Official 123 BOOM! (96.44% RTP) by 4ThePlayer.com (official thread)

DreamRJ

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We are committed to being open and responding to our players. We understand that you had a very unlucky run on this game and that us answering your questions will not undo this or change your opinion on it or it's mechanics. We, however, hope that you appreciate our commitment to try and answer all players and will try our future games with an open mind. We try to create innovative never seen before mechanics in all our games which naturally means some players will not like them.

Regards Max Win you spotted the typo in our video - the correct value is as stated in-game 14,827X bet.

The game pays and explodes the highest win in view as stated at the start of the game, in the paytable and help file, we are completely upfront about this. It will continue paying and sliding until no wins remain. A big design choice behind this was to have a larger sequence of wins which enables far larger multipliers in the bonus feature than ever possible if we paid all wins together.

As we pay, slide, pay, slide ... the remaining symbols get rearranged on the reels. Often smaller wins that were originally spun in, but not paid before the slide, will payout after the slide without disruption. Sometimes as you pointed out these wins are broken, but also and equally often, the small win is far improved with more symbols adding to the win from the slide to make it pay more e.g. an original 3 of a kind becomes 4 of a kind or 5 of a kind.

When we built this mechanic we tested various options, and although we appreciate you will have to take our word on this the improvements to pay outweigh the broken wins. We do understand that this won't change your opinion so if you or anyone reading this thread are interested we would be happy, to run past you early beta math/mechanic prototype versions of our upcoming games so that you can feedback on any of the upcoming innovations. Please contact us via the contact form on our website, and we'll respond to you quickly.

I will certainly love to help you out with feedback, if I had access to your beta games :)

I do have access to pragmatic play slots before they get released too via pragmatics client hub :)

I also used to have access to Net Ent too, but they revoked everyones access when they re did their website and it now means you have to provide proof of what part of the casino business your in before they grant you access.

I mean look, I like your slots as a whole. Like the 9K Yeti one is my fav one you have made so far....... I have no issues with you or your strategy. It is nice to get new mechanics and new types of slots........ Your slots are also very nice in terms of graphics. Hence why I did not even complain about the graphics side of your slots and never will either :)

Let me know if you would like to let me beta test your upcoming slots either in this thread or via PM :)

Thanks again for your detailed reply and take care :)

EDIT: Final thing I wanted to say......... You make your slots have RTP's of 96 or higher. Good........ Please please I hope you never create your slots so that casinos can choose a few different RTP % for their casino when they acquire a license. In other words just make your slots have 1 RTP for all casinos they get hosted in please :) Also would be great if you can keep the RTP around 96 for all future slots too, dropping below 96 will be getting painful........
 
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4ThePlayer

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EDIT: Final thing I wanted to say......... You make your slots have RTP's of 96 or higher. Good........ Please please I hope you never create your slots so that casinos can choose a few different RTP % for their casino when they acquire a license. In other words just make your slots have 1 RTP for all casinos they get hosted in please :) Also would be great if you can keep the RTP around 96 for all future slots too, dropping below 96 will be getting painful........

We hear you and glad you noticed the RTP's - all our games are above industry average, our 100 Bit Dice game even goes up to 99%! We only release one version of the game with one RTP ;) We are 4 The Player!

Have just PM'd you have a great weekend!
 

Gaz237

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The slot is dreadful, I tried it numerous sessions....... It was hard to get the feature and when I did, it gives 3 spin wild drops onto the wheels and pays absolutely dreadful, I had 5 features on it in total each one paid below 10X......... As for that 14,727 x bet! you stated it can pay upto. I find totally undoable when the 5 features I had all paid under 10X.......... I will not be playing it again...........

Also I noticed you even got the total wrong for max win, in the video you posted in the @OP it states 14,827X bet as max win.

Then I will be more of a critic too. I noticed that when you have multiple 3 of a kind or 4 or 5 of a kinds in 1 spin, it only pays 1 of them and not all of them before the reels slide......... That alone made me angry and totally felt cheated of wins........ Sorry but I stand by what I said, dreadful slot.
And you failed to even reply to the other parts of my above post as well........ I am still waiting for the answer as to why you chose to make it only pay 1 winning combination even though there is multiple 3,4,5 wins in 1 spin before it slides. It always only pays 1 of them before it slides. Sometimes it also then slides the winning combination into a non winning position too. Which again is a cheat and cheats you out of an extra win....... So I really hate the slot, it is bad............

How old are you?.

You act like a spoilt 12 year old stamping their feet because you didn't get your own way.

