% to be offering fair games and everything in your post is spot on.

KK

 

[3Dice]

Hi CANADAMAN99,

First off, thanks for giving 3Dice a try. I realize it is always a leap of faith for a player to try a new casino - and when the games are all new to you - that does not make it any easier.

Part of the problem ofcourse is that ones experience is influenced more than a little by the amount of luck - and alas - that is just the one thing we do not have under control.

As a gambler we all know bad luck is always an option, but when you are familiar with the games, you can pick the games and betsize that most closely allign to your expectations. I think most 3Dice players agree that this knowledge of the games is imperative to get the most out of your play.

This is also one of the reasons we launched our VIP tournament system. Especially when you are new to 3Dice - even if tournament play at other platforms is not your thing - it is a good idea to participate in a couple of the VIP tournaments. As a depositing player - you can enter all of them for free (new one starting every hour) - and each month there are players winning hundreds of dollars in prizes. They are the perfect risk-free and fun way to get to know our games and learn to appreciate the specifics of our games.

Your deposit at 3Dice will grant you access to those tournaments for a couple of weeks - it would be a shame not to take up on this opportunity. It's also the perfect time to watch - or participate - a bit in the 3Dice chatroom, I cannot begin to tell you how valuable the knowledge and experience of all other players you find there can be to get the most out of your own 3Dice experience.

Last but not least - word on the street is that we have a pretty good support department - did you contact any of our reps in chat after your first session ? We do understand how a first time experience feels if you have bad luck and it would not be the first time that we offer players a second go (added with for example the advice that $1 spins on tut on a $50 bankroll (example numbers) - is really a mud or gold scenario - with the odds being favored for mud.). Please let me know your account # and I will be more than happy to take a look and perhaps offer some advice.

If you decide to play again - I hope lady luck will be on your side.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

 

[Nate]

<Extract>

I don't like 3Dice much either; I love their games, but they don't love me
Every time I play there I expect to lose, and I'm usually right!
But I trust them 100% to be offering fair games and everything in your post is spot on.

KK

KK - I agree with your stance on the matter. I loved 3Dice at first. It was a breath of fresh air from the usual MG and RTG slots. After making it my primary deposit Casino sometime last year and having sessions from hell 90% of the time, I eventually kicked myself to the curb.

I still play at 3dice like a 'Low Roller' depositing at times $10 - $100 and not more. I prefer playing at MG and my results are 100% better and I get more playtime. I sometimes think to myself what posessed me to take these losing sessions and think its 'OK'... Well, Like many on here say, if it's not your cuppa tea, don't play there. I was always under the impression I would hit something decent soon, but I realised I was actually chasing a ghost. Don't get me wrong, I'm certain that if i invested enough (and i did actually invest a packet already) I would win. The question is how much are you prepared to lose until you get a decent session?

I don't hold any gripes against 3Dice, I should have made the decision to STOP playing after the sessions were so repetitive with losses. As a Gambler, all I ever want is to have a NICE cashout. I've had 1 everywhere else besides 3Dice and I suppose that is what motivated me to go on trying. Enzo tried his best to get me on 'the winning side' with comps but ultimately he could not calm the softwares insatiable desire to munch at my balance. Felt like my account number was JINXED or something

I use 3dice now to play for 'Entertainment' (Although there isn't actually such a beast). I have frequent Cashouts at MG and they are paid just as quick. I was a Gold (Almost Platinum) player at 3Dice... Now.. Im the average $10 Joe Soap Bronze player that occassionally drops a few $$ and Expects to lose. I wish it could have been different, but sadly, it isnt.

Nate

 

[Kimsterfl]

I did hit a $300 hit right when I started but aside from that there wasnt much for me to speak of as far as wins for playing many many spins. I swear it seemed like everytime I lowered my bet within the next severl spins the feature would hit.

I would have been happy with the $300 hit! Congratulations!

 

[silcnlayc]

Da_Gambla: A return of $2.30 on a $300 investment would literally mean you wagered $300 on that one spin, which of course isn't possible.

Um yea , it is......extremely possible and probable...and been there and done it...and got it...

Da_Gambla:: If you expect to deposit $300 and walk out with $500, that's unrealistic.

