3 Dice today. Looking for a shoulder to cry on...

[julester]

A sense of perspective......

...this is just my opinion, shout me down if you wish. I could go into more detail but I won't.

As a gambler, compulsive or otherwise, it is an individuals responsibility to ensure that they are in control of what they are doing. Just because someone is addicted doesnt mean that they lose their responsibility. It means it becomes harder, something seemingly impossible. But let me put this spin on it. If someone can post on here, they can contact Gamblers Anonymous or the like. They can speak to their husband. They can seek additional help BUT (and this is the big one) ONLY if they truly want to. This is NOT about feeling unsympathetic, non empathic etc. It is about the reality of life.

As a casino manager or a pub / bar landlord etc, I believe there is a responsibility to ensure that where an individual shows signs of distress, they need to take the appropriate action. They are not the guardians of how we choose to spend our money. Candidly, that is not there problem. It only becomes a problem if they are directly involved in something that they know is starting to cause someone harm - emotional or otherwise.

I understand the cries for help and I will be criticised for saying this. Fleur posting on the forum in this way is, in my opinion, a form of attention seeking verification. I don't mean that in negative way. The soothing 'sympathetic' comments act as a 'drug' which will probably result in a calming down and then more deposits somewhere else in the hours / days to come. At the risk of repeating myself, if she really, truly wants to do something about this habit she will.

I speak from the heart and wish her all the very best. Trust me, anything is truly possible if you really want it to happen.and work on it. Small steps at a time and you will get there.

J

 

[mysticjoz]

It isnt enzo' fault if you lose - I have lost on here also - but trust me there are times when i have won a lot i took $10 up to 1900 but by playing small money and then raising the stake as I won. There are also times I have won more in cash tourneys than i have deposited. Raising bets only asks for trouble if you are not 'hitting' that day. Start small - build up.

Enzo and his staff have been more than good to all members - giving bonuses when people have lost - what other casino does that - the support is fantastic and there is no online casino which invests as much in its members as 3Dice so please leave it alone - dont try to tarnish a good casino cos you had bad luck - we all get bad days - you cant win all the time

All I have to say is WELL DONE ENZO AND CREW FOR BEST ONLINE CASINO

Yes Zenetia.. we have all been there won that. I suggest you read Fleurs first post before you assume anything.
If a player is crying out for help because they are just about ready to kill themselves over losing so much money.. You bait them with more bonuses and get them to deposit again??!!!
Well that puts a whole new meaning to "Great Customer Service" Yes.. Well done to enzo and his crew for pushing someone who is very close to the edge right on over it.

We have all been there where you are right now Zenetia. .. unfortunately you will have to learn for yourself like the rest of us did. But I will not have you Dis me for trying to help out a friend and forum member.

I know you all want to defend 3dice and tell Fleur about her gambling problem ... IMO it is bait. It's like giving a recovering alcoholic a beer.. sometimes it's too good to resist. AND you guys should know that those freebies ARE too good to resist.. Which sucks her right back in!! IMO it's morally wrong.
my two cents.

 

[nihtolouloudo]

Why would you do that Enzo? Fleur had us all worried for her own safety with her last huge loss to 3Dice.
I have nothing against you giving bonuses to players, but when that bonus is lost and they AGAIN deposit to see they will only lose more there. Then IMHO it's just bait!!!

I am saying this because I truly, truly care about fleur and all the other players here. I have NOTHING to benefit from this post except saving someone from possibly killing themselves because they went so far into debt at your casino they could not live with what they did.

Fleurs post here was a cry for help IMO, she was so down she sounded like she really was ready to "off herself" SO YOU gave her a bonus.. and she fell for your bonus bait once again. Enough is Enough.

Sorry guys, are you really aware of the risks of gambling???
If one has personal problems shouldn't gamble in the first place! Before starting blaming casinos for no reason at all, you better try to find the reason that makes YOU gamble. Be honest to yourself and stop moaning. NO ONE FORCES YOU TO DEPOSIT with any casino!
Just be fair! I don't think that 3dice is gonna break down if you don't deposit with them. And no one that likes 3dice will stop depositing with them, because you complain. So what is this all about?

There are 4 casinos I like and these are the only ones I am depositing with (Bodog, Lasseters/AusVegas, 3dice and Villa Fortuna). I had at least 40 accounts with different casinos (but closed them all). They are all the same. Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. I am always happy to break even. I pay for my entertainment. I don't pay for my winning. What is so difficult to accept and understand? If you can spend time on gambling then spend some time on thinking sensible too!

