Resolved 32red VS Rado16 (2100 Euro dispute)

[Rado16]

If you can provide specific examples of this then please post them, otherwise you owe everyone who has posted in this thread an apology.



Mainly because you ARE rude, impolite and **edited my post**

You admitted it yourself when you apologised to 32Red for 'being abusive'.

Yes, it took longer than it should have to get to a solution (IMO), but if you actually READ the posts by 32Red you will see that they were completely at the mercy of Microgaming here and this is where the delays occurred (no great surprise). You were asked to be patient and that 32Red has to wait for MGS to get back to them, but you continued to carry on like a 3 year old who didnt get his lollipop from mommy at the supermarket.

And, just so you know Im not making any of this up and trying to 'make forgeries', here are some direct quotes from you that you posted after.......and I highlight AFTER.......you acknowledged that you were in PM discussions with Pat and he stated that he was waiting on information from Microgaming:



These are just some of the little gems I found Rado.

After all those unfounded accusations and smearing Pat's good name by straight up calling him a liar and a forger (a personal insult), you are so remorseful about your behaviour that you were moved to say:



Well I didnt see the first time you apologised for being abusive, but anyway....

If you cant see from this that you owe Pat and 32Red AND many of the posters in this thread a sincere apology, then IMO you dont deserve anyone's help.

If I were Pat and 32Red, I would have invoked the malfunction rule, refunded your bet, and said 'dont come back'. Its just lucky for you that it was 32Red as most operators would have done just that - so consider yourself fortunate given your childish behaviour.

Again and again! First, the fact that I asked to excuse me for being abusive does not necessary mean that I was abusive. Sometimes POLITE ppl ask to excuse them even for things they did not mean to do. If I was a really rude person- I would never ask for excuse.
Second, and the most important- I was robbed by that casino at the time I wrote my "abusive" posts. And the use of words like robbery,forgery and liars was more than appropriate. When, after weeks, the casino aknowledged that they were wrong (pay attention- they were first to aknowledge it-not me) - then I was ready to take my words back.
Thirdly, regarding your words that if you were in place of 32 red managers then you would never pay me. I have no doubts about that. You would manage absolutely rogue and evil casino since you seem not to have any respect to other peoples' money at all. Hope you will never have your own casino.

 

[same_old]

Meh!, this isnt getting any where anymore, dead thread i think, the matter has been resolved 5 pages ago, nothing new to add in here is there???

Just poo slinging at each other now.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Again and again! First, the fact that I asked to excuse me for being abusive does not necessary mean that I was abusive. Sometimes POLITE ppl ask to excuse them even for things they did not mean to do. If I was a really rude person- I would never ask for excuse.
Second, and the most important- I was robbed by that casino at the time I wrote my "abusive" posts. And the use of words like robbery,forgery and liars was more than appropriate. When, after weeks, the casino aknowledged that they were wrong (pay attention- they were first to aknowledge it-not me) - then I was ready to take my words back.
Thirdly, regarding your words that if you were in place of 32 red managers then you would never pay me. I have no doubts about that. You would manage absolutely rogue and evil casino since you seem not to have any respect to other peoples' money at all. Hope you will never have your own casino.

Now why are you attacking Nifty? I think its safe to say members here are entitled to say what they are feeling. There is no need for the personal attacks. Keep this up your name will be red soon. First of all you didn't go the proper channels of getting your issue resolved, second you started the personal attacks. Do you really expect people to help you if you all upset and whatnot? If I had a problem with a casino I would take an adult approach to the situation instead of acting like a 5 year old. Its not fair to the casino and not fair to the members when people act as such.

 

[maxd]

If I was a really rude person- I would never ask for excuse.

Being rude and then saying "oh, excuse me if you thought I was being rude" is the oldest dodge in the book. Asking to be excused and meaning it are two very different things.

I was robbed by that casino at the time I wrote my "abusive" posts. And the use of words like robbery,forgery and liars was more than appropriate.

No, at the time you wrote your post you were having a problem at the casino. How you chose to react to and present that problem is exactly the issue. Judging from your reputation here -- -60ish and falling -- I think it would be fair to say that we and your peers on this forum are trying to send you a message about your attitude and the ways you've chosen to express yourself.

 

[Tengil]

Now after reading the last posts I must say that those who have acted in the most childish way are those who have given Rado16 negative reputation. You have gone below his level IMO

He hasnt attacked any member or called anyone an asshole. He didnt choose his words wisely in his complaint, but the only one that could be offended is 32Red.

Get real

 

[Nifty29]

Now after reading the last posts I must say that those who have acted in the most childish way are those who have given Rado16 negative reputation. You have gone below his level IMO

He hasnt attacked any member or called anyone an asshole. He didnt choose his words wisely in his complaint, but the only one that could be offended is 32Red.

Get real

Well Spider that is your opinion and I respect that, but I wholeheartedly disagree.

The Forum rules state:

Reputation is a way of rating users depending on the quality of their posts.

It is a personal call if a member doesnt appreciate the content of what another member has posted. I rarely give negative rep...only when I believe it is truly deserved.

A member has the right to give any negative rep, just as you have the right to object. There is nothing childish about it - its called freedom of expression....HOWEVER.....with freedom comes responsibility which is something I believe the OP doesnt understand.

 

[maxd]

... those who have acted in the most childish way are those who have given Rado16 negative reputation.

That's basically what it's there for, to flag a specific post as being below the minimum standard of behaviour expected here on the boards. As one who has done exactly what you've described I'm curious to hear why you would say it is "most childish".

 

[Rusty]

Well what a palaver.
I guess even rude, dislikeable people can be right but it sure makes it more difficult to see their point of view.

I don't agree with Nifty that a Casino should not pay because the customer was rude after they feel they have been shafted, talk about adding insult to injury, that is no basis on which to judge a case.

I see where the sentiment comes from though, some people seem to deserve justice much less than others but then we would be discriminating and who decides what the criteria of deserving is?

If Rado goes away and takes an unbiased look at this thread he will see that he has been relying on the good spirit and will of others while offering none of those qualities himself.

 

[Nifty29]

I don't agree with Nifty that a Casino should not pay because the customer was rude after they feel they have been shafted, talk about adding insult to injury, that is no basis on which to judge a case.

What I meant by that is the casino, along with any other casino, has a term which says 'Malfuntion voids all pays and plays' which covers them in case the software goes barmy. If the casino decided to invoke that universal term, it would be pretty tough to argue against.....however the casino can also make a judgement call (like 32Red did) to actually pay the player his winnings and try to re-build thr customer relationship. All I was saying is that if I were the casino, given everything the OP said publicly and the accusations he made, I would have invoked the malfunction clause , give him his money back and closed his account. Again, its just my opinion.

Also, there is a difference between being a bit rude and calling someone a criminal. 32Red has never done anything to deserve such an attack.

At no time did I say that the OP didnt have a case - he certainly was right to complain and have it investigated. I would have done the same for sure. However, I would have 1)PMed Pat, and/or 2)PAB...and Im sure any reasonable CM member would have.

I just dont like seeing an operator who has done everything possible to build a great reputation as an honest and reliable casino have its name besmirched by someone who doesnt know how to behave like a responsible adult.

If Rado goes away and takes an unbiased look at this thread he will see that he has been relying on the good spirit and will of others while offering none of those qualities himself.

Very well said.