32 Red Malfunction ?

[AFlansburg]

if the casino had already said it wasn't a malfunction? If it was a photoshop job then you have nothing to gain and everything to lose by posting it publically so would Wayram really do that if it was pshopped?

The casino said it was not a malfunction, and from thier point of view(Your Playcheck) there was no malfunction.

It's like i said before, it is a video glitch on the client side. As I have seen it a few times but it has been awhile. It may have somthing to do with logging off a game in the middle of a spin, then quickly logging back into the game. I have been know to do that! lol

AFlansburg

 

[AFlansburg]

Secret admirer has been around the block. It is an MG permanant fixture, and has been road tested at hundreds of casinos. Its a tried and tested 9 line game. With millions of spins around the world each day with no reported problems, apart from 1 guy who clearly has long standing issues with MG.
Bit of a coincidence if you ask me.

If this so called glitch was genuine, then it is highly unlikely to be a one off, this problem would have surfaced before, or perhaps its an event that only occurs every 100 billion spins! The most likely scenario is that the player spotted an opportunity when 4 hearts lined up on reels 2-5. Then simply substituted the 8 on reel 1 for a heart. People pull these capers all the time, it even happens on the National Lottery all the time!
Especially around Christmas when people may be a bit short of money.

There are an element of players that want events like this to be proven genuine, so it can help them explain away their own MG frustrations, also so they can cry "see I told you all along the games are rigged"!

Mike

permanant fixture.... Your right about that!

So then when the "K"'s & "J"'s & "10"'s and "8"s are DOUBLING UP in a single reel, and taking away a chance to get 5 of somthing other then k's or j's??

If symbols were supposed to double up, then ALL the symbols should double up, and not just the low tier symbols. Am I just being stupid, or should we as players just accept this? Im not trying to stir the pot or start an "International Inccident", But You cant tell Me it's fair.

AFlansburg

 

[wayram]

You guys amaze me..All I did was post a thread and screenshot entitled "32red Malfunction?..asking was it a malfunction or not., I felt it was a winner but playcheck says it is not. AS far as I am concerned I will accept the umpires decision. What I did not expect is the fact that so many of you and not just Mr Nifty suggesting that this is a fraud after me stating so many times that it is not, and I can sleep at night because I know that it was not touched in any way shape or form. But you guys keep stating that I must have done something, Aussie Dave, LinkinFart, Nifty all strongly suggesting it is fraudulent. Aflansburg and Bencuri seem to be the only ones that agree with me that it was not. Again IT WAS NOT PHOTOSHOPPED. I have reached the stage where I dont really care what you guys say about the matter. Wildfire 7 what relevance has this thred got to do with any of my previous threads, if I am not happy with what has gone on with a session at a casino and it is not just MG and I air my views why would I try as you seem to suggest to have it in for a MG casino and try and defraud them, what has happened in the past is not relevant to this thread.

 

[Nifty29]

AS far as I am concerned I will accept the umpires decision.

Do you mean you accept it is not a winner and never was?

 

[pmhcfc]

Do you mean you accept it is not a winner and never was?

Interesting read this thread...

Can someone just clear something up for me cos I is confused...In post #60 (the spin before 'the' spin) the credit is 142.33 yet one spin later it's 33.37 ...Anyone?

(Im not accusing anyone of anything here, it's a genuine question because I may well have missed something that's obvious to everyone else)

EDIT: oops..I guess that just means that 142.33 was what was in the account at the time of that 2nd screenshot- Am assuming player redeposited again...sorry, I think I got it now

 

[just play]

I know that it was not touched in any way shape or form.

I believe you Wayram, I do not think you touched it.


One thing I don't understand is...posters have been saying if it's a malfunction all bets are void, why does that fall on the player? Shouldn't it fall on the casino? It's their business, we are putting our money in a business.

For instance....I'm in a restaurant and the cook is cooking my steak (ordered well) the stove has a malfunction and the waitress delivers it to me all bloody rare and says sorry, the stove had a malfunction, and you still have to pay for it.

 

[retlaw]

Someone is innocent until it has been proven he(or she) isn't.

So far I have not seen any proof that wayram has done something wrong.
If you cannot prove that wayram did some Photoshopping, then don't judge him!!!

What I know for sure, is that Microgaming is full of bugs, so why this could not be another bug?
The fact that they even don't bother about these bugs, although they have been informed about it since many years, is suspiciously

 

[Simmo!]

Can someone just clear something up for me cos I is confused...In post #60 (the spin before 'the' spin) the credit is 142.33 yet one spin later it's 33.37 ...Anyone?

Red Herring. That's the current balance of the player, not the balance at the time of the Playcheck screenshot.

Someone is innocent until it has been proven he(or she) isn't.