If you do care about fleur and the other ones that complain then make them stop depositing and help them get back to real life! Posting here doesn't help them in any way. It only makes you feel better, because you need to vent. Wrong opportunity, wrong place .

Have a nice day and stop gambling if you can't take the loss !

 

[Fleur-De-Lis]

Guys... Let's stop here. Simmo!, may you please close this thread? Thank you

 

[julester]

Guys... Let's stop here. Simmo!, may you please close this thread? Thank you

Can I ask a question? Do you wish the thread to stop because you are not reading what you want to hear? I don't mean this is a negative way. Some of the thread contains relevant information that could potentially help other people, if not yourself.

The forum exists to bring people together from all walks of life, everyone with different opinions, views. To allow free speech in an open and productive way (baring obvious unacceptable abuse). What grounds should it be closed on? If you don't want to contribute, don't. Let it run its course and use all this emotional energy to positively look after yourself. More importantly, perhaps consider why the thread is where it is right now.

With this and my previous post, I am bound to be Mr Bad Guy but sometimes you have to be honest.

J

 

[mysticjoz]

If you do care about fleur and the other ones that complain then make them stop depositing and help them get back to real life! Posting here doesn't help them in any way. It only makes you feel better, because you need to vent. Wrong opportunity, wrong place .

Have a nice day and stop gambling if you can't take the loss !

Umm.. excuse me??!!! I "need to vent" !! No I don't think so.. you do not know me at all. I have every right to post here just as you do. HOWEVER get your facts straight. I am showing genuine concern for a player. I do not deposit to 3dice. I am not "complaining" about losing. I can not believe you all are turning this completely around.

Yes, Fleur needs help.. OUR help and we as forum members should be here for her. Her thread is "a shoulder to cry on" IF you are not that shoulder than I think it is YOU who is posting in the wrong place.

 

[BingoT]

I did not play much in 3 Dice as of lately (was low on funds), and finally decided to give it another try today, to see if my lousy luck has changed for the better.
Alas... I do not know what I want to do more - to kill Enzo or to kill myself 4 deposits, totalling of EUR1700 gone in about an hour. Here are the stats I requested and received:

Game In Out Bets Average Bets Percentage
Poker_new 471 417 269 1.75 88.61%
FortuneFalls 3123 1769 811 3.85 56.66%
BlackJack_Classic 1173 849 81 14.48 72.38%

It just hurts so bad....

All I can say is this
Just give her all the support she needs and drop it.
It's like the old saying.
Never kick a friend in the face when they are on the ground already.
If you have a friend like this offline would you give them this kinda support?
I don't think so.
We are all here to learn & Help others.
Not to kick them down a peg or two.

 

[poohbear164]

a true friend

you know if i had a gamling problem, and my friends saw me blaming everyone but me for what i was doing, i would hope to heck they would point it out instead of patting me on the shoulder and saying there, there. Sometimes the best friend u can be is a real one that tells the truth when you see it, instaed of crying over a casket saying i was there for them with pity and i don't know why they did it. real friends don't let other friends hurt themselves by doing something that isn't good for them.

like some other people here i will say this is just my opinion, thanks

 

[mysticjoz]

real friends don't let other friends hurt themselves by doing something that isn't good for them.
like some other people here i will say this is just my opinion, thanks

No reason to attack anyone here, as I am sure we all know who you are referring to and personally it doesn't bother me one bit because .. if you re-read your own post, you might realize that I am only trying to point out exactly just that. I don't think that Enzo is doing her any good by continuing to give her hope (bonuses, freebies, comps, whatever), IMO it appears to be false hope.
You are all so quick to point out her problem, so why are they so eager to feed it?!!
I currently have NO beef of my own with 3dice.. period.
We are all supposed to be here to support each other. God Forbid the name 3dice comes up in any thread lately because every single time it turns into a battleground and it should not.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Rather than give yet another consolation bonus, Enzo should restrict her deposit limits to prevent any further chasing bahaviour.

Many online casinos have the option to give players a 6 month account suspension. Once requested, the reputable ones will not give in to pleadings from the player to end the suspension early. This will give the player a 6 month "compulsory" break once they have summoned up the will to request this.

