32Vegas Casino

[freaky-dutch]

Hi all,

Anyone had experiences with 32vegas? I just requested a payment, so I'm wondering if you do get paid proper and after the 4 days pending period?
It's quite a big amount (over 1K), so I won't be happy when I won't get paid..

Your feedback would be appreciated!

 

[slafs]

Congrats on your winnings!

Too bad the casino is in the Rogue Pit:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

Even so, I guess you'll get your money after a little runaround. I played there a couple of years ago and always got paid...in the end.:machinegu

 

[freaky-dutch]

I am happy to inform you that after just 3 days pending - I received just over2.000 euro in my NETELLER account.

No complaints at all! - So I do not see why they're rogued

 

[Slotster!]

Congrats on the win and payment!

No complaints at all! - So I do not see why they're rogued

For the reasons stated here: https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

 

[AudiManinBoro]

not exactly brillaint behaviour on the part of the casino, but I would still have difficulty in calling them `rogues` for having a aggresive marketing strategy. what they did is wrong i agree but rogue implies more than anything that depositing your money at a casino is a risky business and i dont believe this casino has done that. not recommended would be the strongest i would go

 

[freaky-dutch]

I would also suggest to make this casino 'Not Recommended', or remove it at all from the rogue list.
I totally agree with AudiManinBoro, just because of that only thing, they shouldn't be rogued.

I also saw that on the Kahnawake site, they're listed again, just like Eurogrand and the other casino's of their group.

So maybe the Meister should remove this casino from the 'rogue' list

 

[ugaboga]

not exactly brillaint behaviour on the part of the casino, but I would still have difficulty in calling them `rogues` for having a aggresive marketing strategy. what they did is wrong i agree but rogue implies more than anything that depositing your money at a casino is a risky business and i dont believe this casino has done that. not recommended would be the strongest i would go

I agree. I think roguish behaviour is not paying winnings.

 

[winbig]

If a land based casino tried to pull this same bullshit by letting anyone gamble after they put themselves on the casinos self-exclusion list, they'd be put out of business by the gaming control board in their state.


So I guess we should give them a pat on the back for not only opening an account back up that was closed by a player's request, but for sending them promotions, after the casino re-opened the account, as well? Great marketing?


Does anyone else see the problem with this, or is it just me?

Scenario (hypothetical, random figures

I'm a problem gambler. I've just mortgaged my house for the 3rd time, lost $50,000, and requested from every online casino that my accounts be CLOSED, permanently.

Low and behold, some time later, I get a promotional email from 32Vegas. I get that itch again, and since I can't help myself, I decide to take them up on their offers, losing another $50,000 that I can't afford. Is it their fault that I deposited and lost the money? Yes, and no.

Of course it's their fault for re-opening the account and sending me bonus offers. It's my fault for not being able to control myself and playing at this CLIP JOINT.

If they were licensed and regulated by any REPUTABLE ORGANIZATION, they would be fined heavily, no?

After the Absolute Poker bullshit in which Kahnawake gave them a slap on the wrist and a $500K fine (Did the players affected ever get a dime of that? I doubt it.), I wouldn't trust them any further than I could throw them.

So maybe the Meister should remove this casino from the 'rogue' list

You're kidding, right?

 

[freaky-dutch]

I'm really sorry to hear this, winbig, however, I'd like to know when this happend?

Because I think since this week they've a Kahnawake license again. And when you have such a license, you shouldn't be able to operate like they did with you.

And you're really not the only one who sees this problem, as I do see it too. However, they do pay out and their customer service is good IMO.

So I'm really wondering now: Do they still operate in the way they did with you?

 

[GrandMaster]

Because I think since this week they've a Kahnawake license again. And when you have such a license, you shouldn't be able to operate like they did with you.

I see you are new here. A Kahnawake licence means nothing in terms of player protection.

 

[winbig]

I'm really sorry to hear this, winbig, however, I'd like to know when this happend?

Because I think since this week they've a Kahnawake license again. And when you have such a license, you shouldn't be able to operate like they did with you.

