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3Dice casino - Any thoughts?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by AussieDave, Dec 25, 2006.

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    Dec 25, 2006
  1. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

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    Location:
    Australia
    Editor's note: since this thread was started years ago, 3Dice has gone on to win a number of Casinomeister awards to include Best US Facing Casino of the Year 2010, 2011. Please check their accredited casino page for more information about 3Dice here:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/content/3dice-259/
    /editor's note



    I'm not sure if this place is dodgy, but, after reading the About Us section and doing some further research I've realised this:

    If Danmar Investment Group Company Limited has been operating Land Based Casinos for 10 years then there would certainly be something about them on google. Apart from these two online casino (in my 10 years of online gaming I've never heard of these casinos) there is nothing about Danmar Investment Group Company Limited found on google:
    (remove xxx)

    xxxhttp://www.thedomecasino.com/indexgames.html

    xxxhttp://www.3dice.com

    It looks like these guys are commencing some marketing drive, hence, I thought it best to issue a warning...Better to be safe that sorry!



    Cheers

    Trezz
     
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  2. Dec 26, 2006
  3. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    3dice (lovely design IMO) leads to an affiliate page with a contact email mark[at]danmarinvest.com which is simply a holding page on a domain reg'ed in 2003 by "Mark Furman" (presumably the Mark on email support?) and hosted on a public server in Arizona with 900k other sites and an admin email at yahoo.com. Not too encouraging but it definately looks like its offering something new (3d) and the site design has some encouraging signs. Says "Licenced & regulated" but doesn't say where - crucial info. Company reg'ed in Belgium, payment processing done in Spain, server hosted in the US. Quite an unusual mix.

    I'd say new, unknown, unproven, proprietary software. May turn out good, may not. Too early to say.
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2006
  4. Dec 26, 2006
  5. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

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    A few of the reasons why I decided to post this warning.

    When I then discovered that it tied back into thedomecasino.com (and I'd never heard of them before) it was too many red flags for my liking, then that's just my opinion, isn't it :D
     
  6. Dec 26, 2006
  7. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    Server hosted in the USA is red flag enough for me :)
     
  8. Dec 26, 2006
  9. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

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    The yahoo email addy for the domain of danmarinvest.com bring memories flooding back of past dodgy casino that would also use yahoo email addys too.

    imo for a company that claims to have been in B&M casinos for 10 years, I find their actions rather suss.
     
  10. Dec 27, 2006
  11. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

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    Didn't check this the other day, but, that Thwate Banner at the footer of every page, is bogus.

    Like Verisign, (who also own Thwate) all Thwate Approved sites connect to a certificate of authenticity...

    The banner does not connect to anything it's a fake.

    Stay Right away from this outfit!!!

    (remove xxx to view legitimate Thwate banners)

    xxxhttp://www.thawte.com/ssl-digital-certificates/trusted-site-seal/siteseal_consumer.html
     
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  12. Feb 14, 2007
  13. 3Dice

    3Dice I-Gaming Industry Representative

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    3Dice

    Hello guys,

    As a support employee of 3Dice casino, one of our members pointed me to this post. Allow me to add a few bits and pieces of information that could help readers of this thread to assess the situation.

    For starters, the casinomeister members were very fast in finding out about the existance of 3Dice casino. At the time of the posts, we were not at all doing any marketing as the site was still under construction.

    Because of that, some of the assesments above were of, lets say premature nature, and any visitor can verify that all our certificates are perfectly ligit, support and contact addresses provide in swift replies, and we try to provide in the best possible casino service.

    I understand that trust is hard to earn in this business, and of course, my opinion is biased, but so is the opinion of those who didnt try. I can appreciate the assumption that any new casino will just fit the prototype untill proven otherwise. It would be great if some of the casinomeister members with real world experience at 3Dice.com also share their opinion.

    For those who'd like to try, we have decided to setup a new no-deposit competition system, so you can try it all out without any risk.

    Regards,

    the 3Dice team.
     
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  14. Feb 15, 2007
  15. mikepipe

    mikepipe Dormant account

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    why i read this forum:

    Only weeks ago, there was a longer discussion between Zoozie and one of the 3D guys.
    I followed it and even visited their site.
    once.
     
  16. Feb 15, 2007
  17. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    I don't like the fact that their banking page says nothing about Neteller not being available to US residents.
     
  18. Feb 15, 2007
  19. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Thanks for appearing, Mark - perhaps you would care to address some of the questions raised earlier regarding your software and licensing? And the use of those Arizona servers? That may help establish better credibility....
     
  20. Feb 15, 2007
  21. 3Dice

    3Dice I-Gaming Industry Representative

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    Hello jetset,

    Sorry that we werent more explicit about this, but the "findings" earlier in this thread are simply incorrect. As clearly mentioned on our website, 3Dice casino
    is licensed out of Curaao, and our game servers are all located there. To provide our customers with a faster website and downloads, an extra content server (only webpages and downloads - no gameplay) is located in the Netherlands. There are no servers in Arizona whatsoever - nor can we tell you how that user came to such a conclusion (bad geo-location tool ?)

    For those that like to check and see for themselves, here are the server urls and ip's.