Absolutely right, but people are entitled to speculate IMO as long as it doesn't get too personal. Indeed, speculative arguments from both sides of the fence should be examined in a debate. In this particular instance, it's not that cut and dried either because of the discrepancies between the screenshot and what actually happens. Not saying it's not a bug, but if it is, it's a very unusual one combining odd reel line-ups and display faults.

@Wayram: one more question (I may have missed it). Did you physically notice the first reel not spinning? If so, was it the whole reel or just the one symbol? If not, did the animation appear normal?

 

[wayram]

Simmo as far as I know the reel was not sticking, I have mentioned this before.

 

[Wildfire7]

You guys amaze me..All I did was post a thread and screenshot entitled "32red Malfunction?..asking was it a malfunction or not., I felt it was a winner but playcheck says it is not. AS far as I am concerned I will accept the umpires decision. What I did not expect is the fact that so many of you and not just Mr Nifty suggesting that this is a fraud after me stating so many times that it is not, and I can sleep at night because I know that it was not touched in any way shape or form. But you guys keep stating that I must have done something, Aussie Dave, LinkinFart, Nifty all strongly suggesting it is fraudulent. Aflansburg and Bencuri seem to be the only ones that agree with me that it was not. Again IT WAS NOT PHOTOSHOPPED. I have reached the stage where I dont really care what you guys say about the matter. Wildfire 7 what relevance has this thred got to do with any of my previous threads, if I am not happy with what has gone on with a session at a casino and it is not just MG and I air my views why would I try as you seem to suggest to have it in for a MG casino and try and defraud them, what has happened in the past is not relevant to this thread.

I beg to differ, in my post I was sharing my own opinion on what I considered could be a likely scenario. You seem to be under the illusion this is some kind of court where you are being tried in the dock. You have chosen to go public with this in a public forum, so you should not be surprised when the issue you have raised comes under some scrutiny.

Previous character I feel is pertinent to this discussion. In all walks of life it becomes relevent when taking a view on an issue. Whether it be applying for jobs with vunerable people or working in the financial sector, a police enquiry or even in a court of law. Past events do get checked out, so as to build a picture of an individuals character.

The examples I have highlighted from your previous posts are all in the public domain, they are all true because you wrote them. What I think you are objecting to, is the fact that I have brought this up because it might show you in a more unfavourable light.

From the initial opening exchanges on this thread you were more than happy to contribute in a positive manner. However as soon as posts are made which question the validity of your argument, you seem more intent on lowering the debate to a slanging match, when in fact all people are doing is offering their own thoughts and views on the matter.

For me this case reminds me of the boy who cried wolf too many times. Then when the wolf really was on the hill, people were relectant to help.


just play

One thing I don't understand is...posters have been saying if it's a malfunction all bets are void, why does that fall on the player? Shouldn't it fall on the casino? It's their business, we are putting our money in a business.

For instance....I'm in a restaurant and the cook is cooking my steak (ordered well) the stove has a malfunction and the waitress delivers it to me all bloody rare and says sorry, the stove had a malfunction, and you still have to pay for it.

The difference here is that a malfunction problem is always listed in the casinos T&C's and made pretty clear. This works both ways a malfunction can void wins or losses. With the original stake refunded.

Retlaw

Someone is innocent until it has been proven he(or she) isn't.

So far I have not seen any proof that wayram has done something wrong.
If you cannot prove that wayram did some Photoshopping, then don't judge him!!!

Nobody is being judgemental, it is a mere collection of opinions from other members of this forum. You can not have a discussion or a debate without exchanging views. Some of which you may agree with, some you won't. There is an old saying on internet forums - take out what you need and leave the rest.

 

[Nifty29]

Also mentioned to support that I would post a thread on CM about this and they said they are dissapointed that I am going to do this but it is up to you.

I think some people are forgetting that the OP threatened 32Red about going public at CM (which is incredibly uncool btw)

Some might call that extortion.

Even if he is 100% correct about the 'game error', that kind of behaviour speaks volumes IMO.

 

[wayram]

Nifty all I said to 32 red was that I would post it on CM. There were no such threats or extrortion you have taken this whole thing out of context. You want blood..well you wont be getting mine. BT

 

[Nifty29]

Nifty all I said to 32 red was that I would post it on CM. There were no such threats or extrortion you have taken this whole thing out of context. You want blood..well you wont be getting mine. BT

Why mention it then? Why not just post it - you dont have to inform them about it beforehand....there is only one reason why anyone would do that.

32Red obviously got the message as they said that they were "dissapointed that I am going to do this". People who 'inform' casinos they are going to post something do it as a bargaining tool, hoping the casino will just say "look here is your $350 now go away".

I dont want 'blood'....sheesh . All I want to see is the truth, which will soon be revealed. I have my $50 ready just in case.

