32Red - problems that need sorting

[ChopleyIOM]

Please show me where Microgaming state that AWPs are completely random?
(They are definitely NOT - so MG better not be saying that they are anywhere)
KK

Where does it say they're not?

As ever with MG, they basically don't tell you anything, and AWPs are certainly not categorised separately when it comes to the overall slots RTP.

If the AWPs are non-random and beatable, but are considered just another slot, can the RTPs of the other random slots be adjusted to compensate if the AWPs take a battering?

This is one of my points here, I'm not saying that MG's slots don't have a 95% RTP overall, but I am wondering how and where they make that 95% from.

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[shanetospin]

This is what I mean, I put a post of which is "my experience" and my "opinion" and all of a sudden people start being defenceless like they are on commission or something! the whole point is that its only one MG casino I have problems with and its only 32Red I choose to play at as I trust them more than other casinos out there (still do). The errors I get are a pain in the ass, I never stated anywhere that I blame 32Red, so why people start commenting saying things on the line of its not 32Reds fault its MG is beyond me. I see the people that are quick to defend are those who seem to win big, not that that bothers me but it the fact that clearly you are going to have different opinions on the matter- especially if you don't experience the problem or even play at the same casino!

Its always the same, "errors wont change the outcome of a spin" "there's always people complaining because they loose" its all crap to be honest. Not one is my opening of this thread did I say anything on the lines of I believe its affected my outcome nor have I moaned because I've lost money! in fact all i have done is moan about the errors, and gave my opinion- my PERSONAL OPINION that I believe since the update that the game has just not played the same. It really annoys me that people get so offensive over it when others have said exactly the same thing as me.

I think that others need to actually read what has been put by people, and there experience and opinions before twisting things and replying with assumptions!

 

[KasinoKing]

If the AWPs are non-random and beatable, but are considered just another slot, can the RTPs of the other random slots be adjusted to compensate if the AWPs take a battering?

They are not random in the way the video slots are - but they still do have a fixed RTP %.
It's just that they achieve it in a completely different way.

KK

 

[ChopleyIOM]

They are not random in the way the video slots are - but they still do have a fixed RTP %.
It's just that they achieve it in a completely different way.

KK

So you're saying they have a compensated RTP* then, i.e. they actually target their percentage payout? Does that mean that each player's session on one of the MG AWPs is not independent from every other session?

* i.e. The same way that traditional land-based UK AWPs always have? Such games have always been vulnerable to manipulation and player advantage.

 

[vinylweatherman]

So you're saying they have a compensated RTP* then, i.e. they actually target their percentage payout? Does that mean that each player's session on one of the MG AWPs is not independent from every other session?

* i.e. The same way that traditional land-based UK AWPs always have? Such games have always been vulnerable to manipulation and player advantage.

Spot on!!!

They are not all the same, but quite a few are blatantly compensated games, and just like Fruities, playing them over the long term will allow you to learn the patterns, and get a feel for what is coming next.

As for outright manipulators and emptiers, not found one yet, but since these games are programmed to compensate, the possibilty exists that there could be a "steal", manipulator, or maybe even an emptier (where a win can be taken that does not get counted by the compensator).

If I find one, I will probably get banned by large numbers of MGS casinos, or a game will vanish without proper explanation and never come back - which brings me nicely on to Treasure Ireland, launched in EVERY Viper lobby, and then pulled in December 2009 because a "problem" was found with it. The problem was expected to take a couple of weeks to fix, yet the game has yet to come back to the majority of Viper casinos, even though all the others (except Gee Gees) that were pulled in Dec 2009 trickled back over the next year or two. Where it did come back, and quickly in some cases, it had changed the patterns that I used to predict what kind of "mood" it was in.

MGS are backed into a corner. Banning me would show that they had no confidence in the AWP platform, so other than an isolated "investigation" by Prime casino, I have been paid from AWP wins as normal.


Perhaps they feel that chipping them every now and then will prevent players learning how to beat them, a similar attitude to that taken by the likes of Barcrest, who repeatedly "chip" games so that players don't get overly familiar with the patterns, like knowing whether you have that "£70 board" on DOND even though you can't see the value.

 

[Nifty29]

This is what I mean, I put a post of which is "my experience" and my "opinion" and all of a sudden people start being defenceless like they are on commission or something! the whole point is that its only one MG casino I have problems with and its only 32Red I choose to play at as I trust them more than other casinos out there (still do). The errors I get are a pain in the ass, I never stated anywhere that I blame 32Red, so why people start commenting saying things on the line of its not 32Reds fault its MG is beyond me. I see the people that are quick to defend are those who seem to win big, not that that bothers me but it the fact that clearly you are going to have different opinions on the matter- especially if you don't experience the problem or even play at the same casino!

Its always the same, "errors wont change the outcome of a spin" "there's always people complaining because they loose" its all crap to be honest. Not one is my opening of this thread did I say anything on the lines of I believe its affected my outcome nor have I moaned because I've lost money! in fact all i have done is moan about the errors, and gave my opinion- my PERSONAL OPINION that I believe since the update that the game has just not played the same. It really annoys me that people get so offensive over it when others have said exactly the same thing as me.

I think that others need to actually read what has been put by people, and there experience and opinions before twisting things and replying with assumptions!

Defenceless? Eh? You lost me.

Most people who whine are just complaining because they LOSE (not loose).

Just because someone posts a big win, doesn't mean they aren't losing. You have the right to post your opinion, just as others have the right to challenge it....if you don't want to be challenged or questioned, then don't publically express your opinion.

 

[Tirilej]

Defenceless? Eh? You lost me.

Most people who whine are just complaining because they LOSE (not loose).

Just because someone posts a big win, doesn't mean they aren't losing. You have the right to post your opinion, just as others have the right to challenge it....if you don't want to be challenged or questioned, then don't publically express your opinion.

I understand his frustration. What he really wanted to whine about, and maybe get some help with, was the errors that he has when playing at 32Red. He should maybe have chosen to just write about that.

Others took their chance to whine a little too, but not about the errors, but about the other things he had mentioned.

I agree that we can't expect a thread to always go in the direction we wants to, but maybe we not always shows the OP the respect he deserves. We answer someone elses post in the thread instead, and from there it leads nowhere to an answer of the OP's question or a discussion about his post.

I have been disappointed too when my threads has been "destroyed", but I'm sure I have derailed some threads also
Just some things to think about...