When a losing session "really hurts", vent off by asking support for a 6 month suspension. This falls short of asking for a permanent ban, and would be easier for a gambler to steel themselves to do, without feeling they are making a "forever" decision.

Another way to control problem gambling is to close off easy deposit methods, especially credit cards, where gambling can be done with funds you do not (yet) have. Mastercard is a good option, many gambling deposits will be blocked. It may be possible to ask the bank to put a block on gambling deposits on cards that are being used.

With brakes placed on deposit options, when the urge to chase comes again, it will be impossible to deposit such large amounts.

Not being able to confide in family members is a serious concern. Many of us NEED the support of family in such times, and if this is lacking we will turn our feelings inwards, where they can fester, and do damage. Being stuck in a foreign country (or even a new city in your own) with few or no friends means that gambling becomes even more attractive as a pastime - it can be done alone, and is even BEST done alone.

I have been open with my family, my gambling is NOT secret, thus I can discuss it with them should the need arise. My card issuers know that I use my cards for gambling, when they have asked about transactions that get caught up in their anti-fraud filters, I tell them it was a gambling transaction, and the casino used a different processor to their usual one.

Naturally, my family do not approve of gambling (except my dad, where I got the gambling gene from), but it wont come as a shock to them if I have to mention it to them.
Fleur probably has a worry that asking her husband for help will mean revealing a shameful secret, and that far from helping, it will start a big row, and make things even worse.

I have been bitten by the "chase" bug a few times, and when it goes wrong I feel bad - I know I shouldn't have done it. Usually, the result is that I give back far too much of a big win in an inefficient manner, and then find that I cannot take advantage of good promotions shortly after, which limits my chances winning again with better odds.

When I first started playing online, I had a mind-blowing 20K win one day. I was on a high, and blew the bloody lot the following day trying to make it 40K. Even when I had a 10K recovery, I failed to stop there and lose only 10K of my win, I kept going hoping to at least get back to the 20K starting point, and this was the SECOND big mistake of that week.

The underlying error was to leave sums such as 20K sitting around in my Neteller account after they had been received. Had I withdrawn most of it, it would have spent the best part of 2 weeks in limbo (unavailable for use in online casinos), by which time I would no longer be on a high from the win.

Chasing after a loss is similar. The feeling is of needing to at least get back to the starting point, but each attempt to do so that fails makes it even LESS likely that further attempts will succeed, yet you have to try, and keep on trying while you can. Unlike losing winnings, this is worse, as the loss is YOUR money, rather than losing something you didn't expect to have in the first place.

The convenience of online casinos makes it far more likely that a problem gambler will give in to chasing than where they have to travel to a land casino, and gamble with "real" banknotes.

I feel the effects of this myself. Dropping 100 into a Fruit Machine feels like a bigger loss than dropping 100 in an online casino. This is because I am inserting REAL notes into the machine, and seeing REAL 1 coins circulate with the ups and downs of the session. Online, it's just a number, and loses it's impact. The same with winnings. I once won 500 from one of the UK random slots, and it felt "good" due to having to handle 500 coins - they were heavy. The sense of achievement was greater that winning 500 at an online casino, and thus such a win was more satisfying, making it easier to decide I had had enough for the evening.

As for 3Dice - it's 50 every month for me, and hope to hit big with slot bets of around 1 per spin as they are higher variance than most others. I did indeed hit big one month, ending up 100 ahead overall, which it took them 2 months to get back

 

[babs7262]

I know it wont matter what I say but this post is for Fleur and others who cannot afford to lose. If this was a club world post, I still would say the same thing:

First: I do feel bad that Fleur had such a bad run of luck. It does suck and those stats were terrible. I honestly hope you recover from this.

Second: Sometimes you will get support and sometimes you will get people who go bonkers from passion (ive been there myself)when they are also losing and then you will get realists who give an objective. Thats the way a forum works. If we all had the same opinion noone would ask for one on here

Third: Enzo also felt bad about her stats and gave her a bonus because thats what he does for ppl who have a bad run. He wanted to give her a chance to win some back. THe problem here is this: Going for the gold is the riskiest way of gambling of all time. People will win $80 on a 30 cent bet and say to themselves "omg, just think what ill win if i bet $4" It doesnt work that way. It never will work that way and if you do hit a big win, its only making up for the all the losing spins you just did.

