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[maxd]

I think it worth mentioning that Marty never once asked for the cold PAB cases related to Virtual. And his employers are most certainly aware of those because they bring them up every time we meet.

By contrast when 32Red took over Golden Lounge that was the first thing they did, even did it before the official announcement if I remember correctly. Same thing was done with their Nedplay purchase.

Virtual has long been trying to get Casinomeister to work for them or with them and have made several attempts at manipulation on the forums to those ends. Marty's recent appearance reeks of being the latest such attempt, IMHO.

 

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I agree that it was bad judgement....but how can the above be considered shilling, and this post by INetBet not?:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/inet.35248/

Marty was doing fine here until he shilled a promotion in this thread. That was bad judgement and something that can't be tolerated here. All that did is help confirm Bryan's suspicions that the sole purpose of Marty's presence here was promotion and to reel back in old players and hook some new ones, under the belief that everything is OK now. Apparently, he is not as reputable as people who were vouching for him thought he was.

 

[Webzcas]

Funeral979 read Max's post directly above yours.

 

[darkpixie]

Funeral I can't speak for CM but I would guess that it is the difference between being accredited one toe out of the rogue pit...

 

[maxd]

Absolutely! It's one thing to have a track record of good and respectable service and do a screw up. It's quite another thing to be Lupo the Butcher and ask to be excused for a spare liver that dropped out of your pocket. Who you gonna trust?

 

[funeral979]

Funeral I can't speak for CM but I would guess that it is the difference between being accredited one toe out of the rogue pit...

Absolutely! It's one thing to have a track record of good and respectable service and do a screw up. It's quite another thing to be Lupo the Butcher and ask to be excused for a spare liver that dropped out of your pocket. Who you gonna trust?

Of course! Im just saying though....it doesn't say "This no place for ads or cloaked promos. Shills and spammers be warned - unless you have accredition status" I guess I just don't like alot of grey area, especially when ones membership is in the balance.

@ Webzcas- Im fairly certain that 99.9% of this forum knows that Virtual will NEVER turn over a new leaf, and I agree. Just because they applaud his actions doesn't mean they are going to hop over there and deposit. I just think we could have seen a little more good done before having the plug pulled.

 

[Casinomeister]

Of course! Im just saying though....it doesn't say "This no place for ads or cloaked promos. Shills and spammers be warned - unless you have accredition status" I guess I just don't like alot of grey area, especially when ones membership is in the balance.

Actually, I cringe when accredited casino reps do this, and I would have normally moved that to the promo section if I caught it in time. If someone had alerted me to that posting, that's what I would have done. Ad copy should not be posted in sections where informational conversations are taking place.

... I just think we could have seen a little more good done before having the plug pulled.

The plug should have never been plugged into our outlets to begin with. This announcement was only motivated by their marketing arm. Please note that this was not a casino manager, but their "affiliate" manager.

Their casino has every tool available to pay out whomever they want to pay. They have their database, and they have their payment records. If they were really determined to pay their players, they would not make a public stink about this and just send a mass mail to their players. Why use the pubic fora? Because it puts them back on the radar.

A handful of players were paid - and that's fine. If there are any more, well I've provided the links to their dispute channel. It's time to make that system work.

 

[suzecat]

Marty came to the forum to assist players with unresolved payment issues. And for the most part we helped direct him to those players. So far so good. He began dodging IMO the acepedro situation amd instead decided to shill. Not cool and what did that do to assist unpaid players? Nada, nothing. Frankly CM was obliging as long as Marty's initial reason for being here was followed. When Marty took advantage of CM's good nature, well then he was shown the door.

 

[maxd]

...it doesn't say "This no place for ads or cloaked promos. Shills and spammers be warned - unless you have accredition status" I guess I just don't like alot of grey area, especially when ones membership is in the balance.

I think it's a "tip of the iceberg" situation. Marty's shilling comes with a very large body of miscreant behaviour behind it. Not him personally but the peeps he represents. It comes, as it were, after years of damage done.

The Inetbet thing, though somewhat inappropriate, comes with no such context: tip, no iceberg. Therefor the difference in reaction is pretty obviously reasonable.

As to not liking they greys ... life must really piss you off then, no? I mean, life is pretty much all one grey or another isn't it?

And the membership in Marty's case is a professional one: totally different thing that a private, personal membership. Bryan's move was about the business groups involved not Marty personally.

I just think we could have seen a little more good done before having the plug pulled.

It's not like the guy has been put down or anything, if he's set on doing good deeds it's hard to imagine that Casinomeister is his only venue for that. Again, Bryan pulled the plug on suspicious business activity based on years of experience with the parties involved. In the greater scheme of things Marty's PM box is pretty small potatoes.

