Casino Complaint 3Dice Game Stat Logs ??

Rob, coming from someone who I know had some doubts of late.....and who wasn't happy with their last two months of play, your post speaks volumes!!!

Thank you so much for going to the trouble of doing this, and thanks to the people who helped Rob put this together.

A couple of things do jump out at me, and that is that the slot returns are lower than I expected. If not for Medieval Moolah, your overall return would have been much lower.

The second thing is that the "other games" returns are higher than I would have expected. I think this just goes to prove that what our minds perceive (as we're playing) really can't be trusted, lol. Statistics don't lie.

The third thing is that there are no BJ stats? You don't play BJ Rob?

And the last thing is that.....I'm happy to see that the stats provided to you matched your own data within .10%. After the extended wait time it took for you to receive this info, I was worried that something may not match up. I'm very glad to see that all was in order.

And to my friend Silc (no hand slapping, lol)...this is exactly why, IMO, it is important for a reputable casino to be able to provide game logs upon request. It's not required, but a good casino with nothing to hide, shouldn't withhold this info from a player. That's just a personal opinion Silc. Like I said, no one is obligated...but it's how we help to separate the good from the bad. :thumbsup:

Not online, probably haven't played it online in the last three years...I could never beat the dealer on that game...at least online anyway...:D
 
Robwin: My overall average return % was 98.85% on all wagers
No disrespect to you or your math brainiacs, but these stats are YOURS. Not others. I do not play any video poker...because I do not care for it at all. I play slots and blackjack period...so my stats would be even worse and how would I get an adjustment on that since it seems your VP seemed to bring up your stats to this whopping 98.85%? Right now, my stats show for both bj and slots at 3Dice an average of 62% for this past year... (remember, I do not take bonuses usually)

So, stating that this casino gives back 98.85% is somewhat of a misstatement IMO. Becasue no one plays the same, and no one will have the same return and this would be a misleading (new players) others into playing there even though you clearly stated it was YOUR stats. Then when they come here and complain...because of this number.
Overall 3Dice Casino gets a 9.8 rating out of 10 from this player...

I can see all he** breaking loose...because you are very well respected player and member on this forum and when you say something it is accepted by many if not all as the "word" unless they are familiar with this casino and have experienced it to be worse than normal for a long period of time.
 
Robwin:Even though your run was not particually unlucky, you somehow still felt that you had been unlucky due to the fact you had lost more $ that you had anticipated. And you are not alone...

I appreciate your willingness to share you data, since they did reveal a very common pattern for slot players. (and the majority of your play was on slots). The financial result is inevitable of course(long term) and you know it , but it is interested why you still feel that way.

The first games I played online was also video-slots and I felt the same way you did. (though I played at much smaller stake).

It seems most people do not understand what a 95% payout (or 5% house egde) game will do to your bankroll. It is an untameable beast that you gives you the illusion that you are in change, but in fact you are fooled. Slots are designed to deceit you and take you money - and they are damn good at it.
(reminds me of some women btw...)

Somehow the excitement with every spin combined with looking at the nice graphics, cool animations, sounds and frequent feature rounds gives players the feeling that they are in charge and they just need a few good features to win what they have lost. Hitting the feature does give some personal satisfaction that you did archive something, though you did nothing but press the spin-button over and over.. It does everything possible trick to make you stop thinking logically since your focus is everywhere else.

Instead you should be think: HHmm. Pressing this spin button will instantly take 5% of by bet amount. 5% what does that mean compared to ie. 50% or 0.5% trying to figure out how bad 5% is. But trust me, it is very bad.
This monsterous house egde combing with the insane amount of spins you can make in a short time spam makes this the ultimative money sucking machine. Playing on a 50% house-egde state lottery game can actually be better in terms of EV. Because here you only make 1 bet for a whole week (and indeed give away 50% of your money). But this can be better than
applying a 5% house with small bets several thousand times during the week (number of spins).

The feature rounds is what makes the slot addictive to me. But in fact a
legendary feature round with a *1000 bet-size win, will often only give back
what you have lost during the last 4 hours. And we all know how often 1000*bet-size wins comes. (But I know how many hours it will last...)

Making the slot-analyzer really opened my eyes. I could do 10K spins on
Thunderstruck in 1 second. And I did it over and over. I also did lots of
life-time simulations to see the long aspect of slots. It draw a picture much more devastating than I had imagined. 100K spins and you were doomed.
This is from my memory, but I can check it again if anyone doubts it.
I did tens of thousands of life-time simulations(Thunderstruck) and the longest number of spins any simulation managed to stay in positive was 400K spins. I did continue each simulation for 10M spins, so this player did not get into positive again. And a very high percentage of them never ever managed to go into positive at all!