Where did I say this???

Da_Gambla:: A broken slot because you didn't win much on a feature??

Um...not because I didn't win ON a feature..it is WHAT I won...8 bonus rounds with the same hits when there are 6 possible drops and to catch the same one 8 times...figure those odds...when it hits 8 times in a row on the lowest pay..to me that means broken..I guess we all have different ideas of "RANDOM", yes?

Da_Gambla: : I keep bringing this up because your post seems very personal against 3Dice,

Not personal at all and nothing against 3Dice...my first line says.CASINOS (in multiple) ..if you read it at all..

This is where I have issues with casinos that feel a $300 investment with a return of $2.30 for a bonus/free spin round is fair. Sure it's fair, even great, for the casino!!...figure out the percentage of their take with that. I know some will come in guns blasting but you know what...the truth hurts..3Dice is an excellent SEVICE casino..but fair in payouts...hmmmm...

I included all casinos in this since it has become an epidemic amongst them ALL and for some they are incorporating dud bonus/free spins more heavily lately . This is a 3Dice thread so I also said....

3Dice is an excellent SEVICE casino

I guess you lost the idea of my post...which was, if a game is suposed to be random, how does one get 8 bonus rounds in a row at the same exact setting (hit) when there are 6 other choices for it to land on? I want others to know that the casino is good and honest but the games are tough and this is to offset all those "I love you " threads which really does not do a newbie justice just as CANADAMAN99 felt that he got burnt from reading all the positive about this casino and found a harsh reality..

CANADAMAN99: The feature was something like 12 free games at x4 multiplier. Guess how much the feature was for?????? $3.40. That is absolutely PATHETIC for a game that took so long for the feature to hit.

The ultimate pinnacle to a game USED TO BE the hitting of bonus/free rounds. What changed?? Why so few and far between that actually pay anything ? This is what my point is. A casino KNOWS the player will play until they catch one...and now it is not even worth the effort to achieve since there is no true return on those anymore either.

Da_Gambla: 3Dice is a class act. Their games work just like all the others. You might win, you might lose. It's gambling. You are not owed a return.

Strange isn't it that I also agree with that last statement...nothing is a guarantee... But on the other hand, why take players on a foolish ride when they hit the coveted pinnacle? Once is ok, twice...hmmm...8 times, one begins to wonder if there is something wrong/broken or if there is anything beyond that and if what there is , is just for show/eye candy which again is a misrepresentation of the game IMO.

Originally Posted by silcnlayc
***This is just my opinion....it is not an exact science or a fact

That's the most accurate thing you've said in your entire post.

Thank you...and I reciprocate the same to you on all you said and feel so strongly about but is not facts either. but the "personal view" of just ONE, unlike many who has been hit by reality of the true game at these casinos anymore.......

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[CANADAMAN99]

Hi CANADAMAN99,

First off, thanks for giving 3Dice a try. I realize it is always a leap of faith for a player to try a new casino - and when the games are all new to you - that does not make it any easier.

Part of the problem ofcourse is that ones experience is influenced more than a little by the amount of luck - and alas - that is just the one thing we do not have under control.

As a gambler we all know bad luck is always an option, but when you are familiar with the games, you can pick the games and betsize that most closely allign to your expectations. I think most 3Dice players agree that this knowledge of the games is imperative to get the most out of your play.

This is also one of the reasons we launched our VIP tournament system. Especially when you are new to 3Dice - even if tournament play at other platforms is not your thing - it is a good idea to participate in a couple of the VIP tournaments. As a depositing player - you can enter all of them for free (new one starting every hour) - and each month there are players winning hundreds of dollars in prizes. They are the perfect risk-free and fun way to get to know our games and learn to appreciate the specifics of our games.

Your deposit at 3Dice will grant you access to those tournaments for a couple of weeks - it would be a shame not to take up on this opportunity. It's also the perfect time to watch - or participate - a bit in the 3Dice chatroom, I cannot begin to tell you how valuable the knowledge and experience of all other players you find there can be to get the most out of your own 3Dice experience.