    You must register/login in order to see the link. : 200.124.132.182 (main server - handling all gameplay)
    fileserver3.3dice.com : 84.244.134.192 (fileserver - webpages and download)

    (be carefull with geo-location tools - they work based on databases and many of the (free) geo-location tools out there have incomplete and even incorrect ip-pool information - You must register/login in order to see the link. -> see "criticism")

    The 3Dice casino software is the pride of 3Dice. In a market with little or no differentation, and a quality level that does not meet the specs of todays
    digital entertainment market, we made a huge investement to have our software custom developped. (Which included licensing a state-of-the-art 3D engine, getting a designer from Blizzard, years of development ...). We believe the results of this effort are clearly visible, and 3Dice casino stands out when it comes to graphics quality and gameplay delivering a better digital entertainment experience than any other software solution out there.
    (Once again - one needs to take an actual look - to be able to tell .. )

    Thanks for the remark winbig, we will have one of the webguys change that today.

    If anyone wants any more information, we will be happy to answer all questions..

    Regards,

    the 3Dice team.
     
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  22. Feb 15, 2007
  23. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    The only way you're going to find a definitive answer as to where the IP's are located is at You must register/login in order to see the link.. They do in fact point to:

     
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  24. Feb 15, 2007
  25. 3Dice

    3Dice I-Gaming Industry Representative

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    Thank you winbig,

    For the users with less knowledge on how ip number management works, ARIN is the "American registry for internet numbers". Our ip is managed by LACNIC which is the "Latin American and Carribean Internet Address Registry". LACNIC owns the pool 200.*.*.* of ip's (which they registred at ARIN) and manages the allocation of the nrs in that pool for Latin America and the Carribean. The who-is search at LACNIC (which allows you to search IN that pool)

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Will yield the following :

    To make a long story short. A server in Curaao.

    Regards,

    the 3Dice team.
     
  26. Feb 15, 2007
  27. bigbcasinos

    bigbcasinos Dormant account webmeister

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    Some quick observations.

    1 - The Thawte link routes to the correct certificate
    2 - You have a link to the SA market (my main market as I am resident here). Note that operators in this market tend to offer direct bank transfers as an option and of course, the use of rands as a currency. You would definitely do better if you had these options available to players.
    3 - Not really able to pick up where the owners of 3Dice gained their 10 years of experience? The success of other casinos where the owners have strong historical backgrounds exists. However, the players and other industry partners were aware of the background and used it to bolster their own and others confidence in the new operation.

    In short, you have entered into a market where caution is a way of life for the participants, and by opening up (as you have so far done), you are definitely doing the right thing. I have been reading the Casinomeister Forum for years (truly although I only registered recently so I could also see the pictures of winning screenshots)! I assure you, clear and open dialogue definitely goes a long way to getting you onto my websites :) Casinomeister is the one place on the web where customer opinion is well and truly available and documented for everyone to see.
     
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  28. Feb 15, 2007
  29. 3Dice

    3Dice I-Gaming Industry Representative

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    Thank you bigbcasinos, we will investigate this and see what we can do.

    The group behind 3dice also owns two land based casino's in Antwerp (called 'Panache' and 'Poker Palace'). These are no 'vegas style' hotel casinos, much smaller but licensed and regulated "class II" Belgian casinos that have been very succesfull for well over a decade. Although well known in Antwerp, the lack of web-presence of these casinos will make it hard to find information about them - We'd be happy to post some pictures, addresses and telephone nrs if that would be usefull.

    We realise that there's no huge land based casino or well known name behind us, and never claimed there was, we do however have the experience, and we believe our software proves that we understand the gamer and appreciate the value of quality digital entertainment.

    Thank you bigbcasinos, and thanks again winbig, posts like yours prove that casinomeister indeed stands out, and we're sure that with time and experience this thread will contain a balanced and in-depth overview of its subject.

    On our side, we are comitted to providing the best possible casino service, and will do everything needed to make sure that the final picture made by this thread is a pretty one.

    Regards,

    the 3Dice team.
     
  30. Feb 15, 2007
  31. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Thanks 3Dice for joining the forum. I've added you to the "Casino Contacts" page to allow members to contact you if issues arise.

    And thanks for the explanations. It's not every day that casino reps explain the organization of their businesses in public. Looks like you are on the right track.
     
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  32. Feb 16, 2007
  33. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Ah, unable to open an account and can not access the games on the freeplay and live help unavailable and no toll free UK number.
    Not my best Casino experience.
    A shame because the free game competition is a good Idea.
     
  34. Feb 16, 2007
  35. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

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    You can send an email, if online support is unvailable.
    Usually there is always someone (live help)

    I like to help these guys, report bugs/etc,
    and they already fix everything... (Almost) :p
    (referring graphic card issues/navigation/etc) :)

    I just tried and i got sign up page - pop up. So try again!

    If you still have a problem. They have quite many email addresses.
    Also Live Help is now available - (when i write this).
    And check you Firewall settings. Try to reach Enzo. Very helpful guy ;)
     
  36. Feb 16, 2007
  37. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

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    Well, i tried with 20 Euro and.... here: pic 2 & 3 = same, but without x25

    Me like it! :thumbsup:
     
  38. Feb 16, 2007
  39. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

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    If you are you curious about payment:

    1. Starting balance = 20 Euro - 02/16/07 - 16:11
    2. Ending balance = 840 Euro - 02/16/07 - 17:33
    3. Paid - NETeller = 840 Euro - 02/16/07 - 17:34

    :thumbsup: I like it! Thanks 3Dice!
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2007
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