Fourth: Gambling is a category in the "entertainment" field all over the world. ITs not listed in Monster.com under jobs. If you cannot afford to lose then you shouldnt gamble. WHy in the world she went back and made another deposit after that huge loss is beyond me because that means after she had that loss , she must of lost enzo's bonus and then she deposited again? Her husband thinks she stopped gambling which tells me she had a problem to begin with.

Fifth: THe swearing on this thread was totally uncalled for. I hope the ban on kakata and inspin arent for long but if Max didnt stick to rules on unnecessary foul language then this site would be filled with bad language. I dont personally think I would of banned them but Bryan has enough going on in his life and Max had to make the call and we must respect that. Things might of been different if Bryan was here but Max is playing it safe.

Sixth: You all get mad when reps dont come on here and hide or not answer emails fast enough. You know what? I dont think Enzo answered any of mine and we are pretty close as far as customer/casino rep can get. The man is running a casino and has thousands of customers. I just go on chat to catch up with him. Infact, I always say in my email "you dont have to answer, I just wanted to let you know blah blah blah" SOme of you are biting your nose to spite your face. Heck, If I was getting bashed left and right, I wouldnt come on here to help. I would focus on the forums or customers that are treating me fair.

Seventh: Ive had nothing but crap luck in RTG and stopped playing MG months ago, do I come on here and bash them or bash reps? Hell, even when I had that fiasco in Oct I remained friendly with the rep of that casino. He doesnt run the machines, he runs the casino

Finally: FLeur, I truly am sorry for the loss you took and I honestly hope that you can reflect and reach out for help wherever you are. You can recover. No matter what the vice is. Ive been there and recovered myself. I spend alot of time alone and it gets very easy to start depositing when you shouldnt to fill that void when noone is around. I know your intentions werent to start this mess. Its a shame you just couldnt vent and I wish it would of just ended after the first page when Mystic and Kakata tried to give you comfort in your time of need.

Everyone: If you dont like results than move on and stop blaming everyone else for your problems or losses. It becomes far from entertainment when you spend most of your time complaining and blaming the wrong people. (this isnt meant for you fleur). I wouldnt blame enzo one bit if he never came back here again

You dont blame the dealer for your drug problems or the bar for you drinking problems or macDonald for your obesity, stop blaming casinos for your gambling problems

 

[BingoT]

It's like an alcoholic.
The owner of the liquor store knows you well & that they know you have a drinking problem.
As the owner says "Hey here is a free bottle of the best booze just because your such a great customer" To that alcoholic. they think to mind "Oh what a great place" And after that bottle what do you think they will do.Come into that store and buy something over & over again.
You bait someone they will love you forever.

 

[classymom]

Fluer is looking for a shoulder to cry on , to vent her frustration - I for one can relate to her problems and I'm sure there are a lot of us gamblers out there that have played long after they should have stopped. I don't really think she intended to make this a 3 Dice did me wrong. I think sometimes when luck goes south it will be that way no matter where your playing. I think what Laurie said about setting limits is the best advice, only Fluer knows her limits and can make her own decisions. Fluer, I just want you to know there is another shoulder here for you..

 

[anniemac]

Fleur,

I am not going to condemn or console, however, if you would like to talk to someone when you feel so alone, PM me and I will give you my email and we will talk. Doesn't have to be about gambling but I will help you if I can.

I am trying to cut loose from the online gambling habit and I am making some headway. I'm down to three casinos and for me that's a biggy. I am trying to get back to the things that I like to do that have nothing to do with gambling. Each day I have to set goals. Like today, I'm not going to spend any money online. If I make it through, then the next day is easier.

I know what it feels like to be alone with no one to talk to. I don't know how long you have lived where you are now but I will give you the same advice I gave my son when he was stationed in Japan and called home so homesick he was crying, plus his fiancee dumped him when he left. I told him to go off base and just look around and think about where he was. Get out and look around. Make it an adventure and you can do it by yourself. Enjoy the local culture. Make friends with local people. Above all, get outside. How about the local library? Get a job, if you're not already working or do volunteer work. My son went to street fairs, ate octopus on a stick, went camping and saw monkeys in a temple. Pretty good for a kid from Overton, Texas.

I think you get my idea. Your life is what YOU want to make it. If you don't like it, change it. A baby step is a baby step. One day at a time but it is up to you.

 

[Simmo!]

Thread closed as per OP's request.