If you had won, it would be a great game, cause you lost you come on hear and just be damn rude to the casino rep, and demanding answers.

Giving feedback is one thing, hurling abuse in another, more so after just 5 bonus rounds.

Have a word with yourself.

Just my 2 cents:thumbsup:
 

DreamRJ

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How old are you?.

You act like a spoilt 12 year old stamping their feet because you didn't get your own way.

If you had won, it would be a great game, cause you lost you come on hear and just be damn rude to the casino rep, and demanding answers.

Giving feedback is one thing, hurling abuse in another, more so after just 5 bonus rounds.

Have a word with yourself.

Just my 2 cents:thumbsup:

I have had you on my ignore list for years because you have always been out to attack me on this forum and still to this day carry on and find anything in my posts you want to find for your own reasons to just attack me.

I was not once rude or hurling any type of abuse towards 4theplayer what so ever. Moreso you are the one that needs to have words with yourself. I will not be having it any longer. Feel free to reply again and post more abuse towards me for this reply. I have already reported you over and over and over again over the years but yet you always get away with attacking me............ @Casinomeister I tagged Brian so he can come and take a look because I am sick of this now and this has to stop.

You have had a vendetta against me in CM for years and to this day without fail you always seem to find something in any of my posts I write to have a dig or do a snide comment or attack me personally....... Brian made a thread about Things that need improving. Well Brian, one thing that needs improving is the rules on bullying and attacking other members and actions that need to be taken when these users continue their own personal vendettas against other members..........

Thanks :)
 

Oscar Arnhem

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Jan 15, 2017
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Just played this game

637 spins,NO bonus

Biggest win 27x

RTP 66.2%

edit
928 Spins

1x bonus(198x)

Rtp 91.98%
 
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aceking123

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Yer I found it lacking to be honest. I didn't hit the bonus, gave it few hundred spin, considering the rtp% you would think it wouldn't demolish your bank roll, but this does give another go at some point.
 

4ThePlayer

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4ThePlayer

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We hope you all have a Merry Christmas and a Winning 2021 - from all of us at 4ThePlayer.com and remember please gamble responsibly!

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curremon

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Same here... gave around 500 spins and cant hit even 10x.. Biggest problem is that when you get 2 bonus symbols There is never win with same spin so chances of getting bonus seems like fucking zero... Bad game
 

bamberfishcake

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Must admit i had a brief spell because of budget and was not impressed either.

I did hit 1LeftAlive straight after and got a x100ish pretty quickly.

Ill try 123 Boom again but it will have to work hard :)
 

pinnit2014

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Same as Bamber - gave it quite a few sessions as well, maybe was bad luck, but left unimpressed: the amount of 3-15x bonus rounds wins was mental. Yeah we get them in other games (a la B) but when you have 80% of your bonus rounds hitting 3-15x, you just can't load the game again.

Best bonus round win, across maybe 40?, was 80x. Into IGT territory.
 

curremon

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Same as Bamber - gave it quite a few sessions as well, maybe was bad luck, but left unimpressed: the amount of 3-15x bonus rounds wins was mental. Yeah we get them in other games (a la B) but when you have 80% of your bonus rounds hitting 3-15x, you just can't load the game again.

Best bonus round win, across maybe 40?, was 80x. Into IGT territory.

And add there that basegame is nonexistent... Nothing can be won there.
 

4ThePlayer

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We're sorry to hear about the recent runs of bad luck. At 4ThePlayer, we are committed to being transparent and engaging with our players about the chances in our games and we provide more stats on our games than any other supplier (that we know of). We provide the following statistics in our help files for all our games (the following are from 123 BOOM!):

Bonus Frequency: 1 in 203 spins

Average best win after 100 spins:
All players - 40x bet
1 in 10 players - 165x bet
1 in 100 players - 409x bet
1 in 1000 players - 810x bet

This can be read as follows: if 10 players all played 100 spins and logged their best win over those 100 spins, then statistically we'd expect the average best win of all 10 players to be 40x bet. 1 of the 10 players we'd expect to get a 165x bet best win (again, statistically speaking).

To give you some context over your bad runs of luck:

Over 500 spins, we'd expect the average best win for all players to be 115x. We'd expect from 1076 players that only 1 player would not hit 10x or above over 500 spins, so you definitely had a very bad run of luck.

Regards the bonus, the average payout for a bonus spin is 60x bet. Over 40 bonus triggers, the chance of getting only 1 bonus win of 80x or over is 1 in 2188; that is, from 2188 players we'd expect 2187 would all get more than 1 bonus over 80x. The luckiest player out of those 2188 players could expect to get a 2203x bet bonus spin.