Marty came to the forum to assist players with unresolved payment issues. ... Marty took advantage of CM's good nature, well then he was shown the door.

I don't mean to be contrary Suze but I think the way it ended has no small thing to do with the way it started. I personally don't believe that it's nearly as simple as "Marty came to the forum to assist players". I think, and I'm saying "I think", Marty came here as part of a planned, coordinated scheme to use Casinomeister to raise goodwill and profit for a group that Casinomeister has repeatedly refused to get down and dirty with. In short, they snookered us all, as least for a while.

Trust me, there is a river of history behind this and if the group's intentions were nearly as pure as Marty & Co. would have us believe they could have done this legit, properly and to much greater effect. That fact that things have stumbled and turned sour has a lot more to do with where this whole thing started than it has to do with Bryan's boot for Marty.

 

[chuchu59]

Actually, now that Marty is no longer a member at casinomeisterland I would like to see if he continues with his pledge to help unpaid players. If so, kudos to him and hopefully more ripped-off players get their dues. If not, well let's just say he was using this place as a platform as a shill for Virtual.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Hmm that bonus Marty posted does look a little too good to be true to me.

 

[Tengil]

Hmm that bonus Marty posted does look a little too good to be true to me.

I guess most that would take it wouldnt "know" how to play it. Even if they were to pay all players (yeah right) it wouldnt be so risky for them.

 

[Luckylizzy]

you know what they say- If something sounds too good to be true, It probably is. And if it is completely true, than the casino is going to lose too much money on this which in the end is bad for players.

 

[Mavin1]

I have to disagree with you quite strongly on this point. Whilst Marty as an individual was probably commited to get all known issues resolved, he is I am afraid a pawn in this whole exercise. Which started with the PR sent out by Lyceum Media, lauding Gambling Wages and Virtual turning over a new leaf. As part of that PR was a promotion in association with Casino Affiliate Programs to entice new affiliate webmasters to sign up and start promoting the Virtual Casino Group.

This also got a lot of positive coverage and spin on sites such as Calvin Ayre and Gambling 911. In short, it showed Virtual ala Gambling Wages in an extremely good light and glossed over the real issues, which have been ongoing for a decade.

It is clear from this thread alone, that many long standing members of CasinoMeister had been taken in by the moves GW/Virtual had made. Yet clearly forgetting that there are many players that are owed considerable amounts of money still.

If Virtual/GW were of the mindset to do the right thing and truly change their business practices. They should have run a report on their player databases to ascertain exactly who was owed and paid said players promptly.

Instead, we have Marty promising to pay players that contact him here on the forum. Thus getting some positive feedback from individuals who do get paid out and in turn Virtual being lauded in parts by some on this forum. Forgetting the small fact that there are still many many players, owed countless amounts of money.

This is not right and looking at it objectively, Virtual/GW were using this forum for their own means. Not good IMO.

If 32Red can take over a casino such as Golden Lounge and pay off all players owed money, and not just a small percentage of them that contact them in the fora environment. Then Virtual should also do the same.

Once Virtual have cleaned up their mess then, and only then should they be treated as a casino business on the level.

Thanks to posts like this from Webzcas, Maxd and others, it certainly enlightens a forum member such as myself that finds it difficult to fully understand or see the whole picture.
I guess at times I may look at a picture through rose colored glasses and not notice the web that surrounds the entire picture.
Being plainly a player and nothing more, but willing to learn, it is easy to root for the guy that makes himself appear the hero and by trying to cloak oneself as the hero, many of us that didn't realize the full impact of what is involved here end up with mixed feelings on the subject.
I guess some of us want a hero in some situations, but the fact is that when the hero has strings to make him walk, talk and fly, then he is not really a hero afterall.

 

[suzecat]

I don't mean to be contrary Suze but I think the way it ended has no small thing to do with the way it started. I personally don't believe that it's nearly as simple as "Marty came to the forum to assist players". I think, and I'm saying "I think", Marty came here as part of a planned, coordinated scheme to use Casinomeister to raise goodwill and profit for a group that Casinomeister has repeatedly refused to get down and dirty with. In short, they snookered us all, as least for a while.

Trust me, there is a river of history behind this and if the group's intentions were nearly as pure as Marty & Co. would have us believe they could have done this legit, properly and to much greater effect. That fact that things have stumbled and turned sour has a lot more to do with where this whole thing started than it has to do with Bryan's boot for Marty.

No doubt those words needed to be said by someone who could voice it without repercussion.