And you're really not the only one who sees this problem, as I do see it too. However, they do pay out and their customer service is good IMO.

So I'm really wondering now: Do they still operate in the way they did with you?

Two things:

1:

Scenario (hypothetical, random figures)

2: Read through this thread: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/32vegas-casino-dont-want-to-close-my-account.15231/, then maybe you'll understand how wrong it is of them to do what they do, thus earning them a spot on the rogue list.

 

[holycreation]

so far anyone made withdrawals from 32Vegas/EuroGrand/Ambercoast before ??

 

[KasinoKing]

so far anyone made withdrawals from 32Vegas/EuroGrand/Ambercoast before ??

Did you HAVE to dig up a 9-month old thread to ask that question?

I'm sure many people have made successful withdrawals from all these casinos - but probably only if they didn't take one of their ludicrous crippling bonuses with insane terms.
This group are not as rogue as they used to be since Will Hills apparently took over from C-Pays. (I say "apparently" because the way these casinos are being run it looks more like C-Pays took over William Hills! )

KK

 

[Webzcas]

This group are not as rogue as they used to be since Will Hills apparently took over from C-Pays. (I say "apparently" because the way these casinos are being run it looks more like C-Pays took over William Hills! )

Very true, that is certainly the overall impression that is given. I have promoted or used to promote Kiwi Casino, which used to be run by Gaming Partners which was swallowed up by CPays and then Hills. Have to say though, the affiliate manager who I dealt with at Aff Utd, apart from being very persistent was actually pleasant to deal with. Even though I explained why I will not work with them going forward.

 

[De Beuker]

Did you HAVE to dig up a 9-month old thread to ask that question?

I'm sure many people have made successful withdrawals from all these casinos - but probably only if they didn't take one of their ludicrous crippling bonuses with insane terms.
This group are not as rogue as they used to be since Will Hills apparently took over from C-Pays. (I say "apparently" because the way these casinos are being run it looks more like C-Pays took over William Hills! )

KK

LOL, yes, their bonus terms..
I remember taking their SUB once, read the T&C, but not good enough.
Thought videpoker was allowed, but would contribute to WR 5%.
I read over the line that the game played with the lowest contribution to WR would set the percentage of how much all the games played, also slots, contribute.
So when I wanted to cashout, I found myself tied to a WR twice the value of my house!

 

[Comfycat]

32 Vegas and Instadebit

I'm having a bad experience right now with 32 and Instadebit. They got REAL money from Instadebit and are refusing to give it back to them or me to give to them. I told them to make a cheque payable to Instadebit or give it back to them however they see fit. Even asked them to write a draft in both our names and I will sign and send to Instadebit. The problem came when Instadebit for some reason could not get money from my account and never had my money but gave it to 32 Vegas. I read online everything is done in real time and the money is taken out instantly. Apparently that didn't happen. They informed me and I've been trying to rectify the situation but they don't want to hear anything but the sound of their own typing and avoid answering my questions properly. I won't gamble here again.

 

[henrywilt]

I never could say anything negative about this whole group (Eurogrand, 32vegas, Carnaval, Amber Coast and so on...). Payments hit my Neteller or Moneybookers account after 4-5 days without problems. Bur now they do not honour the desired withdrawal method. Last two times I got payments per cheque. The cheqes arrived after 2-3 weeks, and until all involved banks took their fees, there was nothing much left of cheque value. They don't reply on email requests about this change of payment method. So I leave them alone until they confirm me that future payments will be effected according to my instructions.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I never could say anything negative about this whole group (Eurogrand, 32vegas, Carnaval, Amber Coast and so on...). Payments hit my Neteller or Moneybookers account after 4-5 days without problems. Bur now they do not honour the desired withdrawal method. Last two times I got payments per cheque. The cheqes arrived after 2-3 weeks, and until all involved banks took their fees, there was nothing much left of cheque value. They don't reply on email requests about this change of payment method. So I leave them alone until they confirm me that future payments will be effected according to my instructions.

