32Red - $6.25 Max Bet

[WonOneOnce]

People defending casinos and saying they should be allowed to create win-win situations for themselves is fair?

You guys are ridiculous. Even the most reputable casinos hide their dodgy terms and conditions within blocks of text.

Why don't they update their front page banners with: MAX BET £6.25. ???

Telling people to read the terms and conditions is stupid when most casinos have: General terms and conditions page, Bonus terms and conditions page, specific bonus promotion terms and conditions page, and to add to the insult, some have an extra "excluded games page".

Everything is done on purpose. You can tell people to play without a bonus as much as you want, but these promotions are done on purpose to attract players. But as soon as customers join, they just become victims.

Next you are going to tell me that the casino that stole over £2 million jackpot winnings because off rogue terms and conditions are well within their right too.

The line between reputable and rogue casinos is ridiculously thin with terms like that.

I totally agree!

I didn't even know having a "Max Bet" was even a thing till last week.

When I signed up I spoke to LiveChat and asked what the Wagering was for the bonus and went on my way, they never mentioned that there was a Max Bet. Are we just supposed to be born with the knowledge that we need to search and read the entire T@C's. They should make it clearer when accepting the bonus.

Also if there is a Max Bet when accepting the Bonus, then why don't they just cap the bet limit in their software while you're still Wagering??? Oh that's right, they want the unaware people to get caught out and lose their "winnings".

Can't believe people are actually defending them. Obviously now I know to read the t@c's when joining/accepting bonuses, but what about all the average Joe's joining totally unaware of this? Guess it's their fault

 

[chiya]

What do you think T&C stands for? Terms and Conditions. They are the Terms and Conditions that you agreed upon to when you registered at the casino, and you were supposed to read them upon registration. Obviously no one reads the T&C because lazy, but that's precisely why they can do what they are doing - Because you're not reading the T&C like you're supposed to. While I agree that nowadays Casinos are even more and more sneaky with how terms are presented at their site, it is still the players responsibility to read the terms. As far as playing with a bonus goes, no one is demanding you to read the whole T&C. Most of the time the T&C do not even mention anything about bonuses .. It is the campaign specific terms you must read that can easily be found under the bonus page, or the general bonus terms. As far as 32Red goes, they don't hide their terms.. they are very easy to view.

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is the page for the Welcome Bonus, where the Terms & Conditions can easily be viewed by clicking on the tab .. which then will clearly display the terms. The clause 6 clearly says that max bet is 6,25. And by taking the bonus you've agreed to the terms so if you didn't read them then that's your problem - not theirs.

IF their terms was hidden from plain sight then I'd agree with you but this is not the case at 32Red.

Converting your £2000 into a bonus money with 40x wagering is very generous considering a less reputable casino would've simply voided your winnings and some would even refuse to return your deposit - Which all are within their rights. When you initially deposited and got your bonus the wagering was 40x. It hasn't changed from then - only your starting balance is bigger.

 

[Tirilej]

I totally agree!

I didn't even know having a "Max Bet" was even a thing till last week.

When I signed up I spoke to LiveChat and asked what the Wagering was for the bonus and went on my way, they never mentioned that there was a Max Bet. Are we just supposed to be born with the knowledge that we need to search and read the entire T@C's. They should make it clearer when accepting the bonus.

Also if there is a Max Bet when accepting the Bonus, then why don't they just cap the bet limit in their software while you're still Wagering??? Oh that's right, they want the unaware people to get caught out and lose their "winnings".

Can't believe people are actually defending them. Obviously now I know to read the t@c's when joining/accepting bonuses, but what about all the average Joe's joining totally unaware of this? Guess it's their fault

Guess it's your own fault.
They only have the max bet on sign up bonuses, which makes it difficult to have a cap just for new members. They are offering bonuses every day.

Just read those rules next time you sign up anywhere or don't play! Your choice.

 

[WonOneOnce]

You can defend them all you want.

Funny how no one is addressing why they don't just cap the bet limit in their software while you're still Wagering the welcome bonus. And don't say "It's hard", it's really not.

Anyway to conclude, I know it's my fault. I just think more should be done to notify new players of the main restrictions (Wager/Max Bet).

 

[dada55]

Nice doom and gloom post.

The only people who are ridiculous are the ones that sign up with a bonus and think the casino are giving them 100% match with no terms. In what world does a business just give you $500 and say have a great time, no worries!

If any reputable casino have dodgy terms or even hidden for that matter, alot of the members here will point it out and suggest it be fixed. So no we dont just blindly defend casinos. I know many reputable casinos that have told me right in chat or in my welcome email "please read the terms" "terms and conditions apply" so I find your post incredibly misleading

Nice reading between the lines.

I'm not against the terms and conditions, I'm against the practise of hiding VERY IMPORTANT details such as max bet. how hard is that to understand?

Lets see, a "reputable" casino like 32red (LOL):

Go on main site, see new player promotion - Click the promotion. Now I have to click to expand the terms and conditions. Next I read a very incoherent and long winded terms that I could use to fill my word count doing essays. Get to point 3 - oh wait it leads to more terms and conditions about excluded slots and games weighting.

After 5 mostly useless terms, we get to term 6. Term 6 starts blabbing on about which countries are allowed to take advantage of the bonus ( Yet another link to more terms). Only then does it state the max bet term! It's hidden in such a massive block of text, you would have to use a microscope to find it. Why not make it bold at least?

If you genuinely believe that casinos don't hide these terms on purpose, then I don't know what to say really.

Now to repeat, I'm perfectly happy for casinos to have these terms and conditions, BUT IMPORTANT STUFF that affect the way you can play should be clearly visible.

Why not have this in big letters on every deposit bonus promotion: (just an example)
MAX BET: £6.25
JACKPOT GAMES EXCLUDED
DO NOT LOWER STAKE BY MORE THAN 50% AFTER BIG WIN
-See full terms and conditions for full details.


Or even better, why not make it impossible to play excluded games, impossible to bet over the max bet rule?


Next you are going to tell me: Well since you know all these terms exist, why do you not research them prior to playing with a bonus:

1) I and you may know these exist, do new players like the OP know? How could a new casino player ever know about all the dodgy stuff casinos do?
2) Like I said already, casinos often change their terms and have different terms for different promotions and it can be very hard to find all the details because each casino uses their own wording and often hides important details within blocks of text.

Finally- why even play with bonuses?
- Bonuses are 99% -EV, especially with the max bet rules, HOWEVER, people like them because it allows them to play longer for the same amount of deposit. Or it gives you the chance to play slightly larger stakes and hope for a slightly bigger win.


Its very simple for casinos to make it right, they just don't want to. Wonder why that is -.-