 

[Jasminebed]

I'm inclined to believe Wayram.

But unfortunately, I think the best resolution he will find is the "Malfunction voids all play" and a return of his bet size.

It is my feeling this is a display error, and on his end, since playcheck shows a different result.

I also feel that to tell a casino that you are posting here about them, good or bad, is not a threat, but merely alerting them to the fact.

 

[Simmo!]

One thing I don't understand is...posters have been saying if it's a malfunction all bets are void, why does that fall on the player? Shouldn't it fall on the casino? It's their business, we are putting our money in a business.

For instance....I'm in a restaurant and the cook is cooking my steak (ordered well) the stove has a malfunction and the waitress delivers it to me all bloody rare and says sorry, the stove had a malfunction, and you still have to pay for it.

Two things here: firstly I think you would generally always get offerred your stake ( gerrit? ) back from the casino on a true malfunction, much like you wouldn't be charged in a restaurant. Also, in your analagy, the most the restaurant can lose is the cost of a steak. A casino malfunction could cost the casino thousands, hundreds of thousands even.

 

[just play]

A casino malfunction could cost the casino thousands, hundreds of thousands even

Again, why is this the players fault?


I am in Las Vegas gambling on a slot machine, it has a malfunction and blows up in my face, I get burned 90% of my body.

This is my fault? And according to the casino I will get my 25 cents back and that's it?

 

[Simmo!]

Again, why is this the players fault?

The terms aren't saying it's the players fault. IMO it's the fault of the software provider. But the term is put in the T&C's to prevent you and I from persuing that option. Same principle as an

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[just play]

The terms aren't saying it's the players fault. IMO it's the fault of the software provider. But the term is put in the T&C's to prevent you and I from persuing that option. Same principle as an

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Bad word to use "fault" on my part.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, it just doesn't make sense to me, lets get the player all hyped up from a big win, but oops it was a malfunction.

Yes, fault of the software provider.

Onto another question...why does this happen? Because it's a machine and it just happens once in a while? And if it's in the T&C's they must know it happens, why can't it be fixed?

Thanks for answering all my questions.

 

[just play]

Any news?

 

[funeral979]

This thread raised a pretty serious issue, and it seems to have just died! Microgaming are still looking into this???

 

[funeral979]

BUMP

 

[just play]

Strange how this thread quietly stopped isn't it? Why no update from 32Red or from the original poster or Casinomeister?

 

[winbig]

Strange how this thread quietly stopped isn't it? Why no update from 32Red or from the original poster or Casinomeister?

Probably not much action going on right now. More than likely it's because Christmas and Boxing Day just passed..

 

[Mavin1]

Wow, I just finished skimming through this thread and I have to say it is painful and tragic is so many ways. If I ever ran into a bug where I thought I had a win and the casino disputed it but had a screenshot of my win, I would seriously be affraid to persue it. Being a regular person that only knows to enjoy playing, (which I don't anymore) and ran into a glitch like this I wouldn't know to have all the evidence and thick skin to come through this thread in any brave manner as the poster has had to. I would be saying never mind and running for cover.

Although many of you have valid techinical points, has anyone considered the possibility that with the changes and tweeking MG has been doing to further block us US players may be affecting sparadically the overall functioning of the software, where there's a little glitch here, a little glitch there.
Maybe there have been just the opposite glitch where a player may have won a monster win but his screen didn't show it.

You're talking software, programming and what have you that is programmed by people, "not perfect", programming IMO even less perfect, especially when changes are being made constantly, with additions, blocks, changes in programming, ability to play 3 games now at the same time. I mean really, keep messing with the recipe and after awhile it just doesn't taste or bake the same. Same with computers and programs, keep messing with it and it can be corrupted bits at a time.

And why would anyone try to perpetrate a $350 hiest from a casino? If a person was going to do that surely they would have done it for way more as they could only do it once.

I may complain about a lot of casinos too as many do and the way things are going with them, but I would hate for past opinions to be used against me when I need you all the most.

 

[paulyt]

Again, why is this the players fault?


I am in Las Vegas gambling on a slot machine, it has a malfunction and blows up in my face, I get burned 90% of my body.

This is my fault? And according to the casino I will get my 25 cents back and that's it?

Different kind of malfuntion. I will give you an example of what the casinos mean by 'malfuntion." Here in Australia 2 guys were playing a machine in a pub which was 'linked' to either a pub or state-wide random jackpot(can't remember which). The maximum jackpot was around $8000 with a maximum jackpot of $10,000. These guys won the jackpot but it was displayed on their screen as a jackpot of over $1million (which is impossible to win in Australia.) They took photos but as it was a glitch or "malfunction" they never got their million dollars, I do believe they got the $8000 even though technically they should have got nothing as it clearly says on every single machine "Malfunction avoids all pays and plays"