Last but not least - word on the street is that we have a pretty good support department - did you contact any of our reps in chat after your first session ? We do understand how a first time experience feels if you have bad luck and it would not be the first time that we offer players a second go (added with for example the advice that $1 spins on tut on a $50 bankroll (example numbers) - is really a mud or gold scenario - with the odds being favored for mud.). Please let me know your account # and I will be more than happy to take a look and perhaps offer some advice.

If you decide to play again - I hope lady luck will be on your side.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

Wow, thanks Enzo for the reply, that is quality service. I have no doubt in my mind that 3Dice is one of the top casinos in the business. From the start of my experience there I can tell you that I completely trust your company and customer service. Its a feel I got the instant I started playing there. I have no doubt that your customer service far exceeds most places in the business.

As for my complaints, I will email you my account number and please feel free to look at some of the things I complained about. 1 question I have is that on the game (Sorry I forget the name) where you have to get three yin-yang symbols, it took me literally days and days or repeated playing to finally get the feature. I figured that because it was so hard to get that something must be at the end of the rainbow. There was something there but it was a very poor win. My question, is why a slot that has such a drastic amount of play to get the feature, doesn't have something of a better feature when you get there? This is less of a complaint and more of just a question as I think about it, I could have just not played it but I was curious. My fault, yes, but still I wonder why you even have a slot like that?

Look at the number of times I hit the feature in the falls game, probably 15 times at least and not once did I progress to the next round. Every single time it was 3-4 spins which yielded nothing.

Take a look at all of my features, check the aztec one. I hit features 5-10 times on that and every single time it was for the lowest possible amount.

I'm not looking for a bunch of arguing from other members because I know its play at your own risk, but I do wonder if maybe I am just extremely unlucky or if this is normal?

Thanks for your time

 

[silcnlayc]

Today 01:35 PM
CANADAMAN99
: I figured that because it was so hard to get that something must be at the end of the rainbow. There was something there but it was a very poor win. My question, is why a slot that has such a drastic amount of play to get the feature, doesn't have something of a better feature when you get there? This is less of a complaint and more of just a question as I think about it, I could have just not played it but I was curious. My fault, yes, but still I wonder why you even have a slot like that?

Very well put and asked CANADAMAN99 . I continue to wonder about some of the slots being introduced that reveal nothing after an extremely costly run with such a hard way to win and then nothing...I wouldn't be surprised the casinos are not saying "oops , my bad" laffin at us all the way to the bank...

CANADAMAN99: or if this is normal

I am not Enzo and I am not answering for him...from my experience, I have learned that this is more the norm than not..

CANADAMAN99: I figured that because it was so hard to get that something must be at the end of the rainbow

This is where I get really bullheaded I guess..because as a gambler, for over 35 years in B&M casinos and then out of casinos (which is online), we were introduced ( last 20 years I believe?) to the bonus/free spins as an additional way to increase our wins and bottom line and learned for a long time that the harder it was to hit, the larger the payoff and that is why the paytable was lowered to offset the freespins/bonus rounds as I understood it...sadly, this no longer holds true anymore for online games and this isn't just an opinion it is an observation from personal play. Now, we have dud bonus/free spins and lowered payscale....

CANADAMAN99:I'm not looking for a bunch of arguing from other members

No arguments, just a matter of differing opinions based on personal experiences and what has happened to the online gambling scene in the last years up to recently...

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[Da_Gambla]

Holy epic back peddle.. when actually an apology was probably due.

[.. snip ..]Not personal at all and nothing against 3Dice...my first line says.CASINOS (in multiple) ..if you read it at all..I included all casinos in this since it has become an epidemic amongst them ALL and for some they are incorporating dud bonus/free spins more heavily lately .

If English isn't your native language, then #1, your English is extremely good for a 2nd language (way above average), and #2, I'll need to point out how grammar affects comprehension.

When you say 'all casinos' (which you did NOT), then that means one thing. When you say 'I have issues with casinos that feel a $300 investment with a return of $2.30 for a bonus/free spin round is fair', then you have already attributed the poor return to 3Dice earlier, and thus the reader is going to attribute 'casinos' with 3Dice. This is pretty basic, and note the lack of the word 'all' in your sentence.

