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32 red £20k 'freeroll'

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by cheekymonkey, Mar 11, 2015.

    Mar 11, 2015
  1. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

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    What is the point of this freeroll when clearly the leaders are buying their way to the top?

    I just don't get it and what's with the 999 continues?
     
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  2. Mar 11, 2015
  3. Jakestar

    Jakestar Senior Member

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    Agreed. Only purpose those MG freerolls serve me is to kill time when I've busted out at Guts.
     
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  4. Mar 11, 2015
  5. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

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    It's pointless, it's the same leaders nearly every time.

    May I be the first to congratulate VWM on the £4k, even though there are still 9 days to go.

    Well done mate, don't spend it all at once! :)
     
  6. Mar 11, 2015
  7. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    agree to whole thread lol :p

    They should do either no re-buys or totally free, not for all tourneys just one here n there.

    Not sure which casinos it was linked to but Digimedia (Jackpot City / Lucky Nugget etc) used to do monthly IR tourney with 20 free re-buys each, totally fair n square:cool:
     
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  8. Mar 11, 2015
  9. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    With the money he's spent 'buying' first prize, he won't have much left to spend anyway...:D

    It's a ridiculous concept of a tournament, 999 continues. All it does it attract people who have the time and funds to play and spend a 4-figure sum chasing a relatively small profit. The only reason Vinyl sees it as low risk is that there are but a few others who choose to do the same as him - therefore guaranteeing him at least most of his money back if not a profit.

    Should there be say 10 people who all copied him, he'd never do it again as there would be far less chance of a placing which would pay a profit.:p
     
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  10. Mar 11, 2015
  11. Tirilej

    Tirilej On a Break

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    As long as they make money on them and the players want them then they will have them ;)

    The rest of us can just keep on complaining about them I guess. I don't bother playing them either. It's just frustrating if you get a good score at the start but then know you can't afford to keep it.

    So let them have them and ask for other tournaments instead.
    We do have the Daily there and that is a great and fair tournament.

    Maybe there is time for a special CM-Tourney again though?:D
     
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  12. Mar 11, 2015
  13. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

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    Yup, good point.

    A freeroll should be just that though, this is not a freeroll by any means. It should be called 20k guaranteed or something, as it's very misleading and will inevitably pull some poor suckers in after they hit a modest win with their free entry.

    Come on 32 red, play fair!
     
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  14. Mar 11, 2015
  15. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Yes, that's my attitude too!

    Have you seen those new tourneys with the yellow logo by them, the 'player prize pot' ones?

    There was one finished today with $2 for the first prize, and only FOUR entrants each paid 60c! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  16. Mar 11, 2015
  17. Tirilej

    Tirilej On a Break

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    Nope, for the simple reason that I would never pay a cent for a tournament
    If I have money to play I choose my normal games and don't even play the freerolls.

    Some like them so let them have it. Some are the casinos and some are MG's. I don't care to be honest :)
     
  18. Mar 11, 2015
  19. xxshepxx

    xxshepxx Senior Member PABnononaccred MM

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    Bit of a farce really, it dangles a carrot in front of people,

    ButlersBingo has the best tourney, if you deposit that week you are entered into a one shot tournament, I've placed well a couple of times, and won £50

    The MG ones are impossible due to high rollers strangling the fun out of it, at least at butlers everyone who plays has the same chance.
     
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  20. Mar 11, 2015
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    This is actually true. It may also be the case that if only 100 continues were allowed, there would be many more players willing to go all the way.

    In this one, first and second place guarantees a profit for 999 continues, so where no one else feels it's worth the bother, it really is an easy £1500 "earnings".

    However, where is Lion? He also tends to "go for it".

    On a more serious note, there has been a new bug introduced by Microgaming, two in fact.

    1) When attempting to purchase a continue when there is insufficient cash available, the client freezes up with the "failed to purchase....due to unknown error". It is impossible to close the error window, close the tournament, visit the bank, or exit the client. It's a task manager only exit. Before this, running out of cash was handled properly. The rebuy or continue button would be greyed out, and the player told they had insufficient funds. It also used to be possible to mouse over the left bottom corner of the tournament screen and see the balance cash/bonus popup. This now no longer works.

    2) Quite often, I get a "double purchase", in that instead of receiving 12000 coins, I receive 24000. I only receive the standard amount of time though. I have checked, and I am properly charged for both continues, and they also deduct two continues from what I have left. However, for someone else who is playing, they just see 24000 coins instead of 12000 showing up after I have run down to zero and purchased a continue. This makes it look as though I am getting double the coins for one continue, and leads to the impression that I would be unbeatable due to the bug allowing me many more coins than should be allowed in total.

    I am sure that if this was raised with Microgaming, they would check my stats and say (quite rightly) that there was "nothing wrong" and that I was receiving the correct number of coins for the number of continues purchased.

    I have noticed that this error seems to be related to the amount of lag on the tournament (an ever present problem that MGS simply fail to address). If the purchase is quick (no lag) I get 12000 coins, but where there is more significant lag, I seem to end up with 24000 coins a fair bit. It has never given more than 24000, not even on one occasion where the lag was SO bad that the purchase hung for a couple of minutes, and then I was booted with "connection to casino server has been lost".