I believe I saved myself a nice amount of money making the analyzer. Sometimes people just have to see it themself to believe it. When ever I play Thunderstruck and hit the feature I know cry instead. Hitting the feature happens every in average every 143 spin and with 1$ bets this will cost you 7.5$. So hitting the feature is just a reminder that happens regulary which tells you how much you have lost in average since last feature! :D


The 5% house egde is an insult, but people are taking the bait anyway.
I also only play slots with 100% bonuses and I am not ashamed to admit it. I would be ashamed to admit I played slot without bonuses. Because then I would eigther be very stupid or an incurable addict that could not find enough bonuses to satisfy his needs.

It would be pretty darn stupid to do otherwise. Slots are not an easy and fun way to win money. It is a way (that I hope you find fun) to lose your money much faster than you anticipate.

In short: Know what you are dealing with. Slots are not quite what they look like.
 
No disrespect to you or your math brainiacs, but these stats are YOURS. Not others. I do not play any video poker...because I do not care for it at all. I play slots and blackjack period...so my stats would be even worse and how would I get an adjustment on that since it seems your VP seemed to bring up your stats to this whopping 98.85%? Right now, my stats show for both bj and slots at 3Dice an average of 62% for this past year... (remember, I do not take bonuses usually)

So, stating that this casino gives back 98.85% is somewhat of a misstatement IMO. Becasue no one plays the same, and no one will have the same return and this would be a misleading (new players) others into playing there even though you clearly stated it was YOUR stats. Then when they come here and complain...because of this number.

I can see all he** breaking loose...because you are very well respected player and member on this forum and when you say something it is accepted by many if not all as the "word" unless they are familiar with this casino and have experienced it to be worse than normal for a long period of time.

silc, it was not a misstatement as I clearly stated "My overall average return % was 98.85% on all wagers made"

So in that respect I never stated that The Casino gives back 98.85% to anyone or everyone...only MY Stats :)
 
"My overall average return % was 98.85% on all wagers made"
That is what I said also
but these stats are YOURS. Not others
..but as we all know, many players will overlook that and say well, he got that so why not me too etc etc..is what I was getting at..I am not very good at getting across things but I do try to make some sense of what I try to mean...

Enzo, kindly asked to post my stats and I declined this offer, but I did give him permission to tell me I was wrong ..:rolleyes: (Waiting for the next shoe to drop)
 
Does this mean Im not a shill now:D

Seriously

Thats great Rob. Especially coming from you lol. No offense but 3dice seemed to be giving you pms tendencies there for the last 2 weeks. Ive already noticed your change in attitude as well as my own because I too had a crappy month or so. Its a good thing and I hope this helps alot of people who had doubts. I know....he doesnt have BJ logs but you know what? He doesnt play BJ so it doesnt matter to him or me because I dont play it either

I guess somone who plays BJ has to step up and go through what ROb did to get BJ logs because in my eyes...his job is done here (rob) Kudo, and thanks again for doing the dirty work. You play everything I play.:notworthy
 
I guess somone who plays BJ has to step up and go through what ROb did to get BJ logs because
I wouldn't wish that on anyone or ask anyone to do this since we already had a thread ( I think) about their blackjack and it wasn't a positive one at all.

Trying to play in fun mode is nothing like playing in real mode (for bj stats) because your mindset is totally different and the plays one makes during fun mode would be different than real mode so that suggestion is out if one wants to keep their money for a while.

But, if anyone is brave enough to use their own cash in real mode..I definitely would be interested in the play for that (as I am sure others would be too) but really do not care if the stats is shared either way.

I said before they have fun games and I do enjoy them in fun and real, but preferably in fun mode more lately if at all. So, to each his own...just enjoy where you want to play and ....be happy...life is good...I woke up this morning !:thumbsup:
 
if anyone is brave enough to use their own cash in real mode
I got a great idea!!! How about 3Dice giving one of the forum members that likes to play blackjack real money ($1000) non cashable, non withdrawal, non winnings just to play it out and see what happens?

Shark casino (when they were in good graces on here) did this a long while back and gave $500 refillable real money to a few players (I was one of them) to test out the waters in real mode..I had a blast blowing through $1500 in normal play...not that 3Dice needs to prove anything, it would be fun to know though, and I know couldn't afford that kind of play there at all..

Just a thought..:D
 
You are so funny!! Thats the first time I ever saw someone quote themselve's and answer too:)

It is a cool idea!
 
I got a great idea!!! How about 3Dice giving one of the forum members that likes to play blackjack real money ($1000) non cashable, non withdrawal, non winnings just to play it out and see what happens?

Shark casino (when they were in good graces on here) did this a long while back and gave $500 refillable real money to a few players (I was one of them) to test out the waters in real mode..I had a blast blowing through $1500 in normal play...not that 3Dice needs to prove anything, it would be fun to know though, and I know couldn't afford that kind of play there at all..

Just a thought..:D

small casino
their choice of players
they flip the switch's
bzzzzzzzz
bad idea

IMO bad idea indeed

Cindy
 
I must of missed something

Ive had the same people on ignore for a long time so I have no clue what that was about but

Thanks ChuChu, I know Im not either lol. My last months deposit surely can prove that:D
 

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