It's like saying, "Jennifer and Gloria went down to the store. When those girls arrived...". The reader replaces 'those girls' with Jennifer and Gloria to complete the idea.

If your original sentence was to say:

"I have issues with all or any casino(s) that feel an investment with such a small return for a bonus/free spin round is fair"

Then you have removed the association with 3Dice in particular, and the reader clearly understands you are now generalizing a group of particular casinos that may have this 'problem' of a low return rate.

As your sentence stands, there is no way anyone with high school level English skills would not interpret that sentence as a DIRECT application to 3Dice.

It was a nice try, though. I can appreciate your possible embarrassment at how you so carefully tried to skewer their good name, but it failed. It happens.

This is a 3Dice thread so I also said....I guess you lost the idea of my post...which was, if a game is suposed to be random, how does one get 8 bonus rounds in a row at the same exact setting (hit) when there are 6 other choices for it to land on?

8 bonus rounds failing to meet your expectations is completely within the limits of a random game. Again, if we revisit Roulette, people are astonished when black hits 13 times in a row. As gamblers, we completely understand and must leave room for probablities that fall outside of odds. The odds of black or red are 50% (if we disregard 0). That does not mean that either cannot hit for 13, 20, or 50 times in a row.

Each and every time you ask for a spin on a slot, it is a new game. It has no idea how much you've spent so far, so having multiple unexpected returns is just an anomaly that statistics are fine with. Using your logic (or, illogic in this case), you are saying that the slot SHOULD KNOW you had a bad bonus round before, and then 2 bad rounds before that, and 3, and so on.. but the slot does NOT keep track of these things, so this is an impossible expectation on your part. You have been playing for 35 yrs, and this is how you think it works? There's no misunderstanding of what you said. You expected something better due to previous bad luck and how much you had invested so far. Neither of those situations are taken into consideration by a slot machine when you ask for another spin.

I want others to know that the casino is good and honest but the games are tough

No no no.. that's NOT what you said. You might be saying that NOW that you've been called out, but what you originally said was that 3Dice does not have a fair return:

>the truth hurts..3Dice is an excellent SEVICE casino..
>but fair in payouts...hmmmm...

and that their slot machine you played is broken:

>I can swear to this..their slot is broken

That's pretty direct, no? You swore on it.

Did you report the 'broken' slot to CS or Enzo here? I'm sure they would have been happy to pull up your history and have a tech look at the particulars. I'd like to know how they responded to your request? I'm sure you inquired. I can't imagine ANY player feeling a machine must be broken and not reporting it? So what did they say or do?

and this is to offset all those "I love you " threads which really does not do a newbie justice

I will always maintain that the more you let someone talk, the closer to the truth you will get. There it is. You were purposefully venting at them. Nothing more.

Once is ok, twice...hmmm...8 times, one begins to wonder if there is something wrong/broken or if there is anything beyond that and if what there is

Your original post contained no wonderment. You swore it was broken.

If using that sentence in a generalized way, then that's fine, and just an opinion in general about machines that might not pay what you want or expect. This was a direct hit on 3Dice. THEIR machine was broken, according to your sworn testimony. Ridiculous.

The rest of your response to my response is nothing more than a zillion questions aimed at distracting us from your original post. Nice try.

Questioning any casino about problems you encounter with their particular software is valid. Coming here to beat them up with BS because you lost is not.

You have the rep power to affect people's view. Should you not use better judgment with your wording? All casinos supported by CM should be supported by US, because they are trying to reach the bar raised by Bryan and Max, or even surpass it.

Your post, if left without response, might have COST 3Dice business from a casual forum browser who might have been considering a deposit. This is extremely disturbing from a VETERAN forum user, and someone with considerable rep power.

If that post would have been left by a first time poster, it would have been shredded, and everyone would have been telling that poster that just because he lost, he doesn't have the right to come here and post that 3Dice isn't fair and that their machines are broken. That poster would have been sent packing, tail firmly between legs.

If you see, there are several other posters who lost at 3Dice, but they accept the responsibility behind their losses, and some have even devised ways to include 3Dice in their regimen, with certain restrictions attached.