    MGS have at least fixed the earlier bug where it was impossible to launch a tournament from the lobby, however just in case, 32Red have put a permanent launch link to this in the lobby.
     
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  22. Mar 11, 2015
  23. The Viking

    The Viking Ueber Meister MM

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    maybe they are just trying to speed thinks up for you as they know you buy another continue anyway;)
     
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  24. Mar 11, 2015
  25. jimbob

    jimbob Dormant account

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    freeroll

    got about as many wins as i do playing for free money haha so nothing different there, at least its free!!!!
     
  26. Mar 11, 2015
  27. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    This bug is no laughing matter though. It has been causing some discontent among other 32Red players who thought it was somehow giving me an unfair advantage through allowing me more coins than most others. There have been complaints before about players who seem to have found a way to "cheat" the MPV, but in every case MGS have said there is nothing wrong.

    I am now in a position to see this for myself. There really is "nothing wrong" in terms of accounting, but when someone is looking at the scoreboard and seeing that about half the time I get a 24000 coin continue instead of 12000, how can they know that each time it happens I am not getting 12000 extra coins for one continue? This is because the scoreboard does not show the whole story. Indeed if it only showed the win box, and not the coins, this kind of thing would never be spotted. If it showed even more, then someone looking would see that the 24000 coins were from TWO continues.

    In a tournament with less time, or even not enough time, something that was common even a couple of years ago, this bug would put me at a serious DISadvantage, and I would be the one sending a stiffly worded email of complaint to the casino.

    The current problem is that seeing this bug in action might put other players off from even trying, and whilst it would be an easy win for me, the casino would not make as much money as expected through purchases of continues.

    Hopefully, Mark will look into this so as to reassure other players that they do have a fair chance of beating me, .... if they have the £2500 needed to buy 999 continues that is:p
     
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  28. Mar 11, 2015
  29. sscrabble

    sscrabble Experienced Member

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    You must have a hell of a fast computer considering you are suffering from lag - keeping an eye on your scoring while having lunch I saw you managing to play your 80 spins from 24000 in just over 4 minutes - it takes me nearly 3 minutes for 40 spins and I do not have any lag - or is it just the rebuys that give lag, not the play ?
     
  30. Mar 11, 2015
  31. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Play is mostly fine, it is the process of purchasing a continue that seems to lag.

    However, I do occasionally experience lag in play, including a couple of disconnects.

    This PC cost a small fortune, and was bought custom made with Microgaming casinos in mind. It seems that when it comes to the simpler slots, it plays VERY fast indeed. It's not so good when the slots with the more complex and lengthy bonus rounds are used in tournaments. This is a simple "free spins" slot, and I ALWAYS select the 10 spins @ 5x, as it plays though much faster than the other options, but the TRTP of all 4 options is the same. As a general rule, I choose the fastest playing bonus round where a choice is offered.

    When it comes to 32Red though, they seem to have learned to give plenty of time for ALL players to finish their coins, rather than just those with the fast PCs as has been the case in the past, and the driving force behind me buying such a high spec machine.

    Fortune Lounge were notorious for having marathon tournaments with up to 999 continues, although mostly less, with too many coins for even the fastest PC to reliably get through. This gave anyone willing to splash the cash on a fast PC an advantage over the rest, although it seems that several players decided to take this route.

    I am out of the game now due to UK gambling laws, so the Fortune Lounge and Belle Rock marathon tournaments are no longer open to me.


    It seems that casinos run these 999 continue events because it allows the few to "buy" their way to the top, even when this results in an overall loss. It seems that others would prefer a large number of rebuys, and very few continues, so that although some could try to buy their way to the top by using hundreds of rebuys, it would still be possible for a lucky low roller to hit big on just the ONE buy in and its continues.
     
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  32. Mar 12, 2015
  33. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

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    I'm guessing it's costing you around £2.50 per 10,000 coins earned, so to get to where you currently are now has cost you in the region of £1500 or so, maybe more?
     
  34. Mar 12, 2015
  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Easily. The idea is that coming in the top 2 guarantees a profit, and the fact that it's a 999 continue ordeal means that the number of participants willing to go this far is tiny compared to the number entered. Many decide to go for the lower prizes, where there is still profit to be had.

    If more players went all out for the 999 continues, most would suffer losses. If the prizes were higher, the profit potential would be greater, and so more would be going all out for the top.

    An alternative format would be 999 REBUYS at £2.50 each. This might still mean that it's possible to buy first place by taking the best score of 999, but it also opens up the possibility that someone could come top with just their free entry.

    With so many continues, even a 5 reel "shitstorm" isn't enough to get into the top positions where scores are already TWICE what this exceptional event would pay out. In a tournament with limited continues however, such an event would be a 99%+ certainty of victory.

    I once won the Monthly Monster with a 4 reel "wild desire" netting some 300,000 coins. Continues were not necessary. The same thing, a 4 reel champagne cork popping, could win the current 100K network event BECAUSE of the limited continues, despite the large number of rebuys allowed.
     
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  37. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

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    Ok, let's put it this way.

    How many continues do you have left? ;)
     
  38. Mar 12, 2015
  39. hedgehok

    hedgehok Senior Member mm3

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    If he would tell me that I would calculate his current RTP and catch him if he is under ~96%
     

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