We hope that the above highlights how unlucky you both were. We also appreciate that all games do not appeal to all players; this game is a medium-high volatility game with a bonus frequency of 1 in 203 spins. If you would like bigger wins in the base game, you can try 9k Yeti, which is our highest volatility game. If you would like bigger bonus wins, 2 Gods Zeus Vs Thor has a 67x bet average bonus win with a bonus hit frequency of 1 in 185 spins.

Finally, we are always interested in feedback on maths models! We are developing a maths beta program for upcoming games, where we are inviting players to feed back on our latest maths models. If you are interested in helping us with this, then please feel free to send us a private message.
 

curremon

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Shit and abuse like this is not appropriate, please find a less offensive way to say what you want to say.
We're sorry to hear about the recent runs of bad luck. At 4ThePlayer, we are committed to being transparent and engaging with our players about the chances in our games and we provide more stats on our games than any other supplier (that we know of). We provide the following statistics in our help files for all our games (the following are from 123 BOOM!):

Bonus Frequency: 1 in 203 spins

Average best win after 100 spins:
All players - 40x bet
1 in 10 players - 165x bet
1 in 100 players - 409x bet
1 in 1000 players - 810x bet

This can be read as follows: if 10 players all played 100 spins and logged their best win over those 100 spins, then statistically we'd expect the average best win of all 10 players to be 40x bet. 1 of the 10 players we'd expect to get a 165x bet best win (again, statistically speaking).

To give you some context over your bad runs of luck:

Over 500 spins, we'd expect the average best win for all players to be 115x. We'd expect from 1076 players that only 1 player would not hit 10x or above over 500 spins, so you definitely had a very bad run of luck.

Regards the bonus, the average payout for a bonus spin is 60x bet. Over 40 bonus triggers, the chance of getting only 1 bonus win of 80x or over is 1 in 2188; that is, from 2188 players we'd expect 2187 would all get more than 1 bonus over 80x. The luckiest player out of those 2188 players could expect to get a 2203x bet bonus spin.

We hope that the above highlights how unlucky you both were. We also appreciate that all games do not appeal to all players; this game is a medium-high volatility game with a bonus frequency of 1 in 203 spins. If you would like bigger wins in the base game, you can try 9k Yeti, which is our highest volatility game. If you would like bigger bonus wins, 2 Gods Zeus Vs Thor has a 67x bet average bonus win with a bonus hit frequency of 1 in 185 spins.

Finally, we are always interested in feedback on maths models! We are developing a maths beta program for upcoming games, where we are inviting players to feed back on our latest maths models. If you are interested in helping us with this, then please feel free to send us a private message.

Bonus Frequency: 1 in 203 spins ... Either there is on 0 missing or you are full of shit... ive done now 1290 spins without feature.. So yeah i must be really unlucky... And still waiting to see actual win from that game...

And what i find really fucking annoying it gives you 2 bonus symbols without connections and it tends to do that twice in a row.. then all bonus symbols go missing again... My best one was i got 2 bonus symbols and it gave me 7 wins on that same spin and still didnt hit 3rd bonus symbol.. and thats actually only real tease in allmost 1300 spins.. NEVER AGAIN
 

4ThePlayer

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Bonus Frequency: 1 in 203 spins ... Either there is on 0 missing or you are full of shit... ive done now 1290 spins without feature.. So yeah i must be really unlucky... And still waiting to see actual win from that game...

And what i find really fucking annoying it gives you 2 bonus symbols without connections and it tends to do that twice in a row.. then all bonus symbols go missing again... My best one was i got 2 bonus symbols and it gave me 7 wins on that same spin and still didnt hit 3rd bonus symbol.. and thats actually only real tease in allmost 1300 spins.. NEVER AGAIN

Sorry to hear about the continued bad luck. Our help files must pass compliance, and regulations state that we have an independent body check our math and run simulations to verify the game engine. They certify that the statistic 1 in 203 is correct; just to highlight, this is less than half some of the top titles out there now. The difference is we share the stat!

If you are interested the chance of having 1290 spins without a feature is 1 in 573. Sorry if this is not helpful!

Regards scatters: as in the majority of slot games, they reduce the chance of other wins occurring by taking up space on the reels. The reels run fairly and the chance of triggering a bonus from 2 scatters with a 3rd coming in after a cascade is completely fair based on the layout of the reel strips.

For a future cascading game, we are investigating making scatters wild: this means that they will assist in creating wins when they land. Thanks for your feedback it has been useful to us.
 
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