You didn't do that. You wanted to punch them in the face, but in as nice a way as possible so you could save some face if called out. There's no problem warning people that this casino in particular might not be for low rollers. No problem with you posting that you lost there. I never have problems with facts. I have problems with poor losers who start shouting unfair and broken software.

- Keith

 

[gloria460]

^^that's just too much to read to get your point across

 

[Da_Gambla]

^^that's just too much to read to get your point across

Happy to paraphrase:

Saying a casino that we should be supporting at CM has unfair payouts and broken machines is extremely irresponsible for a veteran forum member who simply lost there.

All good?

- Keith

 

[silcnlayc]

Da_Gambla Holy epic back peddle.. when actually an apology was probably due.

Apology by you, yes I guess that would be nice but I do not see it happening.

No back peddling here. Since you are so interested in placing the finger on the word...#1. english IS my second language, #2 you would know I use the brush stroke when it comes to bonus/free spins...see my other repsonses at other threads on OTHER casinos., which is no different then the repsonse here..so..I CHOSE to use the word CASINOS, to continue in the same vien as my other reponses in the other threads ...if you do not understand your own language, that means MULTIPLE casinos, does it not???

Da_Gambla: It was a nice try, though. I can appreciate your possible embarrassment

And I should be embarrased because??? You lost me here...

Da_Gambla: You might be saying that NOW that you've been called out

Again you lost me, called out on what??? Everything I said, I believe with everthing I have...and I should apologize and be embarassed becasue my views are different than yours??? So, what you are saying as I am understanding is , you are right in every way and anyone that contridicts your ideas is wrong?? We should bow down to YOUR way of thinking ...We should also make sure that one cannot read something other than what is written since you will pick and CHOOSE what you want to manipulate IT (the word) to read with your words into what was actually being written?

No sorry or embarrasment here..hate to burst your bubble...because what you say might mean a lot to you ..just as what I say and hold to, means a lot to me...I also do not belong to any club, or website (webmaster?) or casino..I speak for myself and help others make better decisions in the long run hopefully.

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[Kenny Lingus]

Happy to paraphrase:

Saying a casino that we should be supporting at CM has unfair payouts and broken machines is extremely irresponsible for a veteran forum member who simply lost there.

All good?

- Keith

Excuse me? Why should we all support 3Dice? You Enzo's cousin or something?

 

[silcnlayc]

gloria460 ^^that's just too much to read to get your point across

In a nut shell, CANADAMAN99 read that 3Dice was an excellent casino, tried it, hit a bonus round, said the bonus round sucked, couldn't believe it was on the accredited list with such pitiful payouts...etc etc..

My response was, it was a tight casino, great CS, fun chat room (so I heard) if that is your cuppa....but the bonus/free spins are extremely stingy..Da_Gambla decided to take apart, word for word, what I felt...about stingy bonus/free spins and random bonus rounds that were not random IMO...and I said after 8 times of hitting the exact same thing on the bonus which was the lower payout, they were broken..and he took offense at that...for some odd reason..

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[Da_Gambla]

Excuse me? Why should we all support 3Dice? You Enzo's cousin or something?

I said that we should support ALL casinos that are accredited or in compliance with Bryan's and Max's standards. That doesn't mean we shouldn't post losses or other information to help someone decide on whether to patronize or not, but posting flat out lies and inaccuracies without any data to back that up is irresponsible IMO.

I have absolutely no relationship with 3Dice or any other casino. Fact. I support any casino that plays fairly.

- Keith

 

[anniemac]

Just because a casino is on the accredited list here does not mean that we should be supporting them as you said. Accreditation here just means that they have been 'vetted' by CM to meet all the criteria he has set up for accreditation. Does not mean that all of us here have to like them.

3Dice is a love/hate casino. Some love it, some hate it. I've tried it out alot. My main problem with them is the fact that the software bogs up in my computer. I have never been able to run the software without problems so that's why I don't play often there.

As far as return on my money, I don't find it any better or worse than the RTG's or the one MG I play at. I just had a crappy run at CW this weekend where I couldn't buy a free spin.

If you love 3Dice, love them. If you don't, leave them alone. It's just that simple and you can argue 'til the cows come home and it won't make any difference.