This is a common trick, and one that Playtech casinos are fond of. They want to make it very hard for you to withdraw, and then they use the most inefficient and expensive method possible, so you end up feeling you would have been better off playing it all back.

Is this happening NOW, AFTER William Hill took over. From your tale, it almost looks like this was IMPLEMENTED during the takeover by William Hill.

It is rogue behaviour, there is NO reason for casinos to resort to the "stone age" when we have eWallets which have been designed SPECIFICALLY to service online gambling transactions, with their other functions merely being there for "cover" (such as the Neteller "you American players can still use your Neteller accounts at OTHER merchants than gambling related ones" - this "other merchants" turned out to be a coffee house in Amsterdam, tracked down by one player).

If casinos have to use a different withdrawal method for THEIR convenience, they should NOT be charging the PLAYER the extra costs.

You have reminded me of another reason I steer clear of Playtech - this deposit by Neteller and get paid by cheque BS - this completely bucks the trend, most casinos bend over backwards to return withdrawals to the method used to deposit - to hinder moneylaundering.

If I wanted to launder money, Playtech would be just great. Dirty money in one way, nice clean cheque out the other, successfully moving the money from A to B. Paying back to deposit method stops this, because then it's dirty money in, and straight back out into the dirty money pile, making it all dirty again.

 

[deucebag]

If I wanted to launder money, Playtech would be just great. Dirty money in one way, nice clean cheque out the other, successfully moving the money from A to B.

I highly doubt they would send checks if they suspected money laundering. Money launderes would typically deposit fairly large amounts, and would not risk their funds to any serious degree (they would wager a minimal amount with small bets). Money launderers would also not have a previous history of playing at the casino. The sites have systems in place to spot suspected money laundering.

The "money laundering" argument sites use to only allow withdrawals to back to the deposit method is just an excuse. Sites like to do this because it is cheaper for them.

 

[hitobito2005]

I often used to deposit into Ecash (Cryptologic) casinos with Netller and then withdraw to my card. It was quite a convenient way to get money from Neteller back to my bank account while getting some gambling in. Not sure if it's still allowed.

Btw I have been paid by 32Vegas, about 3 years ago, but it took a whole load of hassle, several weeks and a PAB here before I saw my money.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I highly doubt they would send checks if they suspected money laundering. Money launderes would typically deposit fairly large amounts, and would not risk their funds to any serious degree (they would wager a minimal amount with small bets). Money launderers would also not have a previous history of playing at the casino. The sites have systems in place to spot suspected money laundering.

The "money laundering" argument sites use to only allow withdrawals to back to the deposit method is just an excuse. Sites like to do this because it is cheaper for them.

Well, this is the problem. It's casinos that take the deposit by Neteller (just an example), and then they tell the player it is impossible to pay them the withdrawal back to Neteller. One does not need more than a basic education to realise this is complete bullshit, but those with a criminal intent realise this plays right into their hands - they can deposit their wad, and get around one method that makes money laundering harder, which is paying deposits back to their source, which prevents a FLOW of money through the casino to a different end point.

Jetset has recently posted about a report that shows that money laundering is NOT rife in the online gambling industry, and thus many of the fears are unfounded.

In order to stop money laundering, most casinos have adopted this rule that deposits have to be returned to their source, so why do many Playtech casinos seem to INSIST that you CANNOT POSSIBLY be paid back to the method of deposit. They can't on the one hand take this position, and say they are doing their best to prevent money laundering using what is considered to be the best procedures.

These Playtech casinos have another agenda - and it is taking priority over best practice to prevent money laundering. They also CANNOT fail to realise that it is EXTREMELY INCONVENIENT for the customer, and COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY TOO! It is as though they have gone out of their way to offer as poor a service as they can. It is more expensive to issue a cheque than pay back to Neteller, and there CANNOT be any issue about "security" since many of these cases are EXISTING players who after being paid by Neteller (for example) for months, suddenly find the casino issuing cheques and claiming payment back to Neteller is impossible.